Mike Rob Cut?!!!

[ImTheScientist]

The thing is, having a good running game really really helps a QB.

Russell is a very very good QB, but he did have help in having a good running game that kept the defense off balance and since our line has issues with pass blocking - having a solid running game meant we could wear down the defensive line so that when they did have to rush the passer they had a lot less energy and speed left.

While true, Wilson is what helped the run game go to the next level. The read zone took it there. What was the difference between 2011 and 2012? Wilson instead of TJax.

 

[niveky]

The thing is, having a good running game really really helps a QB.

Russell is a very very good QB, but he did have help in having a good running game that kept the defense off balance and since our line has issues with pass blocking - having a solid running game meant we could wear down the defensive line so that when they did have to rush the passer they had a lot less energy and speed left.

The idea that just because we have a good QB we don't need the running game is dangerous. How effective is the play action going to be if teams can stuff the run?

My solace is that maybe we still can keep Robinson, we just have to resign him at a lower salary if nobody else signs him. But if we keep the current substandard FB crop I can assure you that Wilson is going to find his numbers and effectiveness impacted. If nothing else because the pass blocking problems are going to be much more obvious with much less focus needing to be put on the run.

I don't recall that there has ever been an indication that Pete and John have ever stated or felt that the Seahawks don't need a running game. Everything about this move is purely conjecture until we see the offense on the field.

 

[ImTheScientist]

A truly bad decision. I trust JSPC same as anyone but I cant agree with this. Unless his sickness was ruling him out for the season or something. His role im our running game was massive, there is no denying that fact.

He was in on 31% of plays last season. Personally I do not consider that massive. I liked Mike Rob, loved the RRR.... but this move doesn't kill the run game. We will be top 3 in the league this year. Actually a healthy Carp will have more impact than Mike Rob would have we kept him.

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

I get it, I hate it, but most of all I am fearful of what this move does to Lynch's production. I can only assume that with all the young backfield talent now in place, they are planning for a future post-beast mode. Is this more "Harvin-centric"than it appears? Because right now it would seem that they are putting a lot of emphasis on what this team will look like built around Percy. That he has yet to take the field in a game concerns me greatly!

I will miss you Mrob!

 

[kobebryant]

Trading a CB for Marcel Reese? Pure speculation, but Oakland had to have been drooling over the Hawks 4th,5th and 6th CBs (though I wouldn't trade Thurm).

 

[Zowert]

Weeden's eyes are too close together...

 

[MysterMatt]

Harper over Robinson? You gots to be kidding me.

My thoughts exactly. I'm beyond stunned and disappointed. I just don't see jape this helps the team in any substantial way.

 

[olyfan63]

As much as it sucks to lose MRob and all he means to the fans, I think this turns out to be one of the smarter PC/JS moves when all is said and done.
Letting Lofa Tatupu walk, rather than overpay him, was one of the smartest things PC/JS ever did. It always sucks to lose a fan favorite. (Josh Wilson was another example) Kudos to PC/JS for sticking with their program, even when the fanbase disapproves. Remember, that trait of PC/JS of sticking with their program is why Wilson is our QB and Flynn is pouting on another team's sideline. The PC/JS program is what will get us to the Super Bowl and hoisting the trophy, maybe more than once.

One part of the PC/JS program iis not to overpay talent that can be replaced, and to focus spending on irreplaceable "difference-maker" talent. (And why Sidney Rice is most like gone next year)

I do hope they pick up MRob in week 2 for a better deal, but we'll see. I'm sure they're prepared for either scenario.

Hell, of course Sidney Rice figures into all this. I think they want to keep Harper. (And Stephen Williams) If we can ditch Rice and his $11M next year (or massively restructure) and still have a solid receiving corps, we can more easily keep Sherm, ET, and other unique difference-makers.

 

[dbsn2420]

I'll miss the RRR, but I'm more concerned with Pass Pro and lead blocking for the Beast. I'm not as confident with Ware or Coleman until they can proove it. I understand the move, I don't like it, and I think it will have an effect on the running game for the first few games. One thing is certain, this will not be the only tough cut we see. Who's next?

 

[hox]

We will miss your physical style MikeRob.

[youtube]5Ic5S-Bkpms[/youtube]

These highlights don't even include the Ray Lewis pancake block

 

[MysterMatt]

Anyone down to riot with me?

Meet me at the Seahawks Pro Shop at the stadium in one hour. Bring a bat.

I'm in.

 

[HawkFan72]

This sucks.

Special Teams Captain gone and no Real Rob Report.

Going into perhaps the most important season in team history.

Gonna miss Mike Rob. Wish he could be a part of this season.

 

[TwilightError]

He might have only played 30% of the snaps but how important were those snaps? How many TDs or other big plays? Not smart to underestimate MR on the field. Running game is a team effort. Its not just Marshawn being great. I sure hope they can pick him up for 1 year 1 M, and I can see it being possible because of his age.

 

[kigenzun]

Hate this brutal MRob move... but... oh well. Just picking up the pieces and moving on.
I can't do anything about it 'cept accept it now. (& Watch out Mack Strong, RealRob comin' for your job!)

Obviously, was as flabbergasted/incoherent as the rest earlier... now wondering at the FO's plans for an extra blocker in the running game.

