I've said it a million times.

[cymatica]

We scored 31 points.

Stats always tell the whole story

 

[StoneCold]

We scored 31 points.

Stats always tell the whole story

Ain't it da truth.

 

[hawk45]

What I don't understand is what magic adjustment cable made on the line in the second half that wouldn't have been obvious going into the game.
It's a blitz heavy division foe FFS. You shouldn't need a half for your unit to show up. Just an absolute failure of coaching.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

Moneyball isn't working. I understand the logic but it did'nt work. Need to rethink this strategy this offseason.

When did the "moneyball" phase begin exactly? If what we have over the last 5 years "isn't working", then we are some spoiled fans. There is no fool-proof philosophy in this league- that's the deal here. Our expectation as fans has reached "why can't we be New England" proportions. That's part of the problem.

Every philosophy/model can only account for tangibles...cost, roster positions, schemes/playbook, draft capital, "talent/athleticism", FA/trades...but you absolutely cannot model human behavior and work ethic, attitude, confidence, momentum, injuries/timing, leadership...there is always finger-crossing amongst the ranks in EVERY organization.

This year, we have a team that has regressed on both sides of the ball, but remember:

We started the season with 14 rookies on the 53
Had to replace several KEY POSITIONS with rookies
Russell was injured and our offensive playbook was turned upside down
Rawls was injured
Chancellor was injured
Bennett was injured
Lockett was injured, now permanently
ET has been out (1-3 since, defense easily below league average now)

How can we expect NOT to regress after looking back on this season? There has been ZERO continuity on our weekly starting lineups.

The fact that we're in the playoffs, division champs, likely 10-game winners is a testament to the coaching staff and the grit and perseverance of our entire roster. My expectations are simple: I EXPECT EVERY PLAYER TO GIVE 100% and leave it all on the field...and I feel like that is happening but just haven't reached the level of execution as a whole that we've seen in years past. If this exact same roster we're to be taken into next season completely intact and the same, and played a relatively injury-free 16 games (akin to '13)...we'd be a 12-win team.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

What I don't understand is what magic adjustment cable made on the line in the second half that wouldn't have been obvious going into the game.
It's a blitz heavy division foe FFS. You shouldn't need a half for your unit to show up. Just an absolute failure of coaching.

This is the same coaching staff that beat NE on the road.

We haven't had to deal with rookies at multiple positions in the same position group in years. Inconsistency should be expected.

 

[ringless]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

 

[mrt144]

Our O-Line is indeed bad. No one will dispute that point.

But they aren't the ones who gave up 34 points today. Our defense has many issues as well. A lot of it is on the coaches game plan and a in-game adjustments. But individual players screwed up big time this game.

I'm putting this loss though squarely on PC. There is absolutely no reason for this team to have loss this game. It is his loss. He is not getting thru to this team anymore.

Our defense has many issues like

1. Not getting home to the QB often enough
2. Hurt players without sufficient depth to possibly cover the lost talent
3. Getting outcoached on a handful of plays per game

But a fumble that gave up a super short field, 10 points left on the field through sheer incompetence on offense and special teams, a deflected punt that went 6 yards?

The offense had every opportunity to tilt the game in their favor and just couldn't. How often do teams not get any points mere inches from the goalline?

 

[mrt144]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

He's been tasked with making a Hyundai and is churning out Ford Pintos with the occasional Taurus Wagon

 

[LoneHawkFan]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

He's been tasked with making a Hyundai and is churning out Ford Pintos with the occasional Taurus Wagon

I would consider yesterday's 2nd half as close to a Ferrari as we've ever been, no? Yes it took an adjustment...a line w inexperience at every position had to make adjustments...but they made them and performed as good as they have all season. Your "Ford Taurus" metaphor works for, like, our 1992 version.

 

[mrt144]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

He's been tasked with making a Hyundai and is churning out Ford Pintos with the occasional Taurus Wagon

I would consider yesterday's 2nd half as close to a Ferrari as we've ever been, no? Yes it took an adjustment...a line w inexperience at every position had to make adjustments...but they made them and performed as good as they have all season. Your "Ford Taurus" metaphor works for, like, our 1992 version.

I had Sweezy in mind with the Ford Taurus. Utility and some resale value for the person who needs a wagon.

 

[Sign37now]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

He's been tasked with making a Hyundai and is churning out Ford Pintos with the occasional Taurus Wagon

Hey! I had Ford Pinto once...take it easy...

 

[mrt144]

To be fair the Browns have given up 21 more sacks, and 27 more QB hits this year than Seattle.

I remember a year when the Cardinals had a worse O-line than this when we had Kolb I believe. I think we almost gave up 60 sacks that season.

How much is Cable, and how much is what he's been given to work with. The guy has been asked to make a Ferrari, on a 10k budget.

He's been tasked with making a Hyundai and is churning out Ford Pintos with the occasional Taurus Wagon

Hey! I had Ford Pinto once...take it easy...

I've only owned Fords - 1992 Ford Escort Hatchback. Enough to swear off driving forever.

 

[Sign37now]

My Pinto actually got stolen if you can believe that. They wanted to cool wheels I had just put on it. Never saw it again..

 

[nanomoz]

I'm starting to question coaching and awareness. There are so many free/ nearly free runners, and dudes in blue that don't have a body on someone.

 

[sdog1981]

We need a draft investment sticky.

Since 2011

Olinemen drafted

1st round: 2
2nd round: 1
3rd round: 2
4th round: 2
5th round: 0
6th round: 3
7th round: 2

Total: 12

First pick regardless of round: 3


50 free agents. That is 10 players per position on the Oline.

Tom Cable is a specialist in failure.

 

[Leee-roy]

Glownski was the worst of the worst my eyes told me. Seriously were at the one and glownski dives to the right to cut block and leaves his man wide open straight to the qb?

Arizona put up 41on new Orleans the week before and I was told it didn't matter, well, yes it did matter. They could only get 34 on us but their confidence was showing.

I would like to once again see major changes on our o line.

Oh my gosh, Glow has been such a huge disappointment. I was looking forward to him finally giving this team a staple at LG. He fits the profile to the tee. Seasoned college guard who is big and nasty. Cable is the problem. He has no idea what he's doing. If this team had even a decent offensive line coach, we probably wouldn't even be having any of these conversations.

YESS!!

 

[CodeWarrior]

The coaching is somewhat deficient. The incessant cuts aren't working yet no changes are made. Watch how often our guards throw a cut only to have the DL power through/over them. It's silly at this point. Only thing I can come up with is Cable knows his guys can't win individual matchups and he's been reduced to a cut and pray philosophy.

 

[cymatica]

The coaching is somewhat deficient. The incessant cuts aren't working yet no changes are made. Watch how often our guards throw a cut only to have the DL power through/over them. It's silly at this point. Only thing I can come up with is Cable knows his guys can't win individual matchups and he's been reduced to a cut and pray philosophy.

Bet they could win those matchups with someone coaching them proper technique

 

[hawkfan68]

Since Cable got here, OL has been the weakest unit on the team. That still hasn't changed. The Pats don't have a very good OL but somehow they still keep winning.

 

[sdog1981]

Since Cable got here, OL has been the weakest unit on the team. That still hasn't changed. The Pats don't have a very good OL but somehow they still keep winning.

They have an outstanding Oline coach Dante Scarnecchia. He has been with the team since 1991 took 3 years off and came back this year to help the Oline.

He has turned nobodies into Pro Bowl and All-Pro linemen. He gets a hold of a player and coaches them to be better. Whereas Cable gets a hold of a guy and coaches them to be worse.