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I know many were high on taking Jesse Williams however he seems very far from contributing. I haven't heard much on him from the coaching staff and it will be interesting to see what happens to him come cut down day. I am also aware we traded up for him but one thing I learned the last few years is these guys aren't afraid to pull the trigger on getting rid of someone they think can't live up to what they are looking for. Yes it's been only 2 pre season games but he has done nothing with his opportunities. Anyone else feel this way too?
 

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I think he needs to strengthen his knee. I went to the game last night, and when he was in I watched him closely. For such a big guy, he gets eaten up way too easily. He needs to learn how to shed blocks, and far too many times gets pushed out of the play. A few times, he even got pushed to the turf...which really surprised me.

I don't think his knee is 100%.

They took him in the 5th because it was low risk. I expect he will make the team, but I agree his contributing days seem down range.
 

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They have some tough decisions but if it comes down to Williams or someone like Ware i'd keep Ware and put him on the practice squad.
 
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General Manager":2rjbght4 said:
They have some tough decisions but if it comes down to Williams or someone like Ware i'd keep Ware and put him on the practice squad.

Not so sure he would make it to the squad without someone else claiming him.
 

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seabowl":nywr7col said:
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They have some tough decisions but if it comes down to Williams or someone like Ware i'd keep Ware and put him on the practice squad.

Not so sure he would make it to the squad without someone else claiming him.

He hasn't done anything.
 

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Wonder if Williams would be a candidate for IR. If they can convince him his knees need to heal more, maybe he would agree to go on IR and see what happens next year?
 

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i still can't believe Williams got pancaked on a passing play.....
 

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Ware would probably get claimed, but I don't think Williams has really shown anything that would warrant a waiver claim by another team. I could be wrong, but it certainly wouldn't help if he got cut after the entire league knew Seattle's biggest need was at DT before the draft.
 

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Also, this kind of shows how plugged in the FO is on scouting. They graded Hill higher, even though Williams was better known and the selection everyone on this site geeked out over. So far, looks like Hill is the better player. Certainly more NFL ready as of now.
 

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I think he's very much Red Bryant 2.0; much better suited to playing a 2 gap 5 tech end. he's very big and very long*, but all his weight is up high. he doesn't have a big enough ass to get any kind of push off the line and just gets rolled over. He seriously has tooth pick legs.

Trouble is, we already have a Red Bryant and I question if the position is important enough to dedicate two specialized players to it, especially when we have Michael Bennett in the house who can play the position well too.

*that's what she said
 

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He just needs a year of true coaching both in the gym and on the field. We pretty much sat Howard last year and rarely activated him, so we can do the same with Williams.

But I do think if his knee is an issue they may very well IR him for the year to save a spot for someone else. But I really don't see them giving up on him this soon at all.
 

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I just LOVE the cultural shift brought on by Schneider and company. Not only do we now expect 5th rounders to start, but we want them to dominate by game 2 of preseason! I almost feel sorry for the other 31 teams come draft day.
 

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seesurfers":31utzap9 said:
I just LOVE the cultural shift brought on by Schneider and company. Not only do we now expect 5th rounders to start, but we want them to dominate by game 2 of preseason! I almost feel sorry for the other 31 teams come draft day.

True. It is humorous to read some posts expecting "PRO" performances from rookies so soon after just getting out of college.
 

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We might want to stop paying our scout who watches SEC Football. Carpenter, Simon, Williams, Kris Durham, Levingston and even Jay Howard all have under achieved. KJ Wright is the only guy they hit on. And before people start talking about it being too early, well let me explain....

Simon is a self entitled prima dona. He doesn't work hard and has gotten this far by god given talent. The strength coach wouldn't even talk about him and put him on a list of guys who were lazy while at LSU. His arrest, I don't even care because it's Simon being Simon. From what I hear the cop was just trying to break up a loud social event. It didn't help that Simon wasn't compliant though. Just showed his self entitlement.

Carpenter has been here 3 years and has never been in game shape. Still isn't.

Williams is over rated. He was actually pretty mediocre at Alabama but was surrounded by so much talent he got 1 on 1's and did okay. Nothing special. His fan claim to fame was playing fullback in short yardage situations. Never was dominant and I laughed at people on this message board who became huge fanboys. Yet, Jordan Hill and his athleticism and desire was being overlooked.

Durham was the consummate 1 hit wonder. He wasn't proven. Played like 5 good games in 4 years or so. Just a freak of nature athlete like Konz.

Howard is almost the same as Durham. He still has potential because of Quinn. He may shape into a role player some day. Thats a big MAYBE though.

Whatever happened to that guy Pep Levingston? I don't even think that dude started at LSU? I live in Louisiana and barely heard of him.

Whoever is the SEC Scout is gets a "D". KJ saves his bacon from being an F bomb.
 

