Jimmy G

[Washington49er]

Awful lot of speculation by both Hawk fans and 49er fans here after being 11 months out of ACL surgery and only one preseason performance. Seems to me the 49er fans are afraid Jimmy G will be a bust and the Hawk fans are afraid he won't be.

 

[Marvin49]

^^^^ Agreed with what you're saying, but this is also kinda the reverse of what Chris is doing also.

"Well Kaepernick looked good for a year and then he sucked" isn't really that different far off from "Well Matt Ryan looked bad in this offense for a year and then looked great in it for a year."

And I know I'm engaging in the same small sample size meaning making and dime story psychoanalyzing that I'm always arguing against, but I do *kinda* suspect that part of what's going on is JG isn't nearly as even keeled as he comes off and as Shanahan keeps insisting he is.

By that, I mean that last year he got shook by the picks in week 1, and then was afraid to the throw the ball and took a ton of sacks in week 2. After the two first throws last night he also seemed pretty shook to me and deep in his feelings -- there was not point leaving him in longer because he was already shot.

He comes ACROSS as very even keeled -- let's be honest, he comes across like a total handsome idiot type -- but I'm also more open to the possibility that he actually isn't than I was before, and that I've just confused his lack of personality and frat boy dopiness with him being even keeled and not getting stuck in his feelings to the detriment of his play.

That IS something that I think very much happened with Kaepernick when things were going bad.

No, its not, but in the absence of long term data this is what I'm basing what I think will happen off of.

Could it be that he totally flames out? Sure. I am basing my opinion though on the last QB who played in Shanahans offense.

I mean, in reality, this entire thread can be chalked up to "hey, lets wait and see", but wheres the
fun in that?

As for being even keeled....I have no idea. You are seeing it as he feared making a mistake after week 1 and I saw it as him trying to get through reads. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but either way, he needs more time behind center in real games.

 

[Marvin49]

Awful lot of speculation by both Hawk fans and 49er fans here after being 11 months out of ACL surgery and only one preseason performance. Seems to me the 49er fans are afraid Jimmy G will be a bust and the Hawk fans are afraid he won't be.

I think that's accurate.

 

[Popeyejones]

Seems to me the 49er fans are afraid Jimmy G will be a bust and the Hawk fans are afraid he won't be.

I think that's about right.

If forced to put my money where my mouth is I'd bet on him not being particularly bad or particularly good. He'll just be fine. He'll continue to struggle in the areas we already know about and continue to excel in the areas we already know about.

He'll be one of those WILDLY POLARIZING QBs that sports fans can't make sense of, because we simply lack the imagination to acknowledge that a lot of starting QBs aren't "great" or "terrible" and are just okay.

 

[Popeyejones]

I mean, in reality, this entire thread can be chalked up to "hey, lets wait and see", but wheres the fun in that?

:lol:

TRUE.

:2thumbs:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, Washington does make a good point here. :irishdrinkers:

 

[NINEster]

Beathard started in 2017 around week 5 or 6 I think, and Mullens a lot longer in 2018.

Beathard even starting in week 4 last year still had a few weeks of the rest of the offense to sync up a bit.

Meanwhile Jimmy had started last year a tough slate of defenses with an offense that has been slow out of the gate in both Shanahan seasons.

So the point is that all 49er QBs both seasons played relatively well in November/December. Beathard beating the Giants to Jimmy taking over, then Mullens last year.

That's the true commonality to take from it. The offense as a whole functions a lot better as the season goes on. The exact opposite of the Harbaugh teams that came out the gate like gang busters then barely hung on past November.

So, if Jimmy can play the entire season he should be playing *his* best football in November/December. Same would hold true of the other two.

The hope is that this season once and for all will put a lot of this slow starting crap to bed. It's possible they might not have a delayed start this year like the last two.

Being as non homer and objective as I can, the Shanahan/Jimmy era provides the most hope because of upside. Kyle is top 3 OC and Jimmy is the best progression/arm talent Niner QB in awhile. If all goes as planned, they are the solution.

With Harbaugh you had to rely on getting real talent to help Kap and Smith, and make sure that defense was top 3, and needing lots of luck. The 2015 Broncos were the Harbaugh 49ers that got it done...….a very tough formula to follow and build on.

