Jimmy G

[SoulfishHawk]

Not when he signed his deal. That was a ridiculous amount of $ to pay a guy who had won some meaningless games. NOW has nothing to do with the fact that they showed desperation.

 

[bmorepunk]

That cap hit (16th among QBs) isn't bad this year, given that the team is in relative disarray and trying to figure things out anyway. And they do have that out after this year that results in three years of dead cap money that are $4.2/$2.8/$1.4 million. So far it hasn't been a huge gamble since they were missing so much last season that the $37 million cap hit didn't really impact things. And this year is only $19.35 million, which is what teams who have had to pay are shelling out for serviceable, not even good, quarterbacks.

The worst case scenario for the 49ers this season is he does enough to seem like he might be worth it, then they don't take the out and get stuck with the last three years of the deal with $26 million+ cap hits and he really under performs. If he's not really blowing the doors off, they'll be looking at a group of mixed performances from this season trying to figure out if he's worth it, and will err on the side of keeping him, because the QB market is so tight.

 

[chris98251]

Battle for the top spot, Kyler Murray or Jimmy Grab a Ho for worst QB in the NFC West right now.

Jimmy may end up David Carr ish or Ric Mirer like now, once they get hurt they lose that edge and fearlessness and what made them a starter.

 

[Popeyejones]

The worst case scenario for the 49ers this season is he does enough to seem like he might be worth it, then they don't take the out and get stuck with the last three years of the deal with $26 million+ cap hits and he really under performs. If he's not really blowing the doors off, they'll be looking at a group of mixed performances from this season trying to figure out if he's worth it, and will err on the side of keeping him, because the QB market is so tight.

100% agreed, and great point.

It's the Flacco-tier QBs that get teams in commitment traps and long-term trouble, IMO.

(referring to younger Flacco, not current Flacco)

 

[UK_Seahawk]

So they wasted a load of money on him last season but it's fine because they not wasting quite as much this season?

 

[Popeyejones]

So they wasted a load of money on him last season but it's fine because they not wasting quite as much this season?

Yeah, you get it.

Sunk costs are a real thing.

It's why I was agreeing with Bmore above, and why, given his contract structure, I'd much rather him be terrible this year than just good enough to keep, but not good enough to really do anything with.

If you want the 9ers to suck for as long as possible, you DO NOT want him to suck and get benched. You want him to be mediocre.

 

[Marvin49]

LOL....

....I like how we have already written him off and are talking about the wasted $$$.

It was three series in a preseason game and his first game action in 11 months after a torn ACL. LOL.

I'm not buying the whole "rusty" argument. He looked scared, period.

GTFO. LOL.

I am making no predictions of excellence, but I think you guys are burying him a bit fast. LOL.

It was 6 passes. SIX.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And one that should have been a pick 6. Sugar coat it all you want, he looked panicked and scared.

 

[Marvin49]

And one that should have been a pick 6. Sugar coat it all you want, he looked panicked and scared.

No sugar coating anything. In fact I was the first here to say he looked skittish.

My point is its a very long road from having 6 bad passes after 11 months off and an ACL tear to he's a bust.

People talk about the money all the time, but they do so in a vacuum...as if there was another option to keep him under contract. He was simply the next guy up. The money had to get spent anyway due to the CBA minimum requirements, they front-loaded the hell out of it, and they gave themselves an out.

Will he be a superstar? Will he be a bust? No idea, but people talking like the book has already been written crack me up. Its wishful thinking. I''ve read the "he only has 10 starts" argument 1000 times, but it can just as easily be read the other way.

Matt Ryan didn't excel in Shanahans system until year 2. Jimmy hasn't played enough in the system to reach that level of understanding.

This isn't meant as an excuse. He didn't play well and made poor decisions. My point is that there is alot more story to tell before the book is written.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^^ Basically the same conclusion that Orr made on MMQB today:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/20/jimmy ... er-broncos

At the end of '17 when he won five straight I thought people declaring him as the next great thing seriously needed to pump their brakes, just as a think people declaring him as trash after a bad practice and six bad passes in a pre-season game seriously need to pump their brakes.

If anyone wanted to bet on him being a top 10 quarterback OR a bottom 10 quarterback in the NFL this year I'd take that bet in a heartbeat, because we really don't know much yet, and that person would be giving me just over two thirds of the available outcomes.

 

[Ramfan128]

He was a Patriot, so he's always been overhyped.

Going to a legacy team didn't help.

Winning five straight games to close the season, forget about it.

He's always been an unknown/mediocre QB who has potential. This preseason game did as much as his 7.5 full starts with the 49ers did the last two years to convince me of his caliber - nothing. They can get out of his contract. Reminds me of my stance on Goff when McVay was hired: we actually had the next years first round pick, so it was going to be a win/win - Goff either proved himself decent, or he was terrible and we would have had a high draft pick (and obviously would not have traded for Brandin Cooks).

Niners are in that boat now - either he's good enough or he's not and they'll be drafting a QB next year. Mediocrity is possible, but I put that in the "not good enough" category - the Niners don't have enough talent for a mediocre QB to carry them outside of the top 10, so I imagine if they're picking inside the top 10, they'll be targeting a QB.

 

[knownone]

^^^^ Basically the same conclusion that Orr made on MMQB today:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/20/jimmy ... er-broncos

At the end of '17 when he won five straight I thought people declaring him as the next great thing seriously needed to pump their brakes, just as a think people declaring him as trash after a bad practice and six bad passes in a pre-season game seriously need to pump their brakes.

