Pandion Haliaetus
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Hello, its me again. That guy. If you dare, put on your reading glasses. Find a nice toilet or any comfortable seat and prepare. Its another long one (no pun intended) of a post.
It might be important to remember this team in the last 5 years has won 56 games out 80 possible regular season games. This team hasn't lost less than 10 in any season in a league that tends to balance out for parity.
There has been periods in the past where 10 win seasons would have been a huge achievement. Now it seems like 10 win seasons are as demoralizing as 6 win or below season.
Keep in mind that in the last 5 years, this team has won 8 out of 12 possible playoff games, 9 out of 13 under Carroll with 2 Superbowl appearances, and 1 Lombardi.
We are and we have been one of the few elite teams of this decade, sure the results never go as expected, but only the Patriots can say they've been better.
I understand the calls for change. But I think it's a bit premature. Just l
look at the fans who havent tasted any success for some time, look at teams who have been up and down one year to the next.
Look around the league and see how teams have transformed themselves because of the Seahawks especially on Defense and teams that transformed thier approach to beat the Seahawks.
Look at the NFL, constantly trying to minimize Seahawks success, first by enforcing defensive holding and contact, 2ndly, seemingly putting us to higher standard of execution, the bully must be watched. And then turn around and help lead the outcry on the controveries that villianize us.
Look at our own adversities, internal conflicts, and study our injury history and still this team has won 64 of 92 games through it all. We've been privvy to only 28 losses in the last 5 years. There are probably a couple of teams have amounted 28 losses of regular season games in just 2 seasons.
What Carroll, Schnieder, and Co. have been doing is working, the roster they put on the field has been strong. But of the many things they can't control is Health (Injuries, Fatigue etc), Luck, and Officiating. At times you have all three working against you and it produces bad results.
This team is has been has built it success on luck for instance broken plays that Wilson Houdinis up some magic, hitting on deep throws and the Defense creating turnovers. You look at 2016, those 3 things the team didn't have success at.
Health is huge... In a vacuum, I would say all injuries have more or less evened out culmative talent to their respective seasons. For instance, in 2013, Seahawks lost Okung, Giac, Unger, Miller for like 23 total games. You could the level of talent on the Oline at times was similar to 2016 Oline.
However, the 2 things that nullified bad O-Line play was Wilson and Lynch.
In 2016, we saw what an immobile Wilson looked like without a consistent running game. It was difficult.
We finally saw what Earl Thomas is worth to this defense, and why he's the most important player in what the Seahawks scheme. He might be the most valuable player in comparison to any player on any defense in the league.
You immobilize Wilson in 2013, and take Thomas out 6 of the last 7 plus playoffs the results probably would have been similar as 2016. 10-11 wins. Wild-Card berth bc SFO. If they make it to the NFC CG, do the Seahawks win what was pretty much a stalemate of a game @ Candlestick. That's even with the superior defensive depth, even with Lynch.
2016 was bad in a sense, because the amounting injuries that prevented the Seahawks find any consistent groove, lack of roster competition we've seen in the past, and a lot growing pains from the younger inexperienced players, and but at a point the team was 7-2-1. Beating both SB contenders and the only team to hand Tom Brady a loss as well. Monumentum was building, then we lost 2 of our biggest game changers in Prosise and Thomas.
But I saw bright things in the future, health withstanding.
Wilson probably matured through his adversity, his mobility has been one of the keys to his own and to the teams overall success. I see an off-season of dedication getting that back.
Rawls, Prosise, and Collins have tons of potential to be a monster RBBC. You keep the first two healthy watch out. If the Seahawks can hit on a big nasty tough as nails type to add a short yardage force but still with potential to be a work horse would round out the group.
An importance of a FB that can both lead block and receive. If Seahawks cant retain Reece, then find someone similar to him or Mike Rob.
The WR/TE corps look good with or without Lockett, Baldwin is establishing himself as an elite WR, Graham has potential to grow even more considering the year he had coming off that brutal injury. Richardson and McEvoy look like they are capable players, that will push Kearse to up his game. Vannett will have a year under his belt.