Personally, JR Sweezy's ability to play Mr. "Marshawn's personal body Guard" aka Lead Blocking FB, H-Back or #2 pure blocking TE on 1st and 2nd downs intrigues me with possibilities. We've tried just about everybody else and the kitchen sink at FB, why not "The Sweeze"?
He'd be a crushing lead blocker for Marshawn Lynch IMO.

As far as short yardage, give the ball to Marshawn Lynch, (or Christine Michael) not Mike Rob. Duh.

Also,

I'm not buying he's coming back. I'm fully expecting Bevell and Cable to go all-in with; H-backs, flankers, shotgun formations with Tate/Lynch or Lynch/Michael.

Robinson was never a Cable type. And, a traditional FB isn't anywhere near the direction this team's going. I expect some funky shit...and its going to be awesome.

For example,
Rice Miller Okung Carpenter Unger Bailey Giacomini Tate
Wilson
Sweezy
Lynch

Besides, as soon as Percy Harvin is healed... there is no room for Mike Rob on the field.
Word.

 

[seatownboy]

Honestly as a Mrob fan hopefully he finds the best contract possible for him and his family. As a seahawks fan and not a seahawks players fan, I still find this a good move. If our run blocking was so stellar, lynch wouldn't have to gain so many yards after first contact in the first place. I don't think Mrobs contract fit in with the misdirection, playaction, and trap runs the hawks have game planned for this season. They don't have to line it up and smash it down your throat anymore. If you want to stack the box this season, you are going to get burned hard in the pass.

 

[HommyHawk]

Championship>RRR.....next man up!!!!!GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
p.s. in hindsight why would mrob let that rap about weed make it to final cut?
I guess snitches do get stiches......

 

[hawksman53]

worst move by the hawks in years!!!

 

[Hawkscanner]

After watching Coleman very closely this preseason, I hate this move. The downgrade from Robinson to Coleman in run blocking is a steep one. It does save a tiny bit of money, but overall I think the FO made a mistake. This move was penny wise, pound foolish, and it will be a detriment to our run offense. If that means Seattle is emphasizing the pass more this season, then okie-dokie, but otherwise, this is just a silly move. If they just wanted to save cash, there were smarter ways of doing it.

I can't understand the "thinking" here. He can't physically play for a couple more weeks minimum. He's lost weight/strength. Do you carry a guy his age at a normally 1 deep position if he's unable to play, sure if he's your starting QB but not the FB. This will also allow the Hawks to sign him to a better contract and it won't be fully guaranteed. This wasn't a "just save money move". Who knows, he may not reach the level of play that made him so valuable. He could be back in a couple weeks and blasting holes again for Marshawn. This move doesn't necessarily mean that Coleman will automatically be the FB week one. I trust these guys. They want to win.

We were going to carry Coleman anyway I'm sure. It's not outrageous to carry 5 RBs. No problems there. Also, you don't cut a very good player to save $2 million total in cap space because he's going to miss a game or two at the start of the year.

I think they felt Coleman was the future at FB anyway and that was the motivation here. Get Coleman reps now at FB full time and see if he can develop as a run blocker. I get it. But I still think it's unwise.

I'm with you and just about everyone else in thinking this is a bad move here. Now I know that the elite teams out there not only stockpile talent ... they also are masters at managing the cap (see the Raiders as an example of what can happen if you don't.) Still ... I can't help but feel that this has the potential to be a colossal mistake.

Schneider and company did the exact same thing last year with Kellen Winslow -- no one can look back at that move (and the subsequent signing of Evan Moore) now as anything but a salary dump. Do you really believe that Schneider, Carroll, and company honestly thought that Winslow for Moore was basically a wash ... and that they'd still be able to run all the 2 TE sets that they worked hard on installing all last offseason? No way they believed that ... and now we're seeing the exact same kind of move being made IMO with MRob. Don't tell me that Coleman can do as good a job at FB and opening up those holes for Marshawn right now as MRob did -- not buying that one.

Maybe MRob's injury situation was far worse than we generally know and that played a big part in this decision ... but to me, the Seahawks appear to have made this move based chiefly on fiscal responsibility. IMO, teams that are poised to make Super Bowl runs just don't make moves like this one. I sure hope I'm wrong and will eventually chow down on a big plate of crow with this one ... but at this moment, I'm not feeling good about this move at all.

 

[VegasSeahawkFan]

This just proves to me combined with when Michael was selected in the 2nd round, that they plan on using more two running back sets on the side of Wilson in shotgun. If they plan on going shotgun most the time then a full back won't be utilized too often. Tight ends as H-backs yes, but it is rare for a fullback to be needed when we go shotgun. Lynch, Michael and Turbin are all going to get lots of reps and Ware or Coleman will be needed for their pass catching (faster as well) ability. You could see how the offense evolved throughout last year. Wilson was in shotgun much more and our offense took off...

 

[scutterhawk]

I'll miss the Real Rob Report. Other then that, I'm perfectly fine with Coleman and Ware.

Throwdown's gonna cry though.

Coleman over Robinson??? W T F ?!?!?
Coleman blocks better than Robinson? This is a bad joke. :141847_bnono: