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[Maulbert]

Even conceding Shanahan is a top 3 OC, y'all seem to forget he's not Santa Clara's OC, he's their head coach.

And if you truly don't understand the significance of the difference, might I direct you to the career of one Norv Turner?

I didn't forget, but Shanahan does run the O and they don't have an OC.

Does that make him a great Head Coach? Nope. That's still to be seen, but there is no question he is a great playcaller.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting he's a bad head coach, if anything, the jury is still out on him. I'm just saying great coordinators don't always make great coaches. Norv Turner, Buddy Ryan, Dom Capers, Marion Campbell, Mike Martz were all middling to terrible HC's, but great coordinators.

 

[Marvin49]

Even conceding Shanahan is a top 3 OC, y'all seem to forget he's not Santa Clara's OC, he's their head coach.

And if you truly don't understand the significance of the difference, might I direct you to the career of one Norv Turner?

I didn't forget, but Shanahan does run the O and they don't have an OC.

Does that make him a great Head Coach? Nope. That's still to be seen, but there is no question he is a great playcaller.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting he's a bad head coach, if anything, the jury is still out on him. I'm just saying great coordinators don't always make great coaches. Norv Turner, Buddy Ryan, Dom Capers, Marion Campbell, Mike Martz were all middling to terrible HC's, but great coordinators.

Totally fair...

...and man, Norv just wouldn't give up. He screwed the Niners big time. Frank Gore had his best season and Alex Smith looked to be turning it around under Norv. He remained the OC the following year until at the last minute SD fired their coach (Marty? Can't remember) and the Niners ended up with....

...Jim Hostler. Sigh.

Agreed on all those coaches as well, but I must confess I don't know who Marion Campbell is.

 

[Maulbert]

Even conceding Shanahan is a top 3 OC, y'all seem to forget he's not Santa Clara's OC, he's their head coach.

And if you truly don't understand the significance of the difference, might I direct you to the career of one Norv Turner?

I didn't forget, but Shanahan does run the O and they don't have an OC.

Does that make him a great Head Coach? Nope. That's still to be seen, but there is no question he is a great playcaller.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting he's a bad head coach, if anything, the jury is still out on him. I'm just saying great coordinators don't always make great coaches. Norv Turner, Buddy Ryan, Dom Capers, Marion Campbell, Mike Martz were all middling to terrible HC's, but great coordinators.

Totally fair...

...and man, Norv just wouldn't give up. He screwed the Niners big time. Frank Gore had his best season and Alex Smith looked to be turning it around under Norv. He remained the OC the following year until at the last minute SD fired their coach (Marty? Can't remember) and the Niners ended up with....

...Jim Hostler. Sigh.

Agreed on all those coaches as well, but I must confess I don't know who Marion Campbell is.

Marion Campbell was a DC for Atlanta in the 70's and Philadelphia in the 80's (he was Vermeil's DC), he also was on the staff with the Vikings and Rams in the 60's. However, he's most well known for having the worst, literally the WORST, win percentage amongst NFL head coaches who coached at least 100 games (34-80-1, .300).

 

[Marvin49]

I didn't forget, but Shanahan does run the O and they don't have an OC.

Does that make him a great Head Coach? Nope. That's still to be seen, but there is no question he is a great playcaller.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting he's a bad head coach, if anything, the jury is still out on him. I'm just saying great coordinators don't always make great coaches. Norv Turner, Buddy Ryan, Dom Capers, Marion Campbell, Mike Martz were all middling to terrible HC's, but great coordinators.

Totally fair...

...and man, Norv just wouldn't give up. He screwed the Niners big time. Frank Gore had his best season and Alex Smith looked to be turning it around under Norv. He remained the OC the following year until at the last minute SD fired their coach (Marty? Can't remember) and the Niners ended up with....

...Jim Hostler. Sigh.

Agreed on all those coaches as well, but I must confess I don't know who Marion Campbell is.