If anyone wanted to bet on him being a top 10 quarterback OR a bottom 10 quarterback in the NFL this year I'd take that bet in a heartbeat, because we really don't know much yet, and that person would be giving me just over two thirds of the available outcomes.

Unless gamblers use a different form of math, Orr should check his math. He'd have less than 2/3rds of the available outcomes.

Depending on how you determine what quantifies a top 10 or bottom 10 QB, this might actually be a worth while bet to take up.

 

[Popeyejones]

That's me, not Orr. The all caps on "OR" was confusing on my part and supposed to signal different bets/clauses.

Even money Bet A would be top 10 and even money Bet B would be bottom 10. That's what I meant.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[chris98251]

We have seen the effect a bad injury has on a QB here, Jim Zorn had a nasty ass broken leg and was never the same, he healed but just wasn't the same.

 

[NINEster]

I was not happy to see that performance yesterday. It had it's legit excuses that people can pull up (i.e. no game planning, no starters, Jimmy's rusty, Jimmy's scared), but it sucks that such a thing would happen and he didn't get a real drive off.

It kinda reminds me of Kap's 2015 campaign before the regular season started. He didn't have an awful 2014 by any means, but it wasn't quite up to his standards. And the media was relentless in challenging him as if he was still a decent QB. The media affected his perception so much that he went over the top to change his style of play and never recovered.

I'll say this about Jimmy:

I see either stardom or perhaps we've yet again got another lightning in a bottle scenario (doubtful but after Kap, it feels like a curse for Niner QBs). Other QBs are seemingly allowed to be unaffected by defensive coordinators and media pressure it feels like.

However there is no Alex Smith safe, good but not good enough, style of play here. If Garoppolo is going to resemble his play of old at some point, then it's definitely going to be a very high level of play that scares opponents.

I'm not a spoiled football fan. If you ask me what I want in 2019, I just want JG to play 16 games minimum, post season if possible. I'm not going to ask him to be Joe Montana or anything. I really just want him to be what he is, for better or worse. Last year's injury gave the 49ers Bosa, but don't want anymore star players at the top of the draft for awhile....

Don't want Alex Smith or a QB like him back (Mullens is just that, just an economy version). Smith to his credit once Harbaugh and Reid took hold of him had a rather high floor for a QB to never make you worry all that much - he'd be elite if he could be a playmaker more often like Wilson. But come January or against prime time teams, you knew it was gonna come down to whether he could channel a 1 in 15 type game.

Ride or die. This entire football team's future hopes are rested on 10.

 

[NINEster]

And one that should have been a pick 6. Sugar coat it all you want, he looked panicked and scared.

No sugar coating anything. In fact I was the first here to say he looked skittish.

My point is its a very long road from having 6 bad passes after 11 months off and an ACL tear to he's a bust.

People talk about the money all the time, but they do so in a vacuum...as if there was another option to keep him under contract. He was simply the next guy up. The money had to get spent anyway due to the CBA minimum requirements, they front-loaded the hell out of it, and they gave themselves an out.

Will he be a superstar? Will he be a bust? No idea, but people talking like the book has already been written crack me up. Its wishful thinking. I''ve read the "he only has 10 starts" argument 1000 times, but it can just as easily be read the other way.

Matt Ryan didn't excel in Shanahans system until year 2. Jimmy hasn't played enough in the system to reach that level of understanding.

This isn't meant as an excuse. He didn't play well and made poor decisions. My point is that there is alot more story to tell before the book is written.

I really dgaf about Jimmy's salary.

Alex Smith was $8M per year his last two years with the 49ers...…...a great "deal" perhaps the best deal in the league that year until Kap took over (which doesn't count really), but at the end of the day you either have it or you don't.

I think going forward we're going to see some real philosophical issues at battle here:

Sean McVay's coddling of Jared Goff
Kyle Shanahan's non coddling of Matt Ryan, Jimmy G, etc....

It's very possible that Jimmy G could look "great" going back to the old 2017 pared down playbook and Shanahan in the helmet. He had 3 offseasons before he started a game in the Patriots system which I'm sure isn't as complex as Shanahan's (and hence he looked good in NE as well).

But what's better for overall QB growth?

Goff is seen as the higher floor QB right now for sure, but not the higher ceiling in many people's eyes. I think a lot of it is probably coaching. Too early to tell on the intangibles.

 

[Sports Hernia]

It’s funny watching some niner fans backpeddle on JimmyGQ, but at the same time don’t want to admit Mullens may very likely be a better QB when it’s said and done.

Of course a lot of Niner fans ego’s are tied to Jimmy as they went “all in” on him.

Reading the denialzone over the past year and a half some there were already measuring him for his HOF jacket.

Like I’ve already said up thread, for a guy who some have said here, JGQ has “No fatal flaws”, he sure has a lot of fatal flaws.

8)

 

[SF49r]

If he's playing like this week 5 then I'll be worried and be all on the Mullens bandwagon that's if he makes it that far and doesn't get hurt :34853_doh:

Same thing about Kyler Murray too, I'll wait until week 5 of the regular season and not judge him based on that 1 preseason game

 

[Washington49er]

Game 2 of preseason, it don't mean a thing. They basically have 6 or 7 plays they run so I'm not expecting spectacular.

I do see some positives overall, 8 qtrs of play only allowing 1 TD, and moving the ball and scoring from the red zone.