Mid-round project QBs we could draft

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Rourke's college career stats are impressive,
yards = 10,708
comp/att = 892/1285
% = 67.1
td/int = 79/5 29/0 this year in the Big Ten
sacks = 14

Thats five years in college.
I don't know about Rourke. I don't know where you're seeing that he had zero INTs, he had four, which is still good, but while he did play in the Big Ten, Indiana's conference schedule was an absolute joke. They didn't play Oregon or Penn State, the two teams that made the conference title game. Of the eight teams, not including Indiana themselves, that finished the season with a winning conference record, they only played TWO of them. One of those was Ohio State, where Rourke was 8/18 for 68 yards. The other was Michigan, where he was just so-so. Of his 29 TDs, six came against 11-loss Purdue who gave up 43.5 ppg against FBS schools. Two teams scored 66 on them, and the architect of that defense was just hired as UW's defensive coordinator. That might not be super relevant to this discussion, but I brought it up anyway because it's funny.

Anyway, 12 of those 29 TDs came against Purdue, Maryland, and Northwestern, who combined to go 3-24 in the conference. Then eight more came against Michigan State and UCLA, who both went 3-6 in conference and 5-7 overall. Basically everything he did against Notre Dame came against prevent defense when the game was basically over, and he offers very little as a runner. I'm skeptical on him.
 
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All very good points for sure. I didnt dive into where his numbers came from but have watched him a little. His stats were last updated 12/20 so the 4 int's must have came after that. He doesnt add much as a runner for sure but he does a typical QB frame and his arm is above average. Even with the 4int's added thats still 79/9 td/int ratio for his career. If he can take care of the ball and continue his growth as a QB i am not apposed to a project guy. I am sure we end up keeping Grubb and he may fit his style of play. Grubb doesnt really have designed runs for a QB and i think he may work out. Just food for thought in the later rounds, want to fix our line early or in free agency if we can.
 
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If there's someone they think is an exceptional talent, sure, draft him, but I really hope that the middle rounds of the draft isn't the plan to find out next franchise QB. Those third round and later guys have a shockingly poor hit rate, like well under 5%. Depending on that would be reckless and a great way to make sure the entire front office and coaching staff is unemployed within the next three years.

And since I've expressed this opinion on here before and am aware of what comes next: don't waste your time replying with a list of three or four of the ones who did hit out of the several hundred drafted, thinking it's some drop the mic moment. Believe it or, I actually HAVE heard of Russell Wilson and Tom Brady.

But yeah, Slick Willie Howard. We should pick him.
What are Montana and Wilson's hit rate?
 
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I live in SEC country… Dart is a bit of a headcase and makes boneheaded throws that will make you think of some of the throws that leave Geno’s hand at a critical moment. Not listed in this article but I’m a huge fan of Brady Cook at Missouri. Check out his tape. Mobility. Arm. Good decision making. And a value pick in a mid round.

 

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Rourke's college career stats are impressive,
yards = 10,708
comp/att = 892/1285
% = 67.1
td/int = 79/5 29/0 this year in the Big Ten
sacks = 14

Thats five years in college.
all College QB stats look good
 

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Dart seems to be getting a lot of buzz lately. He looks solid, so why is he only projected to be a "mid round" selection? If John likes him, he better not wait around too long because I get the feeling he's going to get drafted sooner than most experts think.
Maybe we snag him in the third after an OT and a LB and he leads us to a superbowl two years later. Stranger things have happened.
 

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I live in SEC country… Dart is a bit of a headcase and makes boneheaded throws that will make you think of some of the throws that leave Geno’s hand at a critical moment. Not listed in this article but I’m a huge fan of Brady Cook at Missouri. Check out his tape. Mobility. Arm. Good decision making. And a value pick in a mid round.


There is A LOT to like about him. I’d love to take a chance on him
 

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What are Montana and Wilson's hit rate?
Funny enough, both picks were owned by the Seahawks. We traded the Niners that pick as part of a trade up for a linebacker named Michael Jackson. I think we might have gotten it originally from Dallas though.

