Marshawn Lynch fumbles 2012-13

[C-Dub]

How many of those were lost?

Does that really matter? It's more about lucky bounces once the ball is fumbled.

 

[Hasselbeck]

If memory serves.. a lot of these fumbles have been just instances where the defenders helmet hits the ball perfectly.

I agree that Beast Mode needs to protect the ball a little better, but it's not like he's David Wilson out there. Sometimes it's just unfortunate luck where the defender's head hits the football.

 

[SonicHawk]

How about Wilson's 5 fumbles this season alone.

Must be his small hands...

Fumbles by player:

1 Ryan Tannehill Miami Dolphins QB 6
1 Robert Griffin III Washington Redskins QB 6
3 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers QB 5
3 Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks QB 5
3 Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions QB 5
3 Colin Kaepernick San Francisco 49ers QB 5
7 Jay Cutler Chicago Bears QB 4
7 Joe Flacco Baltimore Ravens QB 4
7 Peyton Manning Denver Broncos QB 4
7 Geno Smith New York Jets QB 4


Russell Wilson also leads the league in fumbles recovered at 4.

 

[Steve2222]

I hold my breathe every time he runs for two reasons. #1 there's a chance it will be a highlight play. #2 his ball security is often questionable given his running style.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Beastmode's carries to fumble ratio is average in the league. No, it's not a problem. It's part of the position.

You want to worry/complain about something/someone? How about Wilson's 5 fumbles this season alone.

You cannot compare the two. Come on.

Quarterbacks stand in the pocket, raise their arm and throw. Running backs stick the ball in their stomach and run straight at defenders. In one instance, playing behind a complete make-shift line, fumbles have to be expected. For Lynch? Not so much.

 

[bestfightstory]

Running backs get hit with a little greater frequency than QBs also.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Lynch has 2 fumbles in 117 attempts this year for a 1.7% rate. He had 5 last year in 317 carries for a 1.6% loss rate with that going to 2% if you include the playoffs. So, it's not currently an alarming issue to me because it's about normal.

 

[Hawks46]

Nine fumbles in a season + six games isn't just looking for negatives IMO.

While you're doing research, can you check when he actually fumbled ? It seems like to me, he was great with the rock early last year, and fumbled a lot more towards the end, which could be attributed to fatigue. We have better depth at the position this year.

Then again, it's not like we're using that depth so far.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Nine fumbles in a season + six games isn't just looking for negatives IMO.

While you're doing research, can you check when he actually fumbled ? It seems like to me, he was great with the rock early last year, and fumbled a lot more towards the end, which could be attributed to fatigue. We have better depth at the position this year.

Then again, it's not like we're using that depth so far.

He had 4 of his 5 fumbles in the second half last year. Against great, ball-seeking defenses. (Jets, Bears, Rams.) It's like there's a pattern to when he coughs up the football in the regular season.

 

[Missing_Clink]

I think we just have to accept the risk of it happening and hope it doesn't. If he is healthy, Marshawn needs to get his touches. In my opinion he is the best player on the team, and I will begrudgingly deal with a few fumbles in light of all the good things he does.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

No ball carrier that made any kind of difference in this league never fumbled. Even the great Marshall Faulk who "don't fumble" fumbled 36 times in his career. I know because I looked it up.

We all hate when Marshawn fumbles but it's going to happen now and again. But Clumsy is right. A fumble now and then is worth the nightly beej.

 

[kearly]

Prior to 2012, Lynch had only about 1 fumble per 100 carries. It's not like he's running harder now than he was then. He has good ball security technique. This is probably a case of small sample size noise, or perhaps regression to the mean.

 

[SonicHawk]

He only has two fumbles this year... right?

 

[Cartire]

He only has two fumbles this year... right?

That is correct. But c'mon, this is .net, birth place of perpetual negativity (oh wait, I mean constructive opinions).

It's gotten so bad here, that if you can't complain about the complainers without them going on defensive mode about their "justified" attitude.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I like that someone points out a notable statistic and people start crying about it. "Oh no, someone criticized my favorite team! I've got to whine about those people in posts that aren't constructive instead of actually offering a counter-point because the latter would take some form of critical thought!"

