JSN @ 40+ million per?

[BigMeach]

I see some flaws in this logic.

A new owner(s) is looking to buy the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks is probably valued anywhere from $9-$11 billion at the time of sale, and your telling me, whoever is willing to cough up possibly $11 billion is scared to pay JSN possibly $114 million in total guarantees??

If they are afraid or don’t want to pay elite NFL players maybe they shouldn’t be buying billion dollar NFL franchises then. Seems like they don’t know what happens when they buy NFL teams.

I’m guessing JSN will get paid and it won’t matter who is the owner when it happens, cause it will happen.

I think the argument was it won't happen until after the new owners have the team. Not that the new owners wouldn't do it.

I'd sure hope if you buy a team for that kind of money you'd be willing to pay to make the team better.

Damnit why can't we have the Allen family for generations?!?!?!?!??!!?

 

[kidhawk]

Why is this even a discussion today? We have him under his rookie deal next year and we have an option ($25 million I believe) for 2027. 2027 is when he should get extended. He can get his monies and likely lower the 2027 number at the same time. I have no worries w out this during this offseason

 

[AROS]

Ouch. That’s a major hit of the cap but dammit letting him go would just be stupidity. There are ways to lessen the blow (contract gurus could speak on this) to make it palpable where both sides win.

Like it or not, pay him top billing. Letting him walk would be a nightmare both from a team and PR perspective.

 

[Mick063]

Schneider could have kept DK Metcalf for 35 million, but he didn't. So, we now know that he has a tolerance threshold for wide receivers. Paying JSN 40 million may not be a slam dunk. It is all smoke and mirrors anyway. The agent's need a success portfolio to display to the next rookie class and the contracts are artificially decorated with false glitter to give them that display. The administrators need contracts that can be easily converted into "restructuring" piggy banks as a means to circumvent the salary cap with cash bonuses. The most expensive players rarely see the final escalators in their contracts and are often called in to either renegotiate for less or be cut in the waning years of their deal, especially if the championship window has closed and a given team is moving into the rebuild phase. It is all a facade.

The NFL, as an institution, is incrementally pricing itself out of business. When it finally gets to the point where watching an NFL game becomes the equivalent of purchasing a pay-per-view title fight, I will have long since moved on to the affordable springtime alternative of pro football or even some other form of entertainment entirely.

 

[TwilightError]

Metcalf did not fit this team’s philosophy of “we play for us”. JSN is quite selfless and does not complain. He fits this thing perfectly. Pay the man and pay him now. The price is only going to go up as the cap grows. 40m per year seems a lot now but could look like a bargain in a couple of years. Let’s not Jerry Jones it.

 

[seabowl]

Without him, our offense makes the '92 team look like The Greatest Show On Turf. Accept we have to pay him and be happy it's our "problem".

Are you saying I can dust off my Stan Gelbaugh jersey and wear it out in public proudly now?

 

[CPHawk]

So we can be like the cowboys, and pay guys who don’t win SBs. Or trade them to teams like the jets, who are happy to trade First round picks for them. Then keep bringing in top youth in the trenches and solid or even top WRs from the draft. And keep competing for, and winning SBs.

I love JSN, but we can’t pay him and Spoon, Murphy and Nick E eventually. I’ll keep the guys on D and turn WRs into draft capital 10/10 times.

 

[Trackhawk]

He will have to wait until new owners take control.

The team will not put large numbers on the books before the sale

Not only do I disagree, I think it’s entirely antithetical to who Jody has proven to be — a shrewd executor of Paul’s vision. Paul loved Seattle, loved the Seahawks, and loved the 12s. He built this team for us, as much as himself. He would want the team to go to an owner who shares that vision.

While she may not be able to choose her buyer (supposedly there is an obligation to sell to the highest bidder) she can put the finishing touches on the product that will make it appealing only to a certain type of buyer.

Putting a top dollar JSN on the books won’t matter to an owner that is looking to maintain, and expand upon, Paul Allen’s vision. It will give pause to any owner who’s goal is to come in and “clean house,” so he can leave his indelible fingerprint on the future.

 

[Trackhawk]

I fully expect Jody, John, and Mike to stick to the game plan. They don’t extend players with more than a year left on their contract, nor do they use the 5th-year option (generally speaking).

While I don’t expect JSN to get his extension this off-season, I don’t think it the reason has anything to do with the pending sale.

JSN is absolutely worth $40 to this team, and the situation bears no resemblance to DK’s. If anything, DK held JSN back. There is no doubt in my mind that DK was constantly in Geno’s ear, demanding the ball. He and JSN were not complementary receivers. I didn’t fully appreciate that until DK was gone, but John, apparently, did.

JSN’s, and Darnold’s, future with, and cost to, the team will largely depend on how next year goes. While I personally would dedicate $90 to $100 APY to the two contracts this off season, I doubt the Hawks will.