Marion Campbell was a DC for Atlanta in the 70's and Philadelphia in the 80's (he was Vermeil's DC), he also was on the staff with the Vikings and Rams in the 60's. However, he's most well known for having the worst, literally the WORST, win percentage amongst NFL head coaches who coached at least 100 games (34-80-1, .300).

LOL. Good Knowledge.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Sorry, I disagree. He made a shit ton of mistakes in the Super Bowl against the Pats, a whole 2nd half’s worth.

I climb all over Darrell Bevell’s shit much to the dismay of many Hawks fans over one horrific play call which I never will forgive him for in a Super Bowl.

Saint Shanny made a whole half’s worth of shitty play calls in the biggest game of his life while having a 25 point lead at halftime !!!!!!!!!!

Top 3 OC’s don’t piss away 25 point halftime leads in Super Bowls, sorry.

...missed in your argument....

1) He had amassed a 25 point lead in the first place.
2) He doesn't play defense.
3) Thay had the first down at the end if not for a holding call.
4) The Falcons under his leadership were one of the best offenses in NFL history that season and made Matt Ryan the league MVP. Matt. Ryan.
5) If Shanahan were the Seahawks OC, you'd be making the exact reverse argument you are making now.

Nobody is infallible. I'm sure there are many things Shanahan would like to do different if he had it back, but he was HARDLY the reason they lost, and was a HUGE reason they were even in that situation to begin with.

If Shanahan were fired, how long do you think it would take for him to get a job as an OC? He coached MATT SHAUB to a 98.6 QB rating. He coached RGIII to a 102.4 QB rating as a rookie. Matt Ryans rating was 117.1. His previous career high rating had been 99.1.

Hell, he played undrafted Free Agent Nick Mullens to a 90.8 rating and has several members of THIS BOARD saying the Niners already have their QB of the future over Jimmy and that Mullens should start.

What is REALLY interesting is seeing what happens to his QBs after he leaves.

GTFO. Shanahan is one of the best in the business as an OC and just about anyone who pays any attention will tell you that. The only people who don't think that are people who don't WANT it to be true.

You dizzy from all that spin Marvin?

I'll take troll has no viable response for the win.

If you think I’m trolling Marv you’ve learned nothing in your time here.

You think that Shanny walks on water we get it....you also thought the Kraepper walked on water too, even when a lot of Hawks fans here were telling you he was “Captain one read and run”, you didn’t want to hear any of it. Who was right?

 

[94Smith]

That's a ridiculous thing to say! Pretty much all NFL coaches were successful coordinators before they were coaches. Sean McVay, Matt Nagy, Bill Belichick , Sean Payton, Andy Reid, PETE CARROLL.

 

[Maulbert]

That's a ridiculous thing to say! Pretty much all NFL coaches were successful coordinators before they were coaches. Sean McVay, Matt Nagy, Bill Belichick , Sean Payton, Andy Reid, PETE CARROLL.

Who are you calling ridiculous?

 

[Marvin49]

...missed in your argument....

1) He had amassed a 25 point lead in the first place.
2) He doesn't play defense.
3) Thay had the first down at the end if not for a holding call.
4) The Falcons under his leadership were one of the best offenses in NFL history that season and made Matt Ryan the league MVP. Matt. Ryan.
5) If Shanahan were the Seahawks OC, you'd be making the exact reverse argument you are making now.

Nobody is infallible. I'm sure there are many things Shanahan would like to do different if he had it back, but he was HARDLY the reason they lost, and was a HUGE reason they were even in that situation to begin with.

If Shanahan were fired, how long do you think it would take for him to get a job as an OC? He coached MATT SHAUB to a 98.6 QB rating. He coached RGIII to a 102.4 QB rating as a rookie. Matt Ryans rating was 117.1. His previous career high rating had been 99.1.

Hell, he played undrafted Free Agent Nick Mullens to a 90.8 rating and has several members of THIS BOARD saying the Niners already have their QB of the future over Jimmy and that Mullens should start.

What is REALLY interesting is seeing what happens to his QBs after he leaves.

