It's over for AR in Indy

[hox]

Lost the job the Daniel Jones? Ouch. Knew this kid was overhyped in that draft.

 

[Torc]

Even if these said great QBs that got drafted in the first round sat
for two years, it doesn't mean they wouldn't bust..
Most QBs bust out of the NFL for various reasons and most of it is
on them.
You get your chance, you better show up and do all possible to prove
yourself.

Geno sucked when he was thrown to the wolves as a rookie. So did Darnold. Both of them are much better now.

Steve Young sucked with the Buccaneers. He improved just a bit when a competent team developed his skills and sat him behind a veteran.

I'm not saying that every pick has the talent to develop into a competent starting QB. But most teams throw their highly touted rookies into the fire and then give up on them when they don't do well right off the bat.

 

[Kamcussionator]

AR15 lost his job to Daniel Jones that lost his job to Tommy DeVito. Drew Lock started when DeVito got hurt, but was let go after the season leaving Tommy DeVito as the only QB left on the roster. Tommy DeVito is now 4th on the Giants depth chart behind Jaxson Dart (3rd), Jameis Winston (2nd), and Russell Wilson.

Presumably NY would be starting Cam Ward, however Drew Lock threw 5 TD passes in Week 17 last year to beat the Colts, dropping NY from the top draft pick slot.

It was the most TDs thrown by a NYG QB since 2019, when Daniel Jones threw 5 TD to beat the Redskins, losing the 2nd pick to Washington in what was called, "The Chase Young Bowl."

tldr; Daniel Jones and Drew Lock screwed the Giants. Now it's Russell Wilson's turn.

 

[Maulbert]

And Steve Young

Young didn't. However, the consensus was Tampa had ruined him, and he spent a few years as Montana's backup and rehabilitated his career.

 

[Hawkinaz]

Colts management were expecting that Jones would beat out AR15 that’s why they gave him the contract they did

 

[GemCity]

If I recall, Manning had a couple of pro bowlers on his o-line in his rookie year.

AR DID get thrown to the wolves. Sure, you’re going to have day 1 guys that come in and rip it up from the get go. As mentioned in this thread, that’s generally not the recipe for success.

Colts FO knew who their starter was when they gave buddy a one year, $14M contract.

 

[Cyrus12]

Glad we dodged that bullet. He was definitely wanted here.

 

[NoGain]

Teams got enamored by AR's measurables, height, size, arm strength, athletic ability, etc.., much like they did with Josh Allen. I'm a lifelong skeptic, and even I got caught up in it a bit. But the AR thing taught me a lesson recently that I pointed out earlier in the thread. You can't underestimate/ignore the importance of starts/playing time/reps as a college QB.

Last year was the year of the QB in the draft. Who were the best performing QB's? Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels. Nix was a 5 year starter in college. Daniels was a 5 year college player and 4 year starter. Brock Purdy and Cam Ward 4 year starters. Baker Mayfield a 3 year+ starter. Trevor Lawrence and Jaxson Dart 3 year starters. Penix a 5 year starter. McCarthy and Maye and Milroe 2 year starters. AR? Barely a 1 year starter with a very poor 53.8% completion percentage.

From now on, I'm always going to look at and take into account how much experience a QB prospect got in college, and try not to get hypnotized by the measurables.

 

[Aircrew]

Stupid Colts ruined that kid. He had no business starting that soon.

Exactly. Everyone said AR was a physical specimen, but extremely raw. To throw him into the fire in his rookie year was a massive mistake. He needs to sit behind a solid QB for a couple of years and hopefully he'll put it together. The NFL really does have a QB development problem.

 

[hox]

Stupid Colts ruined that kid. He had no business starting that soon.

He had no business being drafted that high.

 

[rjdriver]

The Packers have been really good a having a QB on the bench for a few years before playing them. First round pick Arron Rodgers sat on the bench for three years. Love was on the bench for a couple of years. It sure seems like the formula works.

A great point, but I’m not sure we can call it a pre planned “formula”.

The Packers sat those QB’s becasuse they could, not because it was part of some strategic plan. They had top 5 starting QB’s while both youngsters sat.

Same could be said of Young behind Montana.

Every GM will tell you his job is too win championships. Their real job is to stay employed. Sitting a fan fave, top 5 pick at QB while your current QB sucks and racks up loses will get them fired. It’s hard to ask GM’s to stay focused long term when fans and owners don’t.

 

[nanomoz]

He needed a lot more development. He needed the Jalen Milroe track.

 

[warden]

Too many times these kids lose patience and declare for the draft to soon.

Teams are stupid as they think one rookie is going to turn all their misfortunes around. More failures at QB in the top ten then successes

 

[toffee]

He needed a lot more development. He needed the Jalen Milroe track.

Begging your pardon but aren't we starting Milroe?

 

[toffee]

Every GM will tell you his job is too win championships. Their real job is to stay employed. Sitting a fan fave, top 5 pick at QB while your current QB sucks and racks up loses will get them fired. It’s hard to ask GM’s to stay focused long term when fans and owners don’t.

Great point, this is the very reason Schneider recommended dot net to our lovely Jody, and all of us, contributed to Schneider's contract extension.

 

[hawkfan68]

I'm not surprised. I believe Richardson is overrated. I'm just happy he got picked before the Seahawks had a decision to make on him. Colts taking him saved the Seahawks.

 

[nanomoz]

Begging your pardon but aren't we starting Milroe?

There certainly seemed to be a lot of people in the media that were hoping for Milroe to go bananas in the preseason so that there'd be a perceived Qb controversy. That stuff gets clicks.

I'm glad Macdonald shut that possiblity down and that they have a plan. And I'm glad Milroe looked like a guy that needs more development.

 

[toffee]

I'm glad Macdonald shut that possiblity down and that they have a plan. And I'm glad Milroe looked like a guy that needs more development.

Macdonald also said Geno was our QB who would lead us to the Super Bowl or something like that.

 

[nanomoz]

Macdonald also said Geno was our QB who would lead us to the Super Bowl or something like that.

He was the qb. But I don't mind the confidence. He fixed the defense in one year.

Pete (I love Pete) pretty much put together six consecutive years of shitty defenses. At best, you could call them erratic. At their worst, they were literally some of the worst rush defenses in NFL history.

 

[rjdriver]

Macdonald also said Geno was our QB who would lead us to the Super Bowl or something like that.

To be fair, there is no evidence that he didn’t believe that. We offered Geno a lot of money. Most sources say 2 years at between 40-45 per. He didn’t even bother to counter, but immediately requested a trade where he signed a commensurate deal with Oak..er.. Los A.. err….Oak…er Las Vegas.

Mac never gave up on Geno, Geno gave up on Mac.