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They traded up for Simon, not Williams. I can see them putting Williams on IR. His knee is bulky and he really needs and off-season to build strength in his legs and trunk. When you watch him play he looks fine when he stays low to the ground, the problem is all of his strength is in his upper body and offensive linemen just need to get under and into his pads to lift him up, once he is lifted he is often thrown to the ground. I noted all this in an earlier thread called "I don't think Jesse Williams will make the team."
 

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I know some fans of other teams that would love for their teams to pick up ware. That doesn't mean a team would, but a lot of our backups are getting national recognition, and I don't see Ware lasting to the PS.
 

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I expected this, honestly. I watched quite a bit of those vs videos of him on youtube and you can get a good grasp of what a player is because they aren't just highlights. Jesse generally spend a more time on the ground than other DTs and doesn't do well against double teams.

Now, does this have to do with the knee? Sure, to an extent, but I had warned about this even when he was a healthy junior. He's very top heavy and has skinny legs. That combined with the fact that he often plays too high is not a good combination.

If he can learn to keep that pad level down it will help him a lot because he does have a decent burst off the LOS even with the chicken legs. He's never going to be a 1 tech/NT, IMO, but he can get to a point where he's dangerous playing the outside shoulder of the G on a 3 tech using that 1st step, good lean, and learn to use that bench press max weight to control the hands of OL. The bench press stat is nice to hear for the average fan, but in terms of football functionality is has a limited scope of use until the player can become proficient in using it in a technical manor where it becomes an amplified asset.

I think he can get to being a valuable football player though. He's not unlike our own Red Bryant, who also needed to learn to play with better leverage.
 

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Stoned Cold":3fvslyhn said:
We might want to stop paying our scout who watches SEC Football. Carpenter, Simon, Williams, Kris Durham, Levingston and even Jay Howard all have under achieved. KJ Wright is the only guy they hit on. And before people start talking about it being too early, well let me explain....

Simon is a self entitled prima dona. He doesn't work hard and has gotten this far by god given talent. The strength coach wouldn't even talk about him and put him on a list of guys who were lazy while at LSU. His arrest, I don't even care because it's Simon being Simon. From what I hear the cop was just trying to break up a loud social event. It didn't help that Simon wasn't compliant though. Just showed his self entitlement.

Carpenter has been here 3 years and has never been in game shape. Still isn't.

Williams is over rated. He was actually pretty mediocre at Alabama but was surrounded by so much talent he got 1 on 1's and did okay. Nothing special. His fan claim to fame was playing fullback in short yardage situations. Never was dominant and I laughed at people on this message board who became huge fanboys. Yet, Jordan Hill and his athleticism and desire was being overlooked.

Durham was the consummate 1 hit wonder. He wasn't proven. Played like 5 good games in 4 years or so. Just a freak of nature athlete like Konz.

Howard is almost the same as Durham. He still has potential because of Quinn. He may shape into a role player some day. Thats a big MAYBE though.

Whatever happened to that guy Pep Levingston? I don't even think that dude started at LSU? I live in Louisiana and barely heard of him.

Whoever is the SEC Scout is gets a "D". KJ saves his bacon from being an F bomb.
Love that 20/20 hindsight vision
 

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Howard I think can be a heck of a 3 tech. Great 1st step and a hell of an athlete for a DT. I thought he had a very good, disruptive game at SD and he needs to stay healthy and build on that.
 

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Hawkfan77":1har3cfg said:
Stoned Cold":1har3cfg said:
We might want to stop paying our scout who watches SEC Football. Carpenter, Simon, Williams, Kris Durham, Levingston and even Jay Howard all have under achieved. KJ Wright is the only guy they hit on. And before people start talking about it being too early, well let me explain....

Simon is a self entitled prima dona. He doesn't work hard and has gotten this far by god given talent. The strength coach wouldn't even talk about him and put him on a list of guys who were lazy while at LSU. His arrest, I don't even care because it's Simon being Simon. From what I hear the cop was just trying to break up a loud social event. It didn't help that Simon wasn't compliant though. Just showed his self entitlement.

Carpenter has been here 3 years and has never been in game shape. Still isn't.

Williams is over rated. He was actually pretty mediocre at Alabama but was surrounded by so much talent he got 1 on 1's and did okay. Nothing special. His fan claim to fame was playing fullback in short yardage situations. Never was dominant and I laughed at people on this message board who became huge fanboys. Yet, Jordan Hill and his athleticism and desire was being overlooked.

Durham was the consummate 1 hit wonder. He wasn't proven. Played like 5 good games in 4 years or so. Just a freak of nature athlete like Konz.

Howard is almost the same as Durham. He still has potential because of Quinn. He may shape into a role player some day. Thats a big MAYBE though.

Whatever happened to that guy Pep Levingston? I don't even think that dude started at LSU? I live in Louisiana and barely heard of him.

Whoever is the SEC Scout is gets a "D". KJ saves his bacon from being an F bomb.
Love that 20/20 hindsight vision

Say what you want about me SELLOUT. Bottom line is we suck at drafting in the SEC.

Unlike you SELLOUT, I backed my opinion on experience, observations, and some facts.
 
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