 

[Cartire]

I like that someone points out a notable statistic and people start crying about it. "Oh no, someone criticized my favorite team! I've got to whine about those people in posts that aren't constructive instead of actually offering a counter-point because the latter would take some form of critical thought!"

Except the statistic is not notable. Fumbling on 1% of your carries is not notable. At all. What is notable is the amount of complaining about non-notable statistics.

I know this is a public forums, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But part of that is allowing your opinion to be scrutinized. If you want to tell people what you think, you should be prepared to listen to their response.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I like that someone points out a notable statistic and people start crying about it. "Oh no, someone criticized my favorite team! I've got to whine about those people in posts that aren't constructive instead of actually offering a counter-point because the latter would take some form of critical thought!"

Except the statistic is not notable. Fumbling on 1% of your carries is not notable. At all. What is notable is the amount of complaining about non-notable statistics.

I know this is a public forums, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But part of that is allowing your opinion to be scrutinized. If you want to tell people what you think, you should be prepared to listen to their response.

No, a rash of concentrated fumbles IS notable, especially when it is a sharp rise from past fumble rates. It can indicate injury or a change in the way the player protects the ball. It can also be nothing more than a statistical blip.

If people want to actually scrutinize the opinion, that is fine. But that's not what some people are doing. Some people are just whining about the criticism without, you know, actually dealing with the statistic and critically examining whether or not it has merit.

 

[Blitzer88]

I am becoming concerned with all the fumbles we are seeing lately....gotta clean that up or we will be in trouble.

 

[Cartire]

I like that someone points out a notable statistic and people start crying about it. "Oh no, someone criticized my favorite team! I've got to whine about those people in posts that aren't constructive instead of actually offering a counter-point because the latter would take some form of critical thought!"

Except the statistic is not notable. Fumbling on 1% of your carries is not notable. At all. What is notable is the amount of complaining about non-notable statistics.

I know this is a public forums, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But part of that is allowing your opinion to be scrutinized. If you want to tell people what you think, you should be prepared to listen to their response.

No, a rash of concentrated fumbles IS notable, especially when it is a sharp rise from past fumble rates. It can indicate injury or a change in the way the player protects the ball. It can also be nothing more than a statistical blip.

If people want to actually scrutinize the opinion, that is fine. But that's not what some people are doing. Some people are just whining about the criticism without, you know, actually dealing with the statistic and critically examining whether or not it has merit.

except the opinion was met with actual statistics. Being on the average spectrum of the league in fumbles per carry (1.371% in 2012 is ranked #13 in the league) shows being average. Examining it as if its some trait doesn't really make sense since its a majority fluke play to begin with.

No, what it seems to me, and many others who criticize this opinion, is that its just another thing to gripe about. What you and others call an opinion to be discussed, we see as a nothing problem. Football is not an exact science. The other 11 people on the field also have gameplans and skill that are displayed. Sometimes, they win their assignments. Sometime we win ours.

Some stats that people could really discuss with merit is passing yards and 3rd down completions. Thinking 2 fumbles in 6 games, when your team is rushing more then any other team is nitpicking. Its looking for problems that are not there.

In a 24 hour period after a win, this board has somehow gotten the impression that they work in the front office. The fans dont even get to enjoy a win anymore without feeling like they need to be discussing all of our mistakes, as if we can fix the team (thats not even broken). And say what you want about people allowed to discuss what they want. Thats fine, but then dont be surprised when people complain about the mood of the board when more then half the threads complain about everything as if were 1-5. :roll:

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

He only has two fumbles this year... right?

That is correct. But c'mon, this is .net, birth place of perpetual negativity (oh wait, I mean constructive opinions).

It's gotten so bad here, that if you can't complain about the complainers without them going on defensive mode about their "justified" attitude.

There's nothing more annoying than people constantly complaining about discussing a legit talking point.

If you don't think this is an issue, that's your opinion. But it's not a ridiculous subject to bring up.

I'm one of the most positive Seahawks fans you'll ever meet. But bloody hell, I'll talk about stuff like this and feel zero guilt.