Now, the defense is a concern mostly because of DC...….can't be too sure how good he really is.

Should be an interesting season for Niner fans.

 

[chris98251]

If all goes as planned, they are the solution.

32 teams say that every year, rarely do things go as planned however, but one can wish and hope, millions do every year for their teams.

 

[NINEster]

If all goes as planned, they are the solution.

32 teams say that every year, rarely do things go as planned however, but one can wish and hope, millions do every year for their teams.

I wasn't talking Super Bowl championship which is what your comment implies. Niner fans who saw Harbaugh's team go to 3 straight NFCCs without bringing home the 6th chip understand where you're coming from as well as anyone.

I was referring to seeing your head coach and QB as good enough playcaller/manager and franchise player, respectively. Nothing is permanent anyway, and if a top 5 QB is your definition of the solution you'll be often be waiting more than a decade (if not a few decades) to get that.

If the Chiefs never win a SB with Mahomes is he still the answer with Reid? Has Wilson been the answer since 2013?

By your definition they haven't. :2thumbs:

 

[Washington49er]

Jimmy G look more true to form last night. I think he plugged a few holes in what a lot of people thought was a sinking ship.

Came out a little shaky and threw a couple sloppy balls but settled down and seemed to take command.

I'm thinking the NFC West is going to be a fun division to watch this season.

 

[NINEster]

Jimmy G look more true to form last night. I think he plugged a few holes in what a lot of people thought was a sinking ship.

Came out a little shaky and threw a couple sloppy balls but settled down and seemed to take command.

I'm thinking the NFC West is going to be a fun division to watch this season.

It was good to see the rebound last night.

No game for him this coming Thursday, so we can finally say we're ready for the next 16 from him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, didn't see the highlights, but it sounds like he looked more like a QB? :lol:

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Yeah, didn't see the highlights, but it sounds like he looked more like a QB? :lol:

Here they are. Also Mahomes still looks like the best QB in the league, despite all the "he hasn't proven anything yet" talk, even though he's the third guy ever to throw 50 TDs in a season...

[youtube]feUG2AKhcY4[/youtube]

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, Mahomes is just ridiculous. It was really fun watching him and Russ battle in that game here last season. Two of the best, and the game was back and forth all night.

 

[Popeyejones]

Mahomes is a ton of fun to watch.

Jimmy wasn't as good as his stat line in this game, just as he wasn't as bad in his stat line in the first game.

I counted four plus throws and three minus throws for Jimmy in this one, with the other 13 throws being more or less neutral.

If anything I think it was a good performance, because three of the four plus throws (the out to Goodwin, the TD to Breida, and PERFECT throw up the sideline to James) weren't in the standard suite of throws we already know he's really good on. And in turn, only one of the the three minus throws was a throw that involved something I have questions about him on (the bad decision on the pass to Pettis at the goal line -- I'm not worried about him throwing short outs or over the intermediate middle, which were my two other minus throws).

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Mahomes is a ton of fun to watch.

Jimmy wasn't as good as his stat line in this game, just as he wasn't as bad in his stat line in the first game.

I counted four plus throws and three minus throws for Jimmy in this one, with the other 13 throws being more or less neutral.

If anything I think it was a good performance, because three of the four plus throws (the out to Goodwin, the TD to Breida, and PERFECT throw up the sideline to James) weren't in the standard suite of throws we already know he's really good on. And in turn, only one of the the three minus throws was a throw that involved something I have questions about him on (the bad decision on the pass to Pettis at the goal line -- I'm not worried about him throwing short outs or over the intermediate middle, which were my two other minus throws).

I was campaigning so hard on the 49ers forums for Mahomes in that draft (one on of my now banned accounts, of course), posting gif after gif and video after video, irrationally acting like if I could convince "Coach" and the others that Mahomes would be great because the system isn't what made him dominate in college that the 49ers would draft him. Just praying and begging that Lynch would see what was so obvious based on his college tape. But nope... Lynch wanted to draft his former classmate at Stanford instead. SMMFH. I honestly have not smacked my head on a desk that hard since the 49ers took Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

I've always thought Garoppolo could be an above average, maybe even top ten QB if he fixed his main weakness (reading defenses/seeing things right and quickly). But Mahomes, and pardon me haters, but Mahomes could be considered the GOAT some day. He's certainly top five ever in terms of physical talent. I'd put his arm up there with Marino, Favre and Rodgers no question.