GTFO. Shanahan is one of the best in the business as an OC and just about anyone who pays any attention will tell you that. The only people who don't think that are people who don't WANT it to be true.

You dizzy from all that spin Marvin?

I'll take troll has no viable response for the win.

If you think I’m trolling Marv you’ve learned nothing in your time here.

You think that Shanny walks on water we get it....you also thought the Kraepper walked on water too, even when a lot of Hawks fans here were telling you he was “Captain one read and run”, you didn’t want to hear any of it. Who was right?

No, I've learned plenty. I know that this conversation is going nowhere and you will likely again not address anything I say.

I know your kind. Its all about the dismissal of another argument and no actual substance. For example, saying I think Shanahan "walks on water" when all I did was say its not ludicrous to call him a top 3 OC while acknowledging he made mistakes in the Super Bowl and agreeing with Maulbert that we really don't know if he is a good HC.

Kap? Thats funny. Where were you when I said Harvin and Graham were bad trades? We can play this game all day. You were right about Kap? You say just about every Niner or Niner coach/GM/Owner/Waterboy/Pretzel Vendor sucks, so really hard to take it seriously.

All I ever get from you is ZERO actual debate. Its all "your guy sucks" and any conversation ends with "SPIN!!". Zero substance.

What does that make you? A Troll. I don't THINK you are trolling. I KNOW you are.

 

[Marvin49]

That's a ridiculous thing to say! Pretty much all NFL coaches were successful coordinators before they were coaches. Sean McVay, Matt Nagy, Bill Belichick , Sean Payton, Andy Reid, PETE CARROLL.

Who are you calling ridiculous?

I think he misunderstood the point you were making. You were saying great OCs/DCs don't NECESSARILY make good HCs and he took it as Good OCs/DCs don't EVER make good HCs.

I got your point the first time and of course you are correct. Some guys should just never leave the Coordinator level.

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

I wasn’t aware that Shanahan was calling holding penalties and missed blocks.


Best part about this fake argument: you know darn well you wish he was your team’s offensive coordinator. :stirthepot:

That’s a weak deflection even for you.

He called the passing plays when he should have been running. Again, he had a 25 point lead at halftime against Shady Brady. You run the ball, let the play clock get down to 2 seconds before snapping the ball, and Atlanta puts a Lombardi in the trophy case.

It doesn’t matter if you gain yards or not at that point. It’s not rocket science.

Let’s face it, and be honest, your golden boy crapped the bed.

I’m not the biggest fan of Schotty, but I wouldn’t want Shanny as the OC after choking away a Lombardi.

Lol liar.

What am I lying about?

About not wanting Shanahn as an OC. Later in the year when Wilson has to make miracles because of poor play calling and everyone here is complaining about said play calling, part of you will look with envy while Shanahan makes an offense look much better than its talent deserves, as he has always done.

Anyway, while Shanahan choked some in that Super Bowl, did not the great defensive mind Pete Carroll give up a ten point fourth quarter lead to Tom Brady a couple Super Bowls prior, despite having an all time great defensive roster? Maybe that’s the x-factor here?

 

[Popeyejones]

Wait, so are you saying you'd rather have Schotty than Shanahan or not?

It's okay, no need to deflect or talk around it. Just a one word answer and be honest.

You can’t figure it out from my post? Really?

I don't think its that he doesn't really understand. I think its more of a sense of awe and disbelief that you are asserting that madness. LOL.

No, I seriously didn't understand.

It looks like he's unwilling to answer, so I'll ask you: he was saying he'd prefer Brian Schottenheimer to Kyle Shanahan as an OC?!?!?!


Looking at it again I guess it looks like that's what he's saying, but you're right, I think I might have been misreading it as unclear out of total disbelief. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Wait, so are you saying you'd rather have Schotty than Shanahan or not?

It's okay, no need to deflect or talk around it. Just a one word answer and be honest.

You can’t figure it out from my post? Really?

