It doesn't make it louder!!!

[RichNhansom]

Wanted to use all caps but refrained. Keep seeing the comment and even hearing it on the radio, the Clink is designed to make it louder. This is not true.

The Clink is designed to give you the benefits of outdoor weather that benefits us in the winter much more than a dome in the winter while at the same time it is design (just like a Dome) to hold the sound in. Not amplify it, simply hold it in.

This won't work for gandma's stadium because you have to have the crazed fans to start with. Why do you think the Niners are not working on a similar design? Because it would be a waste of money.

The fan penalty in the late 80's/early 90's was created because fan bases like Seattle and KC have fans that are loud enough to effect the flow of a game. If you have these type of fans you love it but if you don't then jealousy can cause you to see it as an unfair advantage. The reality is though it is like complaining because in your monopoly game your opponent has houses and hotels while your to dumb to buy them yourself.

Get over it. The King Dome was just as well known for the loud and crazy crowd as the Clink. If this crowd was still in a dome that record might have broke 140 DB. Thank your lucky stars we built an open stadium. That is in between breaths of complaining about the cold rain and snow bitches.

OK Rant over. If your still reading thanks for letting me vent. If not then you suck.

 

[-The Glove-]

Wanted to use all caps but refrained. Keep seeing the comment and even hearing it on the radio, the Clink is designed to make it louder. This is not true.

The Clink is designed to give you the benefits of outdoor weather that benefits us in the winter much more than a dome in the winter while at the same time it is design (just like a Dome) to hold the sound in. Not amplify it, simply hold it in.

This won't work for gandma's stadium because you have to have the crazed fans to start with. Why do you think the Niners are not working on a similar design? Because it would be a waste of money.

The fan penalty in the late 80's/early 90's was created because fan bases like Seattle and KC have fans that are loud enough to effect the flow of a game. If you have these type of fans you love it but if you don't then jealousy can cause you to see it as an unfair advantage. The reality is though it is like complaining because in your monopoly game your opponent has houses and hotels while your to dumb to buy them yourself.

Get over it. The King Dome was just as well known for the loud and crazy crowd as the Clink. If this crowd was still in a dome that record might have broke 140 DB. Thank your lucky stars we built an open stadium. That is in between breaths of complaining about the cold rain and snow bitches.

OK Rant over. If your still reading thanks for letting me vent. If not then you suck.

Excellent points. Every time I see someone saying its because of the design, I too, point to domes. At the end of the day, no building can create fan noise

 

[taz291819]

Technically, the correct design can amplify sound.

 

[Spleenhawk2.0]

Not sure where you get your information from, but the stadium was engineered to enhance crowd noise.

Popular Mechanics

You are correct that the stadium cannot be loud without rabid fans......but the sound engineering is not a myth but reality

 

[themunn]

for some guys that are the loudest fans in the world you sure are sensitive

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

Someone with more physics skills than me will have to rule decisively, but it doesn't make sense that acoustic design can amplify sound. (Amplify, as in increase the amplitude of the sound waves.) To do that would seem to me to require an additional input of energy, which a building does not provide. Acoustic design can focus waves, or redirect them (back onto the field, as in the Clink) but it's not clear to me how it could actually amplify them.

The Popular Mechanics link above actually supports what the OP suggests, which is that the overhanging roof simply reflects existing crowd noise back onto the field, as opposed to letting it dissipate uselessly.

Perhaps we're quibbling over the difference between "enhance" and "amplify", but the stadium itself? It just sits there and doesn't create any noise whatsoever.

 

[hawxfreak]

Think of it like a megaphone , not making you louder , just focusing everything you give to make it seem much louder

 

[ParisPC07]

http://www.kpluwonders.org/content/i-wo ... est-league

"Architect James Poulson says he didn’t set out to design the stadium so noise would be enhanced. Rather, he calls it “a happy accident.”'

 

[taz291819]

Someone with more physics skills than me will have to rule decisively, but it doesn't make sense that acoustic design can amplify sound. (Amplify, as in increase the amplitude of the sound waves.) To do that would seem to me to require an additional input of energy, which a building does not provide. Acoustic design can focus waves, or redirect them (back onto the field, as in the Clink) but it's not clear to me how it could actually amplify them.

The Popular Mechanics link above actually supports what the OP suggests, which is that the overhanging roof simply reflects existing crowd noise back onto the field, as opposed to letting it dissipate uselessly.

