Cyrus12
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Are you debating yourself??And for getting laughed at by maelstrom and the other dude for saying he’s in the mvp conversation….he made a ton of plays in the second half to bail his team out. He did what he had to
Are you debating yourself??And for getting laughed at by maelstrom and the other dude for saying he’s in the mvp conversation….he made a ton of plays in the second half to bail his team out. He did what he had to
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Are you debating yourself??
So, how about not getting into that debate, huh?And for getting laughed at by maelstrom and the other dude for saying he’s in the mvp conversation….he made a ton of plays in the second half to bail his team out. He did what he had to
I disagree with Louis Riddick, then.Louis riddick sums this up for me @Maelstrom787
Go back and read through the thread, it’s fairly obvious what I’m talking about. I did get singled out for daring to say what riddick says. I don’t care and it’s fun to banter so whatever but man sometimes you can be really condescending and then play the victim. Maybe it’s lost in the format and that’s not how you mean it. It’s hard to read intention to be fairSo, how about not getting into that debate, huh?
Also, I'm not laughing at you. I'm doing the exact same thing you are, which is disagreeing. You keep making these little comments afterward like you're being singled out. No clue what that's about.
I'm playing the victim? In what way?Go back and read through the thread, it’s fairly obvious what I’m talking about. I did get singled out for daring to say what riddick says. I don’t care and it’s fun to banter so whatever but man sometimes you can be really condescending and then play the victim. Maybe it’s lost in the format and that’s not how you mean it. It’s hard to read intention to be fair
I missed this so I'll respond here. Yes, the rate of pressure allowed DOES matter massively. The stat you're hawking, PBWR, is literally subject to the same noise. PBWR IS PRESSURE RATE - with a modifier added that is for pressure allowed within 2.5 seconds.You used pressure rates to show their line is good? Really? As if play calling and execution don’t matter massively? Come on man lol
I'm playing the victim? In what way?
I'm not the one claiming to be laughed at and vilified by someone disagreeing with me.
I missed this so I'll respond here. Yes, the rate of pressure allowed DOES matter massively. The stat you're hawking, PBWR, is literally subject to the same noise. PBWR IS PRESSURE RATE - with a modifier added that is for pressure allowed within 2.5 seconds.
30 other teams also passed on drafting Purdy...F
We've witnessed his in-game transformation from Brock Turdy to Brock Brady.
Seahawks made a HUGE mistake passing on him.
I've provided you the majority of every offensive line stat there is, and they grade as middling when aggregating all of them together and considering the amount of interference each metric is subjected to by offensive scheme.I’ve looked at all the stats in totality and it’s flat out not good for the Niners.
Are you arguing they have a good line then?
This doesn't translate into a terrible OL. It translates into a middling one that benefits from a great scheme. This tracks with their personnel surefire hall of fame left tackle, a very good guard in Aaron Banks, and their biggest detriment being solidly below average RT play. Regardless of whether or not the OL WAS actually terrible in subjective gradings, we can pretty conclusively state that the actual detriment the QB faces from it is more negligible than stated because he still isn't actually getting pressured according to the actual counts.If you look at raw pressures allowed, San Francisco is 5th and Seattle is 24th.
If you look as pressure percentage allowed, San Francisco is 14th and Seattle is 27th. San Francisco allows a pressure on almost 5% less of their snaps, which is about 20% less often than Seattle.
If you look as pass block win rate, San Francisco is 20th and Seattle is 25th.
If you look at pocket time which is an average of the time to either throw the ball OR until a pressure is recorded, San Francisco is tied for first at 2.7 and Seattle is bottom half of the league at 2.4.
If you look at raw hurries allowed, San Francisco is 7th best in the league. Seattle is the very worst at 32nd overall.
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Many aren’t you sharing the sites that have them much lower? I’ve done the same searches you’ve done and all your doing is looking for stuff that supports your goal posts that have moved. But I’m over it. I just think arguing Geno was great and then arguing Purdy is average at best is baffling. You think differently. It is what it isI've provided you the majority of every offensive line stat there is, and they grade as middling when aggregating all of them together and considering the amount of interference each metric is subjected to by offensive scheme.
No, I didn't say this. I've explicitly stated that they're middling.
For subjective graders, Sharp has them 17th. I'd wager PFF has them between 16th and 20th.
ESPN PBWR is 20th.
For slightly more objective measures (that can be interpreted differently), we can see that this doesn't manifest into higher than average rates of actual pressure faced, nor hurries, nor sacks. Quoted below.
This doesn't translate into a terrible OL. It translates into a middling one that benefits from a great scheme. This tracks with their personnel surefire hall of fame left tackle, a very good guard in Aaron Banks, and their biggest detriment being solidly below average RT play. Regardless of whether or not the OL WAS actually terrible in subjective gradings, we can pretty conclusively state that the actual detriment the QB faces from it is more negligible than stated because he still isn't actually getting pressured according to the actual counts.
Provide 'em. I'm open to it, and I've provided my supporting data to you.Many aren’t you sharing the sites that have them much lower?
This is a ridiculous accusation given that pressures, pressure percentage allowed, hurries, sack%, etc. are all mainstay, basic stats by which to judge an offensive line. For doing "all the same searches," you've provided a single metric from ESPN and refuse to elaborate further.I’ve done the same searches you’ve done and all your doing is looking for stuff that supports your goal posts that have moved.
I was too, and you brought it BACK up after I had literally not replied again because you said that the conversation was over.But I’m over it.
I didn't say Geno was great overall this year. I've maintained he's a top-half quarterback who can have much of his regression attributed to a downturn in the rushing game, significant frequency of pressure faced, and compensating for the possible worst defense in football.I just think arguing Geno was great-
I've said he's top half, not top 10, to be clear.-and then arguing Purdy is average at best is baffling.
Is it? Because if it is what it is, we can table this again if you don't start @'ing me in a few minutes to rehash this.It is what it is
Thank you for the just-vague-enough criticism of my mental aptitude that you've been complaining about everyone else doing to you. If you've got those websites with the smoking gun on the Niners OL, I'll be here.Your intentions are easy to see dude. I’m honestly shocked you don’t see the nuance in your approach or the implications of what you say and when you say it. It’s easy to read between the lines and gather how you feel about Geno, Purdy, Pete whether you admit it or not.
Enjoy your week
Thank you for the just-vague-enough criticism of my mental aptitude that you've been complaining about everyone else doing to you. If you've got those websites with the smoking gun on the Niners OL, I'll be here.
Enjoy yours too.
Ben Johnson love affair over. MacDonald is the guy.
Defense still wins championships. Go get the guy who can transform this defense.
I mean, I would disagree with that interpretation as every reply I've made has directly addressed the points of the posts I'm replying to, but I'm sorry if you feel like I'm simply implying that you're stupid and then trying to end the conversation, because that is not my intention and I cannot see a way in which that can be taken from my replies.I literally did what you did to prove a point.