I don't think its that he doesn't really understand. I think its more of a sense of awe and disbelief that you are asserting that madness. LOL.

No, I seriously didn't understand.

It looks like he's unwilling to answer, so I'll ask you: he was saying he'd prefer Brian Schottenheimer to Kyle Shanahan as an OC?!?!?!


Looking at it again I guess it looks like that's what he's saying, but you're right, I think I might have been misreading it as unclear out of total disbelief. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's the same stubborn cognitive dissonance some of us 49ers fans had back in 2013 when many deluded themselves into thinking Kaepernick was better than Wilson.

 

[Popeyejones]

It's the same stubborn cognitive dissonance some of us 49ers fans had back in 2013 when many deluded themselves into thinking Kaepernick was better than Wilson.

Agreed that was delusional (and even thought it was delusional back then, and said so many times), but in 2013 when people were making that argument it was just wrong, not absolutely categorically insane.

Saying with a straight face that you prefer Brian Schottenheimer as an OC to Kyle Shanahan as an OC is having wandered off the farm, up and down three mountains, through a river, around a peninsula, and deep into the bottom of the ocean.

Honestly, IMO the accurate comparison would be a 9ers fan saying they prefer Dre Greenlaw to Bobby Wagner. They're both starting linebackers in the NFL, but the statement is just patently ridiculous.

 

[Marvin49]

Wait, so are you saying you'd rather have Schotty than Shanahan or not?

It's okay, no need to deflect or talk around it. Just a one word answer and be honest.

You can’t figure it out from my post? Really?

I don't think its that he doesn't really understand. I think its more of a sense of awe and disbelief that you are asserting that madness. LOL.

No, I seriously didn't understand.

It looks like he's unwilling to answer, so I'll ask you: he was saying he'd prefer Brian Schottenheimer to Kyle Shanahan as an OC?!?!?!


Looking at it again I guess it looks like that's what he's saying, but you're right, I think I might have been misreading it as unclear out of total disbelief. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes.

 

[Marvin49]

You can’t figure it out from my post? Really?

I don't think its that he doesn't really understand. I think its more of a sense of awe and disbelief that you are asserting that madness. LOL.

No, I seriously didn't understand.

It looks like he's unwilling to answer, so I'll ask you: he was saying he'd prefer Brian Schottenheimer to Kyle Shanahan as an OC?!?!?!


Looking at it again I guess it looks like that's what he's saying, but you're right, I think I might have been misreading it as unclear out of total disbelief. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's the same stubborn cognitive dissonance some of us 49ers fans had back in 2013 when many deluded themselves into thinking Kaepernick was better than Wilson.

I can cop to that one during the 2012 season and that SB run, but it became clear pretty early in 2013 that it wasn't the case.

 

[Fade]

Kyle Shanahan is the best offensive playcaller in the NFL.

Brian Schottenheimer is an OC in the NFL that is greatly assisted by being in the perfect situation for him.

He has helped Wilson's footwork and pocket mechanics though so much in just 2 offseasons it is ridiculous. He was regressing in this area under Bevell.

Shanny #1
Schotty #22, with a chance to move up if he can show natural progression in year 2.

 

[Sports Hernia]

You dizzy from all that spin Marvin?

I'll take troll has no viable response for the win.

If you think I’m trolling Marv you’ve learned nothing in your time here.

You think that Shanny walks on water we get it....you also thought the Kraepper walked on water too, even when a lot of Hawks fans here were telling you he was “Captain one read and run”, you didn’t want to hear any of it. Who was right?

No, I've learned plenty. I know that this conversation is going nowhere and you will likely again not address anything I say.

I know your kind. Its all about the dismissal of another argument and no actual substance. For example, saying I think Shanahan "walks on water" when all I did was say its not ludicrous to call him a top 3 OC while acknowledging he made mistakes in the Super Bowl and agreeing with Maulbert that we really don't know if he is a good HC.

Kap? Thats funny. Where were you when I said Harvin and Graham were bad trades? We can play this game all day. You were right about Kap? You say just about every Niner or Niner coach/GM/Owner/Waterboy/Pretzel Vendor sucks, so really hard to take it seriously.