You have a solid nucleus of Oline talent with Fant, Glowinski, Britt, Ifedi, Odhiambo, Hunt, and whether or not Gilliam comes back as an RFA. Not good or great, but you don't lose any one significant and considering the inexperience and raw ability the upside looks hopeful. You definately hope the team continues to add depth and competition but it's really the first time since 2012 to 2013, where the Seahawks have the ability/resources to easily return thier top 7 guys. Back then it was Okung, McQuistan/Carpenter, Unger/LJP, Sweezy, Giacomini. 8 if you count Mofitt/Sowell. Since then you lost Giac, McQuistan in '14, Unger, Carp in '15, and Okung, Sweezy in '16. LJP failed to make the initial roster in '15 before coming back after the Nowak debacle.
It's also exciting what Britt could do as a first year starter, and more exciting in wondering how much better he can be staying in a locked position for the first time in his career. The OGs were pretty similar to Carp/Sweezy first years at OG. Wildly inconsistent but you can see the potential with flashed of dominant play. Book ends leave a lot to be desired, questions about Fant... You challenge him this off-season and you challenge him with competition because for someone as raw as he was, with as little football experience had, to be able to to not only contribute but start as a rookie despite mixed results showed that he can be developed into something even if its just a serviceable backup. But how high Fant' s ceiling can go you really can't project. I have a gut feel that Odhiambo will grow into a Pro bowl caliber player down the road i, which is a huge assumption considering he was a mere backup on one of the worst lines. Gilliam if retained, I think can be serviceable if not solid. I think he just lost faith, training to be the LT last off-season then being relegated back to RT because of the dissapointment that was Webb and losing precious snaps to Sowell due to injury in TC and Cable's affinity in living raw project players (Fant). Then because a lack of immediate competion at RT and working with a rookie, he just kind of went through the motions until Cable lit a fire under his ass. I think there is still some room to growth for Gilliam but you do question if he has the toughness to stick.
I think the Dline is going to get better... Avril, Bennett, and Rubin are still elite at what they bring. Reed, Clark, and Marsh all were quality in their roles and are entering thier 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seasons respectively with the team having more understanding what their strengths. Q.Jefferson is the wildcard, he may turn out to be a Clinton McDonald or another Jordan Hill. However, you have a strong returning nucleus to build depth around.
Lbers and Secondary are the same, you have a list of key players at the top, they you hope stay healthy but then relatively little depth.
This seems like a solid draft for DBs and re-enforcing the Secondary is vital, with the LOB aging and starting to amassing injuries. Lane is on the hot seat after this season, he out of any singular player considering their experience that is still on roster maybe other than Kearse, probably need to look at themselves hard this off-season, and work on refining and strengthening games. Kearse has be always inconsistent but his clutch factor was non-existant. Lane, though, looked as bad as Cary Williams.
So, the biggest opportunity this off-season isnt Oline its in the Secondary. Adding bodies, adding competition, kind of revitalizing the unit. In the college forum, I half joked drafting the 3 huskies DBs in rounds 1-3. More realistically, if the Seahawks don't lose a second rounder, I would be happy with Budda Baker in the first, as Earl insurance, and a guy that can challenge or play Nickel if moving Lane outside is better for him and us. Then Kevin King in the 2nd. To either challenge the starting RCB role or develop has a potential Sherman replacement as depth.
Wright has stepped up his game to elite status with Wagner stepping up as an All Pro/DPOY status. Two guys Seahawks can build around, you hit on a fresh young SAM that can complement then the Seahawks front 7 will be one of the best in the NFL.
If I can only make 12 key moves this off-season it would be:
1. Re-sign Hauscka (3 yrs, 3 m per with incentives on XP)
2. Re-sign Reece (2 yrs, 1.5 per or less, Mike Rob 2.0)
3. Re-sign McDaniel (1 yr, 2m per or less, had a solid year)
4. Re-sign Thorpe (1 yr, 1.5m or less for ST/CB depth)
5. Re-sign McCray (2 yrs, 1.5-2m per, just for lack of SS depth, but McCray will likely get a starting opportunity from someone with double the pay)
6. Extend Britt (4 years, bright future with potential to be a top tier OC, get him early and off the market).
7. Extend Kam (2 years, make him happy with an added $B, gaurantees for morale)
8. Extend Graham (2-3 years, I think he's worth it, him and Russ will continue to grow together)
9. (If FA) Sign Okung (1 yr, 6-7 per with another 1-2 m of incentives, allow Fant to develop behind a vet)
10. (If FA) Sign Giacomini (1 yr, vet min for veteran depth, competition, nastiness)
11. Draft Budda Baker in 1st Round
12. Draft Kevin King in 2nd Round
Bonus: Sign Gresham
It might be important to remember this team in the last 5 years has won 56 games out 80 possible regular season games. This team hasn't lost less than 10 in any season in a league that tends to balance out for parity.