Anyway, in the 33 years from when Montana was drafted until Wilson was drafted, 38 quarterbacks were taken in the third round. Two of those were 38 were drafted by the Seahawks: Brock Huard in 1999 and David Greene in 2005. Another one of those QBs, Charlie Whitehurst, had taken just two snaps (both kneel downs) before the Seahawks traded for him.

According to Pro-Football-Reference's career AV (for reference, Russ' career AV is 179), the best five of those QBs were:

1. Chris Chandler (1998) - 103
The #1 by far, but just ten of those 103 AV points came with the team that drafted him. He got off to a decent start with the Colts, but after a knee injury cut his second season short, they drafted Jeff George and then sent Chandler to the Bucs for a first round pick. That pick ended up being very high (#2 overall) at least partially because Chandler was so bad. The Bucs cut him after he went 0-6 over two seasons, throwing 5 TDs to 14 INTs. He played for seven teams over 17 seasons, and made two Pro Bowls. His best season, by far, was in 1998 where he led the Falcons to the Super Bowl and compiled a 13-1 record. However, he had a winning record in just two of 17 seasons, and finished with a career mark of 67-85.

2. Matt Schaub (2005) - 79
Never won a game for the team that drafted him (Falcons), but showed enough in mop-up duty for Mike Vick to get traded to the Texans for two second-round picks. In 16 NFL seasons, he went 47-46 as a starter and made two Pro Bowls. Won more than seven games in a season just twice. He made the playoffs just once, going 1-1 for the Texans in 2012.

3. Neil O'Donnell (1991) - 73
Had a 55-45 record over 13 seasons, making the Pro Bowl once. Led the Steelers to the Super Bowl in 1995, throwing 3 INTs in a 27-17 loss to the Cowboys. Was a backup for the Titans on their 1999 Super Bowl team that finished one yard short, but he did not play in any of their four playoff games.

4. Jay Schroeder (1985) - 71
Very good career record at 61-38, although those Redskins teams he spent his first three seasons with were stacked. Got benched for Doug Williams and became known as a bit of a locker room cancer. Had a 3-2 career playoff record but completed just 45% of his passes in those five games, throwing 5 TDs to 8 INTs and never reaching 200 yards in any of them. Made one Pro Bowl.

5. Jeff Hostetler (1985) - 65
Interestingly, in the ten seasons where he had at least one start, he had a winning record in all of them, although it was a difference of more than two in just eight of those, and he hit double digits just once, going 10-5 for the 1993 Raiders. The only Super Bowl winner on this list, he replaced an injured Phil Simms in 1990 and led the Giants to a championship win over the Bills in the "wide-right" game. Hostetler was not asked to do a lot in the playoffs, throwing for 112, 176, and 222 yards respectively with just three TDs, but did not throw any INTs. Another one-time Pro Bowler, he threw for more than 14 TDs just twice, with a high of 23 for the 1996 Raiders.

Other Notables: Bubby Brister, Brian Griese, Frank Reich, Colt McCoy, Josh McCown, Hugh Millen

Looks like there was not a single All-Pro season among those 38 quarterbacks. There was one Super Bowl victory, with two others making it and losing.

Tough round to find a franchise starter.
 
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I really hope they don’t waste a mid-round pick on a QB this year.

Take Tommy Mellot as your last pick, or as a UDFA.

Spend our picks on the trenches and a replacement for Woolen.

Let Geno play out his contract.

Look to next year’s draft for a young stud, and trade up then if we need to.
 

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Rourke played all season on a torn ACL. This was the second tear of the same ACL.

 

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Rourke played all season on a torn ACL. This was the second tear of the same ACL.

Hadnt heard about the torn acl. That would make a little nervous. I will have to check out Brady Cook.
 

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Hadnt heard about the torn acl. That would make a little nervous. I will have to check out Brady Cook.
If he's playing with a torn ACL, I'm questioning his decision making abilities. Respect his determination and dedication but his risking his future career for college football games is not the wisest move.
 

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We shouldnt be picking anyone who is already seen to be slow at processong reads. Unless you are a limp noodle of an athlete, if you understand xs and os and can decipher coverages quickly, you can contribute.

