MATT HASSELBECK

[Lagartixa]

I have Hasselbeck third among Seahawks quarterbacks, but I can understand if people put him second.

The best was Wilson, and it's nowhere near close, even adjusting for era. I think a lot of Seahawks fans still overrate Wilson (the ones who claim he was "top-five" for much of his career, when he was actually among the five most-valuable quarterbacks in the league for one or maybe two seasons in his career, and he was never very close to the top guy of a given year), but it'll be a long time before a Seahawks quarterback ever manages to contribute more overall career value on the field (for the Seahawks) than Wilson did. It may never happen.

Wilson's flaws were (and continue to be) real, but Carroll and his offensive coördinators were simply great at taking maximal advantages of Wilson's considerable strengths while minimizing the damage from his considerable weaknesses. I think in just about any other situation, Wilson would have looked like a career backup with a short career, and quite possibly like a waste of a third-round draft pick. Instead, he ended up being a truly great player for a third-rounder. Not Canton-great, but really great for a third rounder.

Now, between Krieg and Hasselbeck, you have to start getting into the weeds of era adjustments. I think Krieg was better than Hasselbeck in comparison to other quarterbacks during their respective times in the league, but there are extremely solid arguments for the opposite position, and that doesn't bother me much, because we're still talking about second place.

I've got Zorn fourth, for what it's worth. He is one of my all-time favorite NFL players and easily my favorite Seahawks QB of all time (so far), and he was my first childhood sports hero, but there's a sizeable gap, even adjusting for era, between him and the next two, and then an even-bigger gap between them and Wilson.

 

[NoChops]

Hasselbeck is MMAAANNNNNN

 

[Aircrew]

Throw out the performance and hero ball, put in what a QB means to the team and his role. Hass was head and shoulders above everyone, Kreig and Zorn 2nd and third, Kitna fourth, Wilson was not a leader, team guy, or person the team could relate too by his choice, not the rest of the team. Not what you want for the guy in charge of running your offense.

This.

 

[chris98251]

This.

Thank you, I made my statement based on his teammates reaction to him early on, they called him Fake, the not black enough was Wilson being political and playing things up when needed to the players he was with then going Hollywood and ignoring them in other ways, was insincere. He lost the team from the early stages after he divorced his first wife. Throw Pete protecting him in on the team he was alienated by his own fragility and needing a buffer.

I rarely seen him get on any of the players for not doing their jobs if ever. Hass, Krieg, Dilfer, I remember the hot mic when he told Mili just catch the effing ball one game, but you can see a QB lead and hold his teammates accountable, Hass did it to Lineman, Backs, and WR's for blowing routes or assignments.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Thank you, I made my statement based on his teammates reaction to him early on, they called him Fake, the not black enough was Wilson being political and playing things up when needed to the players he was with then going Hollywood and ignoring them in other ways, was insincere. He lost the team from the early stages after he divorced his first wife. Throw Pete protecting him in on the team he was alienated by his own fragility and needing a buffer.

I rarely seen him get on any of the players for not doing their jobs if ever. Hass, Krieg, Dilfer, I remember the hot mic when he told Mili just catch the effing ball one game, but you can see a QB lead and hold his teammates accountable, Hass did it to Lineman, Backs, and WR's for blowing routes or assignments.

I don't think anyone really loved him off the field. Even the media found him robotic but on the field in his prime he was so damn clutch. Especially when he could still run.

 

[hgwellz12]

Thank you, I made my statement based on his teammates reaction to him early on, they called him Fake, the not black enough was Wilson being political and playing things up when needed to the players he was with then going Hollywood and ignoring them in other ways, was insincere. He lost the team from the early stages after he divorced his first wife. Throw Pete protecting him in on the team he was alienated by his own fragility and needing a buffer.

I rarely seen him get on any of the players for not doing their jobs if ever. Hass, Krieg, Dilfer, I remember the hot mic when he told Mili just catch the effing ball one game, but you can see a QB lead and hold his teammates accountable, Hass did it to Lineman, Backs, and WR's for blowing routes or assignments.

All that, and yet and still Russ was a better QB.

 

[projectorfreak]

Hass was like our kicker
On one year and off the next
It was frustrating especially when we got swept 3 times by the FTRs
But when he was on he was definitely good

 

[keasley45]

Best player at the position? Russell

Best TRUE QB - I'd give the nod to Krieg by a hair over Hass (Hass didnt have many) with Wilson 3rd. When Mudbone retired, he was in the top 10 all time in quite a few statistical categories. Both he and Hass could run hot and cold.