Perhaps we're quibbling over the difference between "enhance" and "amplify", but the stadium itself? It just sits there and doesn't create any noise whatsoever.

It's a part of "focusing" the sound. When two waves with identical wavelengths and frequencies intersect at the same time, with common crests, the amplitude of said waves doubles. Have the same thing happen, but a crest meets a node, and the waves will cancel each other out.

A great example of this is a home theater subwoofer. Simply moving it a foot or so off a wall can nearly double it's amplitude. Depending on the acoustics of a room, placement is vital.

 

[taz291819]

Double-post

 

[Laloosh]

On a sunny Sunday morning in March 2000, a 120-decibel implosion took down Seattle's Kingdome.

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Wow, Sunday's crowd was louder than the implosion that brought down the Kingdome.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

On a sunny Sunday morning in March 2000, a 120-decibel implosion took down Seattle's Kingdome.

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Wow, Sunday's crowd was louder than the implosion that brought down the Kingdome.

Well it's certainly a good thing the fans never got that loud in the Kingdome then.

But then you could really say that they, *Puts on sunglasses* brought down the house.

 

[Laloosh]

On a sunny Sunday morning in March 2000, a 120-decibel implosion took down Seattle's Kingdome.

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Wow, Sunday's crowd was louder than the implosion that brought down the Kingdome.

Well it's certainly a good thing the fans never got that loud in the Kingdome then.

But then you could really say that they, *Puts on sunglasses* brought down the house.

Kingdome didn't need much help coming down. Thing was falling apart!

 

[Hawknballs]

who cares

we win at home

 

[RichNhansom]

Good call HawknBalls.

But the reality is, just like the subwoofer, you cannot increase what is not there. I understand the sound wave theory, I worked in audio for 18 years and fought that sound wave issue throughout that time but it does not increase output beyond it's maximum design, it simply allows you to achieve maximum benefit of said sound wave.

To the theory of that sound would have brought down the king dome. Uhm no, it was dynamite that brought down the King Dome and I guarantee you the DB level on the field was much more than 136.6 db when that happened. I will grant you the possibility the sound wave was rolling away at that point but that is really a mute point. The sound pressure created through the blast and the subsequent impact would have been significantly beyond the sound pressure level we generated in the dome or the Clink.

The implication is we are no different than any other fan base but we have this megaphone type stadium that makes us loud. That is hogwash. The stadium acts to direct the sound waves so that we don't lose it to the open air. A good example is that it is significantly louder in the Clink when it is overcast with moisture in the air. The sound actually bounces off the an artificial ceiling created by the moisture.

It is possible that some domes or possibly outdoor venues actually hurt themselves via sign wave cancellation but that is a different argument altogether.

This is only accomplished by being rabid and obnoxiously loud fans. The same fans that made the King Dome a place to be feared and one of the biggest reasons the league created the noise rule to begin with.

 

[Scottemojo]

I was in a restaurant one time that had a dome in the ceiling. I could hear the conversation from a table 50 feet away like they were sitting with me. Acoustics work. And yes, I talked shit about them, because I assumed they could hear me too.

 

[Laloosh]

I was in a restaurant one time that had a dome in the ceiling. I could hear the conversation from a table 50 feet away like they were sitting with me. Acoustics work. And yes, I talked shit about them, because I assumed they could hear me too.

This is so unfair. It's difficult not to laugh when you say shit like this because every time I read your stuff I can't help but imagine Mr. Bean saying it.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

The 49ers brought it on themselves:

#1: Don't Disregard The 12th Man

We suffer sort of an inferiority complex here in the Northwest... to say we aren't a factor is a big no-no, give us our respect or we will go all out to give you as much hell as possible.

Kaepernick, Harbaugh, and Gore from what I read all disregarded us being a factor in last years game.

#2: Don't Call The Seahawks Out

Seahawks fan are smart, analytic, tech-savvy, and above anything else, passionate. Especially with the internet, don't disrespect the team like Anthony Dixon did calling them "She Hawks". The players sure as hell aren't going to like it, the fans sure as hell aren't going to like it.

#3: Don't Call the 12th man Fake.

It goes along with #1 but more from a an opposing fan aspect and its more like using jet fuel to light a bon-fire. We've heard it all from its only the acoustics to piped in generated noise. Don't challenge our integrity, really, it will only piss us off and make us louder.

Unfortunately, for 49ers and their fans, they crossed the line with all three, and that coupled with trying to break a world record made it unfortunate situation of hell and noise for the visiting team.