Brock Purdy is a great example.
Bo Nix is another heady QB who is doing well.
Matt Hasselbeck was heady.
Dave Kreig was as well. Both had solid careers for us.

Tom Brady is probably the best example and he was about as close to a noodle of an athlete (good arm) as you can get.

I dont want us taking some dude who's profile reads - has a tendency to miss reads, plays in a simplified passing offense, or locks on to wr's.
 

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We shouldnt be picking anyone who is already seen to be slow at processong reads. Unless you are a limp noodle of an athlete, if you understand xs and os and can decipher coverages quickly, you can contribute.

Brock Purdy is a great example.
Bo Nix is another heady QB who is doing well.
Matt Hasselbeck was heady.
Dave Kreig was as well. Both had solid careers for us.

Tom Brady is probably the best example and he was about as close to a noodle of an athlete (good arm) as you can get.

I dont want us taking some dude who's profile reads - has a tendency to miss reads, plays in a simplified passing offense, or locks on to wr's.
This is one reason why I’m advocating to give Mellott a chance. He’s one of the smartest dudes to ever take the field, plus he’s probably the best all around athlete in FCS.

The knock on him will be his height and weight, and, of course, the fact that he played in the FCS.

Even if he doesn’t pan out at QB 1, he can likely transition to a Taysom Hill type role. (Assuming we have an OC who knows what to do with a Taysom Hill)
 

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This is one reason why I’m advocating to give Mellott a chance. He’s one of the smartest dudes to ever take the field, plus he’s probably the best all around athlete in FCS.

The knock on him will be his height and weight, and, of course, the fact that he played in the FCS.

Even if he doesn’t pan out at QB 1, he can likely transition to a Taysom Hill type role. (Assuming we have an OC who knows what to do with a Taysom Hill)
At first glance, Mellott is a guy that might be worth burning a 6th or 7th on opposed to gambling on him signing as an UDFA. JS has been reluctant to carry three QB's but I think it may be time to expand our search and the urgency of it.
 

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We shouldnt be picking anyone who is already seen to be slow at processong reads. Unless you are a limp noodle of an athlete, if you understand xs and os and can decipher coverages quickly, you can contribute.

Brock Purdy is a great example.
Bo Nix is another heady QB who is doing well.
Matt Hasselbeck was heady.
Dave Kreig was as well. Both had solid careers for us.

Tom Brady is probably the best example and he was about as close to a noodle of an athlete (good arm) as you can get.

I dont want us taking some dude who's profile reads - has a tendency to miss reads, plays in a simplified passing offense, or locks on to wr's.
Purdy was a fine athlete with a plus arm. He fell more because he was crazy inconsistent in college. He was getting first or second round hype earlier in his college career.

I don't think teams even care all that much about the "simplified passing offense" thing anymore after it caused Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers, among others, to drop further than they had any business going. Even the "easy" college offenses have a lot more in common with pro offenses than they used to.

If you're looking for guys like Colt McCoy, they're available in nearly in every draft. The vast majority of them flame out as starters. You're lucky if the one you draft is the next Garnder Minshew.

We really shouldn't be going to one extreme or the other with the "tools vs brains" thing. The guys who are good with both don't fall to the mid rounds, so you have to sacrifice somewhere, but it's not a good idea to prioritize one significantly over the other. Hell, we shouldn't be looking to the mid to late rounds for future starter regardless.
 

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At first glance, Mellott is a guy that might be worth burning a 6th or 7th on opposed to gambling on him signing as an UDFA. JS has been reluctant to carry three QB's but I think it may be time to expand our search and the urgency of it.
I’ve advocated for three FCS players to be drafted, Cooper Cupp, Troy Anderson, and now Tommy Mellott. If he wins the championship, I think he will need to be a late round draft pick. If not, he might slip under the radar.

He is, by far, the riskiest of the three, but man he really is a hell of a player, and I think he is worth the gamble.
 

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Starting to hear rumors that there are some GMs who don't see Sanders as a first round pick.
 

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Starting to hear rumors that there are some GMs who don't see Sanders as a first round pick.
Those GMs should lose their jobs immediately. Shedeur doesn't get enough credit considering how AWFUL his oline was.
 

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