There has been periods in the past where 10 win seasons would have been a huge achievement. Now it seems like 10 win seasons are as demoralizing as 6 win or below season.
Keep in mind that in the last 5 years, this team has won 8 out of 12 possible playoff games, 9 out of 13 under Carroll with 2 Superbowl appearances, and 1 Lombardi.
We are and we have been one of the few elite teams of this decade, sure the results never go as expected, but only the Patriots can say they've been better.
I understand the calls for change. But I think it's a bit premature. Just l
look at the fans who havent tasted any success for some time, look at teams who have been up and down one year to the next.
Look around the league and see how teams have transformed themselves because of the Seahawks especially on Defense and teams that transformed thier approach to beat the Seahawks.
Look at the NFL, constantly trying to minimize Seahawks success, first by enforcing defensive holding and contact, 2ndly, seemingly putting us to higher standard of execution, the bully must be watched. And then turn around and help lead the outcry on the controveries that villianize us.
Look at our own adversities, internal conflicts, and study our injury history and still this team has won 64 of 92 games through it all. We've been privvy to only 28 losses in the last 5 years. There are probably a couple of teams have amounted 28 losses of regular season games in just 2 seasons.
What Carroll, Schnieder, and Co. have been doing is working, the roster they put on the field has been strong. But of the many things they can't control is Health (Injuries, Fatigue etc), Luck, and Officiating. At times you have all three working against you and it produces bad results.
This team is has been has built it success on luck for instance broken plays that Wilson Houdinis up some magic, hitting on deep throws and the Defense creating turnovers. You look at 2016, those 3 things the team didn't have success at.
Health is huge... In a vacuum, I would say all injuries have more or less evened out culmative talent to their respective seasons. For instance, in 2013, Seahawks lost Okung, Giac, Unger, Miller for like 23 total games. You could the level of talent on the Oline at times was similar to 2016 Oline.
However, the 2 things that nullified bad O-Line play was Wilson and Lynch.
In 2016, we saw what an immobile Wilson looked like without a consistent running game. It was difficult.
We finally saw what Earl Thomas is worth to this defense, and why he's the most important player in what the Seahawks scheme. He might be the most valuable player in comparison to any player on any defense in the league.
You immobilize Wilson in 2013, and take Thomas out 6 of the last 7 plus playoffs the results probably would have been similar as 2016. 10-11 wins. Wild-Card berth bc SFO. If they make it to the NFC CG, do the Seahawks win what was pretty much a stalemate of a game @ Candlestick. That's even with the superior defensive depth, even with Lynch.
2016 was bad in a sense, because the amounting injuries that prevented the Seahawks find any consistent groove, lack of roster competition we've seen in the past, and a lot growing pains from the younger inexperienced players, and but at a point the team was 7-2-1. Beating both SB contenders and the only team to hand Tom Brady a loss as well. Monumentum was building, then we lost 2 of our biggest game changers in Prosise and Thomas.
But I saw bright things in the future, health withstanding.
Wilson probably matured through his adversity, his mobility has been one of the keys to his own and to the teams overall success. I see an off-season of dedication getting that back.
Rawls, Prosise, and Collins have tons of potential to be a monster RBBC. You keep the first two healthy watch out. If the Seahawks can hit on a big nasty tough as nails type to add a short yardage force but still with potential to be a work horse would round out the group.
An importance of a FB that can both lead block and receive. If Seahawks cant retain Reece, then find someone similar to him or Mike Rob.
The WR/TE corps look good with or without Lockett, Baldwin is establishing himself as an elite WR, Graham has potential to grow even more considering the year he had coming off that brutal injury. Richardson and McEvoy look like they are capable players, that will push Kearse to up his game. Vannett will have a year under his belt.