Incidentally, this is why I advocate not paying Walker $10-$11 APY. We will need that money for Cat, Spoon, Darnold, and JSN…

 

[flv2]

Chase played through his 4th year. The Bengals had already picked up the 5th year option at $21.816M. A new contract was agreed that replaced the 1-year $21.816M contract with a 3-year $104.941M contract, ($34.98M average). The 1st 2 years are guaranteed and the 3rd year guarantees after the end of the 1st NFL year, (March 2026). The Bengals have an additional option year at $33M, and a 5th year at $44.816M. That final year is there to inflate the contract size and prevent the Bengals from tagging Chase or running down his contract to receive a complimentary pick.

Chase is NOT earning $40.25M per year.

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Ruminator]

OK, this is getting expensive. Time to replace human players with cyborgs that will play for free.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Don’t cut Coop!! I love me some Coop and his leadership.

Ofc I would also love to keep JSN. John’s the GM of the year. Work that magic man!! In Schneider we trust!!

I like coop aswell, but we dont have to pay jsn this year. And after this year coop will likely be done anyway. Jsn's contract is gonna have to wait until Puka's deal gets done. Those 2 are the next big name Wr to get paid and set the market. And his contract is up this year. Jsn is under contract for 2 more years. Kupp will be gone after this year and that money be given to Jsn.

 

[Trackhawk]

Chase played through his 4th year. The Bengals had already picked up the 5th year option at $21.816M. A new contract was agreed that replaced the 1-year $21.816M contract with a 3-year $104.941M contract, ($34.98M average). The 1st 2 years are guaranteed and the 3rd year guarantees after the end of the 1st NFL year, (March 2026). The Bengals have an additional option year at $33M, and a 5th year at $44.816M. That final year is there to inflate the contract size and prevent the Bengals from tagging Chase or running down his contract to receive a complimentary pick.

Chase is NOT earning $40.25M per year.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Of course these are all made up numbers, for one reason or another, but JSN will also be signing a contract with made up numbers, that should be in the neighborhood of 40, even if the chance of ever getting above 33-35 is zero. (Either due to a restructure or a new contract)

 

[onanygivensunday]

JSN is currently the top WR in the league... and he will get a contract commensurate with that... it just doesn't have to be this off-season because of the 5th-year option.

The best strategy for the team is to wait until after next year but not at the risk of losing a mentally and emotionally team-dedicated JSN. That would be a huge mistake.

Based on what I just read (ESPN article), JSN does not expect to be extended immediately... which is a great sign!

 

[Sonichound16]

Worth it. I hope we do make him the highest-paid. These guys should never give discounts.

I get the not giving discounts thing but at some point they are making so much money that 5-10 million doesn't really matter. Playing for a SB contender vs. getting more $$ must weigh into the decision. If you can resign and not buy one more vacation destination then wouldn't that be worth it to be on a team that can compete for the title?

 

[nwHawk]

I would straight up ask him - would you rather have 40mil /yr or 20-25 mil/yr and a good chance at another championship? The Brady Way.

 

[Sonichound16]

I see some flaws in this logic.

A new owner(s) is looking to buy the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks is probably valued anywhere from $9-$11 billion at the time of sale, and your telling me, whoever is willing to cough up possibly $11 billion is scared to pay JSN possibly $114 million in total guarantees??

If they are afraid or don’t want to pay elite NFL players maybe they shouldn’t be buying billion dollar NFL franchises then. Seems like they don’t know what happens when they buy NFL teams.

I’m guessing JSN will get paid and it won’t matter who is the owner when it happens, cause it will happen.

I don't think it is about the $$ value...it is more about what that contract does to the salary cap and the ability to keep a competitive team around that player. If there was no salary cap then contracts would skyrocket.

 

[Grahamhawker]

It might be easier to just sign the team over to JSN.

Kidding, but only a little.

 

[cymatica]

 

[bileever]

From an analytics standpoint, $40 million per year to a wide receiver is not good value. The difference in production between an elite receiver and an above-average one doesn't justify the huge difference in salary. Compare it, for example, to elite running backs, who top out at $20 million, and only 9 RBs make over $10 million per year. In addition, the wide receiver position, unlike quarterback or even offensive linemen, is a position where it is fairly easy to get decent ones in the draft. When you add to that equation the fact that wide receivers suffer a steep decline as they approach 30, it gets very tricky spending that kind of money on a receiver.

Of course, it's often stupid teams that end up setting the new standards for salaries. It was the Dolphins who first paid a WR--Tyreek Hill--$30 million per year in 2022. You could make the argument that in his prime, Hill was worth that kind of money--he's a rare one-of-a-kind talent. But he wasn't going to win you the Super Bowl by himself. To think you're getting good value by paying a WR over $30 million is nonsense. As good as Justin Jefferson is, he isn't the same kind of weapon that Hill was. The Vikings are not going to get $35 million of value out of him. And now there are 22 WRs getting over $20 million per year. I'm pretty sure most of them aren't worth it.

I wonder if the Steelers think DK Metcalf is worth $32 million per year they pay him. Or AJ Brown, Garrett Wilson, Terry McLaurin, Brandon Aiyuk, Jaylen Waddle or DJ Moore?