I loved Hass a player and a team guy. He had a great personality, was beloved by his teammates and when he was hot, was as good as it gets.

Krieg has some of the same qualities, even if he wasnt the most charismatic guy.

My personal favorites list:

For the player:

Krieg
Hass
Wilson
Moon
Zorn

For the memories:
Wilson
Kieg
Hass

The rest

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Throw out the performance and hero ball, put in what a QB means to the team and his role. Hass was head and shoulders above everyone, Kreig and Zorn 2nd and third, Kitna fourth, Wilson was not a leader, team guy, or person the team could relate too by his choice, not the rest of the team. Not what you want for the guy in charge of running your offense.

I'd agree with lots of this.

Hass is also my medi-attached favorite ex-seahawk. Just level analysis and no hyperbole. Liked his radio interviews a couple seasons ago weekly.

 

[Maulbert]

Whole lot of rose tinted glasses in this thread. I loved Hass. Russ is a borderline HoFer. Hass will never sniff it. It's a dumb question. And I say that as someone who is just as disgusted with Russ as anyone else here.

 

[BASF]

Best player at the position? Russell

Best TRUE QB - I'd give the nod to Krieg by a hair over Hass (Hass didnt have many) with Wilson 3rd. When Mudbone retired, he was in the top 10 all time in quite a few statistical categories. Both he and Hass could run hot and cold.

I loved Hass a player and a team guy. He had a great personality, was beloved by his teammates and when he was hot, was as good as it gets.

Krieg has some of the same qualities, even if he wasnt the most charismatic guy.

My personal favorites list:

For the player:

Krieg
Hass
Wilson
Moon
Zorn

For the memories:
Wilson
Kieg
Hass

The rest

Just imagine if Hass hadn't suffered the drop rates from some of our receivers/TEs with their demons.

 

[keasley45]

Just imagine if Hass hadn't suffered the drop rates from some of our receivers/TEs with their demons.

Or if holmgren could have groomed him from day 1 to start and stayed with him as his HC for 12 or 15 years.

 

[whidbeast]

Total aside but it's weird to see offensive linemen wearing Seahawks jerseys AND blocking

 

[Tech Worlds]

I loved me some Matt Hasselback, but there were probably 2 to 3 times every single game where he turned into Matt Spazzleback.

It held him and the team back.

 

[CPHawk]

I think his greatest accomplishment was never killing himself mid-game due to how many dropped passes he had to contend with.

I’d bet over his career as a Seahawks, he had the worst WR core of any full time Seahawks QB. And Holmgren tried like crazy to improve it, just could never find a true #1 WR

 

[Rat]

I’d bet over his career as a Seahawks, he had the worst WR core of any full time Seahawks QB. And Holmgren tried like crazy to improve it, just could never find a true #1 WR

I don't agree with that all. Darrell Jackson was a legitimate #1 WR who is very underappreciated among Seahawks fans, Bobby Engram would have been an upgrade as the #3 WR for like 80% of the league, Koren Robinson was a headcase but phenomenally talented and an impact player, and they found a number of decent role player or backup types during his time (Jurevicius, Burleson, Hackett, etc). They were plagued with drops though, and that was beyond frustrating.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

D Jack was our number 1 wr when Hass played but I don't think he was even top 15 at his position when he played. Him and Bobby played well together and benefited from each other. Koren had all the tools but dropped too many balls. Him and Jeremy Stevens could have been special.

 

[Atradees]

Somehow we got to a Superb owl with Hass. He was the best overachiever in Hawks history. Love his football analysis. Then Russ took us to two more with sand lot football....always scramblin. Kreig was cool too....The Fumble King. Thought their should have been more Superb Owls with Wilson but the drafts and coordination were never as good as those in the LOB Era.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

He was special in 2007 with no Shaun and a patchwork OL to work with. Real magic there. Then it all fell apart in the playoffs as the defense realized they'd been playing bargain-bin QB's the entire season and had no idea what they were doing against actual NFL offenses.

 

[BigMeach]

If Matt had gotten the Super Bowl that he should have (fk those refs) then he would have gotten us our first and that definitely would have elevated him for everyone.