JSN bulking up

[bileever]

I hope he's done it the right way. There's a lot of evidence that suggests that recent trends of NFL players building more muscle has actually led to more injuries.

We've seen all the new and unusal muscle-related injuries, like the one Jamal Adams had a few years ago. And a ton of bicep and pec-related injuries.

For example, between 2000 and 2010, there were a total of 10 pec muscle tear injuries in the NFL, but between 2010 and 2018, there were 63 pec ruptures, a 600% increase, most likely due to overtraining in the weight room.

Link to NIH study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8252349/

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I think these guys know what they're doing. Couldn't worry about JSN if I tried.

 

[Seak]

Wonder if he will be pissing in a cup soon lol

 

[seabowl]

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[toffee]

Luckily JSN plays WR in NFL, if he were a professional golfer, bulking up has its consequences. Johnny Miller bulked up after months of chopping wood, which significantly altered his body and subsequently impacted his golf swing. This incident, along with a period of inconsistent putting, is believed to have contributed to a change in his playing style and reduced his overall tournament schedule.

 

[CouchLogic]

Can he run and lift his arms by his face? Yes? Then I could not give two...

 

[toffee]

Can he run and lift his arms by his face? Yes? Then I could not give two...

Football is a game of inches, Golf may be a game of 1/16".

 

[Bobblehead]

Our Deebo

 

[RolandDeschain]

Meh, he has much more talent and smarts than Boston ever did. Nothing wrong with a guy putting on muscle to help with impact of big hits.

I wouldn't quite go this far. You can't gain weight and not have it have an impact on speed/agility. It's not like it's the only obvious right choice, like bulking up as a hitter in baseball, for example. Hope this doesn't affect any of his existing great attributes.

 

[DTiempo81]

I wouldn't quite go this far. You can't gain weight and not have it have an impact on speed/agility. It's not like it's the only obvious right choice, like bulking up as a hitter in baseball, for example. Hope this doesn't affect any of his existing great attributes.

You are correct, you can gain weight and actually improve your speed and agility. It can be a detriment as well, obviously, if you get too big.

 

[RolandDeschain]

You are correct, you can gain weight and actually improve your speed and agility. It can be a detriment as well, obviously, if you get too big.

Improving agility with gaining weight, sure. Improving SPEED from gaining weight I dare say, is nearly nonexistent. At least, in the context of professional athlete scenarios. Some stick figure guy at home who never exercises is going to gain muscle weight and become faster from it compared to being in a "not running at all" state.

 

[DTiempo81]

Improving agility with gaining weight, sure. Improving SPEED from gaining weight I dare say, is nearly nonexistent. At least, in the context of professional athlete scenarios. Some stick figure guy at home who never exercises is going to gain muscle weight and become faster from it compared to being in a "not running at all" state.

Just depends on what type of training they are doing. Just using "speed" as a qualifier is too vague. We aren't talking 40 times with no pads on, in reality the "fastest" most players will ever be is during the combine, but that has more to do with technique more than anything. For a professional football player in their first couple of years in the league it is very realistic that adding muscle in the right way will absolutely help with things like footfall rate, VO2 max, force generation, and power output. Adding lean muscle, especially in the lower body, will absolutely contribute to their overall speed metrics. There obviously is a balance to everything, and at a certain point there will be diminishing returns.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Just depends on what type of training they are doing. Just using "speed" as a qualifier is too vague. We aren't talking 40 times with no pads on, in reality the "fastest" most players will ever be is during the combine, but that has more to do with technique more than anything. For a professional football player in their first couple of years in the league it is very realistic that adding muscle in the right way will absolutely help with things like footfall rate, VO2 max, force generation, and power output. Adding lean muscle, especially in the lower body, will absolutely contribute to their overall speed metrics. There obviously is a balance to everything, and at a certain point there will be diminishing returns.

Look at how most of the super-fast receivers in the league over the past 20 years have either "chicken legs", like Percy Harvin, or at most lean muscle legs, not bulky or thick muscle ones. Just sayin'.

 

[DTiempo81]

Look at how most of the super-fast receivers in the league over the past 20 years have either "chicken legs", like Percy Harvin, or at most lean muscle legs, not bulky or thick muscle ones. Just sayin'.

I am not sure how this goes against anything that I said? I am not talking about adding "bulky" muscle, in fact I specifically called out lean muscle mass. And we aren't talking about Hill/Harvin, or other extremely fast WRs. Those guys are pushing the limits on speed/agility already, and most likely aren't going to get faster by adding muscle. Very very few players are in that upper echelon of speed/weight ratio, so using an outlier as your basis of argumentation is probably not the best ground to stand on.

Referring to JSN specifically, he's obviously very fast compared to your average human, but for an NFL WR he falls smack in the middle of the bell curve. Realistically he has room to improve his overall speed metrics (again not specifically talking 40 time) by adding lean muscle to his frame, especially in the first few years of his career. He's only 23, and still has room to mature physically. By comparison, most Olympic sprinters are just starting to enter peak performance range at 23, generally maxing out somewhere around 26.

 

[DTiempo81]

Also, calling this guy "chicken legs" is absolutely hilarious

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You guys worry about everything. It's gonna be ok

 

[DTiempo81]

You guys worry about everything. It's gonna be ok

 

[RolandDeschain]

Also, calling this guy "chicken legs" is absolutely hilarious

Did you miss my reference to it being for players like Percy Harvin, and also as one of two main types for most of the fastest receivers?

 

[HagFaithful]

It's the tendons and ligaments. God ain't making them any stronger quick enough, in relation to muscular development.

 

[DTiempo81]

Did you miss my reference to it being for players like Percy Harvin, and also as one of two main types for most of the fastest receivers?

No, I am pretty sure it originally read Hill/Harvin before you edited it, I just wasn't quick enough with the quote LOL.

Either way, you are incorrect with your original statement. Cheers.