You have a solid nucleus of Oline talent with Fant, Glowinski, Britt, Ifedi, Odhiambo, Hunt, and whether or not Gilliam comes back as an RFA. Not good or great, but you don't lose any one significant and considering the inexperience and raw ability the upside looks hopeful. You definately hope the team continues to add depth and competition but it's really the first time since 2012 to 2013, where the Seahawks have the ability/resources to easily return thier top 7 guys. Back then it was Okung, McQuistan/Carpenter, Unger/LJP, Sweezy, Giacomini. 8 if you count Mofitt/Sowell. Since then you lost Giac, McQuistan in '14, Unger, Carp in '15, and Okung, Sweezy in '16. LJP failed to make the initial roster in '15 before coming back after the Nowak debacle.
It's also exciting what Britt could do as a first year starter, and more exciting in wondering how much better he can be staying in a locked position for the first time in his career. The OGs were pretty similar to Carp/Sweezy first years at OG. Wildly inconsistent but you can see the potential with flashed of dominant play. Book ends leave a lot to be desired, questions about Fant... You challenge him this off-season and you challenge him with competition because for someone as raw as he was, with as little football experience had, to be able to to not only contribute but start as a rookie despite mixed results showed that he can be developed into something even if its just a serviceable backup. But how high Fant' s ceiling can go you really can't project. I have a gut feel that Odhiambo will grow into a Pro bowl caliber player down the road i, which is a huge assumption considering he was a mere backup on one of the worst lines. Gilliam if retained, I think can be serviceable if not solid. I think he just lost faith, training to be the LT last off-season then being relegated back to RT because of the dissapointment that was Webb and losing precious snaps to Sowell due to injury in TC and Cable's affinity in living raw project players (Fant). Then because a lack of immediate competion at RT and working with a rookie, he just kind of went through the motions until Cable lit a fire under his ass. I think there is still some room to growth for Gilliam but you do question if he has the toughness to stick.
I think the Dline is going to get better... Avril, Bennett, and Rubin are still elite at what they bring. Reed, Clark, and Marsh all were quality in their roles and are entering thier 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seasons respectively with the team having more understanding what their strengths. Q.Jefferson is the wildcard, he may turn out to be a Clinton McDonald or another Jordan Hill. However, you have a strong returning nucleus to build depth around.
Lbers and Secondary are the same, you have a list of key players at the top, they you hope stay healthy but then relatively little depth.
This seems like a solid draft for DBs and re-enforcing the Secondary is vital, with the LOB aging and starting to amassing injuries. Lane is on the hot seat after this season, he out of any singular player considering their experience that is still on roster maybe other than Kearse, probably need to look at themselves hard this off-season, and work on refining and strengthening games. Kearse has be always inconsistent but his clutch factor was non-existant. Lane, though, looked as bad as Cary Williams.
So, the biggest opportunity this off-season isnt Oline its in the Secondary. Adding bodies, adding competition, kind of revitalizing the unit. In the college forum, I half joked drafting the 3 huskies DBs in rounds 1-3. More realistically, if the Seahawks don't lose a second rounder, I would be happy with Budda Baker in the first, as Earl insurance, and a guy that can challenge or play Nickel if moving Lane outside is better for him and us. Then Kevin King in the 2nd. To either challenge the starting RCB role or develop has a potential Sherman replacement as depth.
Wright has stepped up his game to elite status with Wagner stepping up as an All Pro/DPOY status. Two guys Seahawks can build around, you hit on a fresh young SAM that can complement then the Seahawks front 7 will be one of the best in the NFL.
If I can only make 12 key moves this off-season it would be:
1. Re-sign Hauscka (3 yrs, 3 m per with incentives on XP)
2. Re-sign Reece (2 yrs, 1.5 per or less, Mike Rob 2.0)
3. Re-sign McDaniel (1 yr, 2m per or less, had a solid year)
4. Re-sign Thorpe (1 yr, 1.5m or less for ST/CB depth)
5. Re-sign McCray (2 yrs, 1.5-2m per, just for lack of SS depth, but McCray will likely get a starting opportunity from someone with double the pay)
6. Extend Britt (4 years, bright future with potential to be a top tier OC, get him early and off the market).
7. Extend Kam (2 years, make him happy with an added $B, gaurantees for morale)
8. Extend Graham (2-3 years, I think he's worth it, him and Russ will continue to grow together)
9. (If FA) Sign Okung (1 yr, 6-7 per with another 1-2 m of incentives, allow Fant to develop behind a vet)
10. (If FA) Sign Giacomini (1 yr, vet min for veteran depth, competition, nastiness)
11. Draft Budda Baker in 1st Round
12. Draft Kevin King in 2nd Round
Bonus: Sign Gresham