 

[Marvin49]

Mahomes is a ton of fun to watch.

Jimmy wasn't as good as his stat line in this game, just as he wasn't as bad in his stat line in the first game.

I counted four plus throws and three minus throws for Jimmy in this one, with the other 13 throws being more or less neutral.

If anything I think it was a good performance, because three of the four plus throws (the out to Goodwin, the TD to Breida, and PERFECT throw up the sideline to James) weren't in the standard suite of throws we already know he's really good on. And in turn, only one of the the three minus throws was a throw that involved something I have questions about him on (the bad decision on the pass to Pettis at the goal line -- I'm not worried about him throwing short outs or over the intermediate middle, which were my two other minus throws).

Agreed. Some of his bad throws though...I don't know how to judge them. The miss to Pettis early looks like he expected Pettis to be in a different spot judging by his reaction to Pettis after the throw and I have no idea who was right or wrong. I tend to blame Pettis as I have concerns with him to begin with.

There was that WTF throw though. There ALWAYS seems to be one or two, even when he's playing well. He seems to have a tendancy to get away with them most of the time, but the law of averages makes me wonder if that'll always be the case.

Its all a learning process. So many quote the contract and say he shouldn't make those kinds of mistakes, but I really don't care how much he's getting paid. His situation is different than most QBs who get to start early on. His situation dictated the contract, not how far along he was in his development.

Its like when people CRUSH the CJ Beathard pick because they "wasted" a 3rd round pick on him but then neglect to say anything about Mullens as a Free Agent. I really don't care how he got on the team. Does it really matter that a 3rd round pick isn't playing well if the college free agent is clearly an NFL QB?

IE, I don't get hung up on HOW they got on the team and I don't get hung up on the $$$.

Jimmy is still gonna struggle. He needs alot more time executing Kyles offense, and Kyle pretty much says the EXACT SAME THING every time he is asked. He needs that year of playing tome to really get it down on the field, and THAT is what was really lost last year with the ACL.

 

[Marvin49]

Mahomes is a ton of fun to watch.

Jimmy wasn't as good as his stat line in this game, just as he wasn't as bad in his stat line in the first game.

I counted four plus throws and three minus throws for Jimmy in this one, with the other 13 throws being more or less neutral.

If anything I think it was a good performance, because three of the four plus throws (the out to Goodwin, the TD to Breida, and PERFECT throw up the sideline to James) weren't in the standard suite of throws we already know he's really good on. And in turn, only one of the the three minus throws was a throw that involved something I have questions about him on (the bad decision on the pass to Pettis at the goal line -- I'm not worried about him throwing short outs or over the intermediate middle, which were my two other minus throws).

I was campaigning so hard on the 49ers forums for Mahomes in that draft (one on of my now banned accounts, of course), posting gif after gif and video after video, irrationally acting like if I could convince "Coach" and the others that Mahomes would be great because the system isn't what made him dominate in college that the 49ers would draft him. Just praying and begging that Lynch would see what was so obvious based on his college tape. But nope... Lynch wanted to draft his former classmate at Stanford instead. SMMFH. I honestly have not smacked my head on a desk that hard since the 49ers took Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

I've always thought Garoppolo could be an above average, maybe even top ten QB if he fixed his main weakness (reading defenses/seeing things right and quickly). But Mahomes, and pardon me haters, but Mahomes could be considered the GOAT some day. He's certainly top five ever in terms of physical talent. I'd put his arm up there with Marino, Favre and Rodgers no question.

I really liked Mahomes as well and wanted the 49ers to draft him...

...but in fairness I did NOT want them to use their first round pick. I was hoping he'd fall into the second round and that wasn't even close to happening.

Additionally, as much as I liked him, I'd be lying if I said I forecasted THIS. I just thought he was my favorite of the guys available in a not-so-stupendous QB class.

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Mahomes is a ton of fun to watch.

Jimmy wasn't as good as his stat line in this game, just as he wasn't as bad in his stat line in the first game.

