Michael Bennet fines

[Blitzer88]

Thats bullcrap.........horrible horrible fine.

 

[amill87]

Lol you'd all be pissed and demanding a fine if it happened to Wilson.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe, just maybe Bennett did contact Ryan's knees? The league is usually pretty solid when it comes to getting it right for fines (the amount is a different story).

I still don't know why Seahawk fans are so bothered by this one hit.

Did you watch the Rams game?

Nope. I actually don't watch Seahawk games. I prefer to be like the league and just make stuff up out of thin air because I'm bored.

Let's not forget who runs this league and it sure as hell isn't Roger. Now where does a huge chunk of money go? To the quarterbacks. The owners want their investment protected and due to weird stances a quarterback can be in while throwing and that unlike almost every other player on the field, the quarterback is not exclusively focusing on the player directly in front of them, the owners wanted a rule to protect their knees.

They drew a hard line with the rule and it's pretty clear. You contact the QB's knees you will be penalized and fined. Period. Bennett contacted Ryan's knees and drug him down by his ankles. It's pretty simple really.

But hey, we can just pretend that the guys who look at all these penalties are completely incompetent and want the league to burn.

 

[Zybot]

I didn't think the hit was fine worthy or even flag worthy, but I can possibly see the league's point if at the same time Bennet grabs Ryan by the ankles another player hits the QB middle or high. That could easily be an injury waiting to happen. Maybe that's why the league decided to fine him? Set an example that you can't even go for a QB's ankles now even if the "hit" is innocuous? Still, if I am Bennet, I would feel like the league is stealing money from me for no reason.

 

[ivotuk]

Lol you'd all be pissed and demanding a fine if it happened to Wilson.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe, just maybe Bennett did contact Ryan's knees? The league is usually pretty solid when it comes to getting it right for fines (the amount is a different story).

I still don't know why Seahawk fans are so bothered by this one hit.

You would be wrong on that one. Bennett went to the ground as a result of the blocking, he did not lunge and wrapped his arms around the ankles. There was just enough of what appeared to be a lunge to throw the flag, but the fine is uncalled for. I'm sure Michael will win on appeal.

 

[Hawks46]

Lol you'd all be pissed and demanding a fine if it happened to Wilson.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe, just maybe Bennett did contact Ryan's knees? The league is usually pretty solid when it comes to getting it right for fines (the amount is a different story).

I still don't know why Seahawk fans are so bothered by this one hit.

Incorrect. Bennett didn't drive through the legs and any contact with the knees was incidental. You could see him get close to the knees and try to get lower, around the ankles. Also, like I said, he didn't drive through contact at all.

Honestly if I'm a player and I get fined for that, the next time I'm making sure I get some contact out of the deal.

And if Wilson was sacked this way....I'd be fine with it. There wasn't any way Bennett was injuring Ryan on that play, he pulled up and just tried to take him down. Wilson wouldn't be injured by it as well, thus I could care less about it.

 

[Fuzzman55]

Stupid, but I don't expect anything different from the NFL.

 

[hawkcrazzed]

no what is worse is the guy that rolled up manning got not fines. the damn bucs got no fines for extremely late hits and hits to the head on russ. so after all of that its like a kick in the crotch.

 

[rideaducati]

It has been a rule for a couple years now. Players are not allowed to hit the qb forcefully at or below the knees. He did, hence the penalty and fine.

I still don't understand the hate for Goodell when penalties are called or fines are given out...he neither throws the flag nor levies the fine. Once again, lemmings blaming ONE man for all that ails the NFL. ALL new rules were presented to the NFL by a committee of coaches and former players. Those on the committee agreed that these rules should be implemented, so you guys should find out who the committee members are and blame them for coming up with the new rules. Goodell has never played or coached like the committee members have, so he has smartly delegated those responsibilities to those that have played and coached. The new rules, after passing through the committee, are then taken to the OWNERS, who then vote yes or no on implementing them.

The fines go through someone not named Roger Goodell too, so you guys that blame Goodell for fines and penalties just make your ignorance known to all.

 

[hawkcrazzed]

ya and the fine guy is an ex niner u do the math.

 

[rideaducati]

no what is worse is the guy that rolled up manning got not fines. the damn bucs got no fines for extremely late hits and hits to the head on russ. so after all of that its like a kick in the crotch.

The guy that "rolled up" manning did not deliver a forcible blow, he was laying there and grabbed manning's legs.

Those "extremely late" hits on Russell were not late. If you want those hits called, it would do more damage to the Seahawks than it would to most other teams because the Seahawks hit like that a lot too. It just showed up against Seattle because the O-line was atrocious the past few weeks.

 

[mikeak]

Lol you'd all be pissed and demanding a fine if it happened to Wilson.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe, just maybe Bennett did contact Ryan's knees? The league is usually pretty solid when it comes to getting it right for fines (the amount is a different story).

I still don't know why Seahawk fans are so bothered by this one hit.

The rule is that FLAGRANT hit at the knees or below is illegal

It was NOT a flagrant hit.

When the rule came out it was clarified as hitting the knees with helmet or such force that injury was likely and was not to apply to tackle. The rule specifically says flagrant as in throwing themselves at the knees and being a huge injury risk. Bennet was basically down and no / little forward momentum.