All I ever get from you is ZERO actual debate. Its all "your guy sucks" and any conversation ends with "SPIN!!". Zero substance.

What does that make you? A Troll. I don't THINK you are trolling. I KNOW you are.

A troll (you) calling someone else a troll, I’m sure the irony will be lost on you however.

Poor poor Marvin, him and his Niners are always the perpetual victim.

You can’t even admit you were wrong about the Kraepper and most here were right about him, as your fragile ego will not allow it. So sad, as I thought you were evolving. Guess I gave you way too much credit lately.

 

[Sports Hernia]

You can’t figure it out from my post? Really?

I don't think its that he doesn't really understand. I think its more of a sense of awe and disbelief that you are asserting that madness. LOL.

No, I seriously didn't understand.

It looks like he's unwilling to answer, so I'll ask you: he was saying he'd prefer Brian Schottenheimer to Kyle Shanahan as an OC?!?!?!


Looking at it again I guess it looks like that's what he's saying, but you're right, I think I might have been misreading it as unclear out of total disbelief. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's the same stubborn cognitive dissonance some of us 49ers fans had back in 2013 when many deluded themselves into thinking Kaepernick was better than Wilson.

Would that be the same cognitive dissonance saying that Jimmy GQ had “no fatal flaws”?

Asking for a friend.....

 

[Marvin49]

I'll take troll has no viable response for the win.

If you think I’m trolling Marv you’ve learned nothing in your time here.

You think that Shanny walks on water we get it....you also thought the Kraepper walked on water too, even when a lot of Hawks fans here were telling you he was “Captain one read and run”, you didn’t want to hear any of it. Who was right?

No, I've learned plenty. I know that this conversation is going nowhere and you will likely again not address anything I say.

I know your kind. Its all about the dismissal of another argument and no actual substance. For example, saying I think Shanahan "walks on water" when all I did was say its not ludicrous to call him a top 3 OC while acknowledging he made mistakes in the Super Bowl and agreeing with Maulbert that we really don't know if he is a good HC.

Kap? Thats funny. Where were you when I said Harvin and Graham were bad trades? We can play this game all day. You were right about Kap? You say just about every Niner or Niner coach/GM/Owner/Waterboy/Pretzel Vendor sucks, so really hard to take it seriously.

All I ever get from you is ZERO actual debate. Its all "your guy sucks" and any conversation ends with "SPIN!!". Zero substance.

What does that make you? A Troll. I don't THINK you are trolling. I KNOW you are.

A troll (you) calling someone else a troll, I’m sure the irony will be lost on you however.

Poor poor Marvin, him and his Niners are always the perpetual victim.

You can’t even admit you were wrong about the Kraepper and most here were right about him, as your fragile ego will not allow it. So sad, as I thought you were evolving. Guess I gave you way too much credit lately.

1) A mere 2 posts above this one...

I can cop to that one during the 2012 season and that SB run, but it became clear pretty early in 2013 that it wasn't the case.

I was wrong on Kap, though I don't think he's as bad as many have made out. I think they tried to make him a pocket passer and he simply wasn't.

2) I'm no victim. I choose to be here. I know whats gonna happen and I take no issue with it. Its to be expected.

3) This is the trouble I have with posters like you. It doesn't matter WHAT I say, its the same BS response. There is nothing of substance in any of these posts. There are a ton of posters on this site who argue with me, call me a homer, etc, etc, but most of them will actually have some sort of information or a compelling argument. Those are the posters I come here to converse with. All you do is post "Nice Spin" or something of the kind. Its a cheap cop out.

4) Troll:

verb
1.
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.

You are a troll. Your purpose in posting is to elicit a reaction from myself and other Niner fans on this site. That's OK tho. No prob. That's who you are. Just don't deny it.

While you are at it, please name a single time I have posting something with the sole intent of being provocative. I'll wait.

 

[chris98251]

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