I counted four plus throws and three minus throws for Jimmy in this one, with the other 13 throws being more or less neutral.

If anything I think it was a good performance, because three of the four plus throws (the out to Goodwin, the TD to Breida, and PERFECT throw up the sideline to James) weren't in the standard suite of throws we already know he's really good on. And in turn, only one of the the three minus throws was a throw that involved something I have questions about him on (the bad decision on the pass to Pettis at the goal line -- I'm not worried about him throwing short outs or over the intermediate middle, which were my two other minus throws).

I was campaigning so hard on the 49ers forums for Mahomes in that draft (one on of my now banned accounts, of course), posting gif after gif and video after video, irrationally acting like if I could convince "Coach" and the others that Mahomes would be great because the system isn't what made him dominate in college that the 49ers would draft him. Just praying and begging that Lynch would see what was so obvious based on his college tape. But nope... Lynch wanted to draft his former classmate at Stanford instead. SMMFH. I honestly have not smacked my head on a desk that hard since the 49ers took Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

I've always thought Garoppolo could be an above average, maybe even top ten QB if he fixed his main weakness (reading defenses/seeing things right and quickly). But Mahomes, and pardon me haters, but Mahomes could be considered the GOAT some day. He's certainly top five ever in terms of physical talent. I'd put his arm up there with Marino, Favre and Rodgers no question.

I really liked Mahomes as well and wanted the 49ers to draft him...

...but in fairness I did NOT want them to use their first round pick. I was hoping he'd fall into the second round and that wasn't even close to happening.

Additionally, as much as I liked him, I'd be lying if I said I forecasted THIS. I just thought he was my favorite of the guys available in a not-so-stupendous QB class.

Lol I was hoping the 49ers would trade an additional pick to move up to 1 to make sure we got him.

I had such a buener for him.

 

[Popeyejones]

Mahomes is a ton of fun to watch.

Jimmy wasn't as good as his stat line in this game, just as he wasn't as bad in his stat line in the first game.

I counted four plus throws and three minus throws for Jimmy in this one, with the other 13 throws being more or less neutral.

If anything I think it was a good performance, because three of the four plus throws (the out to Goodwin, the TD to Breida, and PERFECT throw up the sideline to James) weren't in the standard suite of throws we already know he's really good on. And in turn, only one of the the three minus throws was a throw that involved something I have questions about him on (the bad decision on the pass to Pettis at the goal line -- I'm not worried about him throwing short outs or over the intermediate middle, which were my two other minus throws).

Agreed. Some of his bad throws though...I don't know how to judge them. The miss to Pettis early looks like he expected Pettis to be in a different spot judging by his reaction to Pettis after the throw and I have no idea who was right or wrong. I tend to blame Pettis as I have concerns with him to begin with.

There was that WTF throw though. There ALWAYS seems to be one or two, even when he's playing well. He seems to have a tendancy to get away with them most of the time, but the law of averages makes me wonder if that'll always be the case.

Its all a learning process. So many quote the contract and say he shouldn't make those kinds of mistakes, but I really don't care how much he's getting paid. His situation is different than most QBs who get to start early on. His situation dictated the contract, not how far along he was in his development.

Its like when people CRUSH the CJ Beathard pick because they "wasted" a 3rd round pick on him but then neglect to say anything about Mullens as a Free Agent. I really don't care how he got on the team. Does it really matter that a 3rd round pick isn't playing well if the college free agent is clearly an NFL QB?

IE, I don't get hung up on HOW they got on the team and I don't get hung up on the $$$.

Jimmy is still gonna struggle. He needs alot more time executing Kyles offense, and Kyle pretty much says the EXACT SAME THING every time he is asked. He needs that year of playing tome to really get it down on the field, and THAT is what was really lost last year with the ACL.

100% agreed on all of this.

The transition now though is they're out of cap room so they can't spend their way out of draft mistakes anymore (the two big FA acquisitions this year were basically replacements for them busting on Solly at edge and Foster at LB in the 1st round two years ago)..

TBH I think all of this is more or less a crapshoot, moving forward FA definitely isn't going to be the tool they've been using it as to get wherever they're at now in their rebuild.