This fine really surprised me based on reading the rules. I get the flag during the game right or wrong very close call I just don't see the fine

 

[hawkcrazzed]

really why are we fighting over the TOM BRADY RULE. it was bs then and bs now.

 

[tdigitee]

ya and the fine guy is an ex niner u do the math.

And also an ex-Seahawk...

 

[dontbelikethat]

I don't agree with the fine. Penalty was iffy as is and should've been enough. Not like he had intent to injure or it was dirty.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Someone else, not Goodell, has an office who reviews game tapes each week to determine who should be fined for breaking NFL rules. It is very difficult to determine "intent" on a video. I have a hunch that there is a lot of "coin flipping" going on in that room!

 

[RichNhansom]

no what is worse is the guy that rolled up manning got not fines. the damn bucs got no fines for extremely late hits and hits to the head on russ. so after all of that its like a kick in the crotch.

The guy that "rolled up" manning did not deliver a forcible blow, he was laying there and grabbed manning's legs.

Those "extremely late" hits on Russell were not late. If you want those hits called, it would do more damage to the Seahawks than it would to most other teams because the Seahawks hit like that a lot too. It just showed up against Seattle because the O-line was atrocious the past few weeks.

Wasn't there multiple personnel fouls called against the Bucs for late hits on Wilson? I thought there were three. I actually told a friend while watching the game, there is going to be some fines against these Buc's players for intentional helmet to helmet hits and that is something I have never said before. It looked blatant to me on multiple occasions the Buc's were actually trying to take Wilson out of the game. There were several clear views of hits where the defender appeared to intentionally lead with his helmet directly into Wilson's helmet and Wilson towards the end of the game even gave the ref's a look on one no call like Really? No flag? He was also asked about it in an interview and he mentioned looking at the ref's that way and then said but hey I'm tough and moved the conversation along just like you would expect him to do but it did come up and he definitely acknowledged it.

If there really was no fines against the Buc's players after that game and then they fine Bennett $15000 I am absolutely calling bullshit. That doesn't even seem possible unless there is something very fishy going on.

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

Let's play rules lawyer, shall we? Here's the relevant section of the NFL rulebook, under the "Roughing the Passer" section:

HITTING PASSER’S KNEE (5)
A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him;

Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player.
Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

It looks like the judgement call is whether or not Bennett "forcibly hit" Ryan in the knee or below area. Note 1 says he's not allowed to lunge, but Note 2 says he can swipe wrap or grab. I haven't seen a gif of this one yet, but there are photo stills in the other thread.

So, as IBM used to tell us back in the day: YOU make the call!

P.S. My brain still can play the music from those old ads...

 

[Hawkpower]

It has been a rule for a couple years now. Players are not allowed to hit the qb forcefully at or below the knees. He did, hence the penalty and fine.

I still don't understand the hate for Goodell when penalties are called or fines are given out...he neither throws the flag nor levies the fine. Once again, lemmings blaming ONE man for all that ails the NFL. ALL new rules were presented to the NFL by a committee of coaches and former players. Those on the committee agreed that these rules should be implemented, so you guys should find out who the committee members are and blame them for coming up with the new rules. Goodell has never played or coached like the committee members have, so he has smartly delegated those responsibilities to those that have played and coached. The new rules, after passing through the committee, are then taken to the OWNERS, who then vote yes or no on implementing them.

The fines go through someone not named Roger Goodell too, so you guys that blame Goodell for fines and penalties just make your ignorance known to all.

The rule says FLAGRANT champ. Nothing about the contact was forceful or flagrant

And the Goodell defending is bizarre. That guy has earned every bit of criticism he receives.

 

[scutterhawk]

Just more bullshit from the NO-Goodell camp.
Supposedly now, Goodell isn't the one who reviews, and then sends the players a crap fine, but IF the bozo that indeed reviews the play, has to KNOW that it was NOT an illegal play, and therefore, it should NOT warrant any damned fine.
These assholes are going to find a way to ruin the game if left to do this kind of shit, unchallenged.
Penalties like this (any 15 yarder), should be subjected to instant review, so that the Refs who threw the rag, should have to explain his chicken shit call.
Now I do know that it won't happen, because they have the no-review calls that exonerates the screwed up Officials mistakes. :177692:

 

[Sports Hernia]

It has been a rule for a couple years now. Players are not allowed to hit the qb forcefully at or below the knees. He did, hence the penalty and fine.

I still don't understand the hate for Goodell when penalties are called or fines are given out...he neither throws the flag nor levies the fine. Once again, lemmings blaming ONE man for all that ails the NFL. ALL new rules were presented to the NFL by a committee of coaches and former players. Those on the committee agreed that these rules should be implemented, so you guys should find out who the committee members are and blame them for coming up with the new rules. Goodell has never played or coached like the committee members have, so he has smartly delegated those responsibilities to those that have played and coached. The new rules, after passing through the committee, are then taken to the OWNERS, who then vote yes or no on implementing them.

The fines go through someone not named Roger Goodell too, so you guys that blame Goodell for fines and penalties just make your ignorance known to all.

:177692: :34853_doh: Roger Goodell is the commish of the NFL. He runs the league. He is the CEO. He can make changes to things as he sees fit. Stop being a such fanboy and Rog apologist!