What does it mean to be 100% convinced? I don't think that's a good thing in this context.pittpnthrs":3v59nhwk said:I am 100% convinced the majority of...
What does it mean to be 100% convinced? I don't think that's a good thing in this context.pittpnthrs":3v59nhwk said:I am 100% convinced the majority of...
AgentDib":1t177r6p said:The question here is if Russ could be happy in that 25-30 pass range where he's had really effective but lower volume games. Jets last season he was 21-27 with just 206 yards, but converted a bunch of third downs and threw 4 TDs in his best game of the second half of the season. Ultimately I think Russ does want to win, so if we think he can still execute that sort of game plan then we need him to buy into how effective it is.
pittpnthrs":7jl5sadq said:Maelstrom787":7jl5sadq said:pittpnthrs":7jl5sadq said:When you have a top 5 QB in the league, you need to be able to accomplish more than Pete has the past 6 years.
When you have a top 5 QB in the league, he needs to get the ball out on time to his open receivers and play like a top 5 QB rather than keeping his offense off balance and off schedule.
Yeah he's been terrible for 6 years now. Maybe the problem is an Oline that hasent been good for years, a defense thats a laughing stock for half seasons, a coach with entirely way too much power that cant game plan, admits to not understanding what other teams are doing, has been terrible at drafting and over paying for FA's, is always slow to adapt whether its in game adjustments or his entire antiquated, outdated philosophy, has a mindset to play not to lose instead of playing to win, and has no future vision and is convinced the state of the team is just fine going forward.
I am 100% convinced the majority of the coaches in the NFL would have gotten more out of the Seahawks than Pete Carroll did the past 6 years.
AgentDib":2y3axux5 said:For those who don't think our talent has been low over the years, please consider the following:
1) Under a fixed salary cap the only way to have more talent is to get players who produce more than they cost.
2) Once a player hits FA they are typically a slightly bad value.
3) The low fixed rookie pay scale leads to enormous gains from rookie contracts if the player produces.
4) Therefore, the overall talent level of a team is directly correlated with how many good rookie contracts they have.
5) Our 2013 team was stacked due to rookie contracts, and once all of those players hit free agency our comparative talent level decreased to below average.
The only way to keep a high talent level over time is to continue to draft well. However...
The decisions by the front office to constantly chase short term benefits over the long term good has led to an enormous deficiency of draft capital over the seasons, and that in turn has led to a serious lack of talent.
AgentDib":30xyj4p4 said:For those who don't think our talent has been low over the years, please consider the following:
1) Under a fixed salary cap the only way to have more talent is to get players who produce more than they cost.
2) Once a player hits FA they are typically a slightly bad value.
3) The low fixed rookie pay scale leads to enormous gains from rookie contracts if the player produces.
4) Therefore, the overall talent level of a team is directly correlated with how many good rookie contracts they have.
5) Our 2013 team was stacked due to rookie contracts, and once all of those players hit free agency our comparative talent level decreased to below average.
The only way to keep a high talent level over time is to continue to draft well. However...
The decisions by the front office to constantly chase short term benefits over the long term good has led to an enormous deficiency of draft capital over the seasons, and that in turn has led to a serious lack of talent.
TwistedHusky":2lkfd215 said:It is a skewed graphic because we don't use draft capital like other teams.
Unless I am confused, draft capital is a # generated by the perceived value of the draft slot. Where a player is drafted is a function of a # of factors that we underweight. (Ability to immediately contribute is one)
We overweight potential and underweight current effectiveness. Our goal is not to maximize the chances of the individual pick delivering more value for us, it is to come away from the draft in aggregate with the better chances of getting a star player.
Us having less draft capital is a function of how we plan our roster building. This is also why we underweight the value of 1st round picks, leading to a tendency to trade them.
It isn't an excuse because it is part of the plan. We swing for the fences, knowing we are going to get more strikeouts. The problem is that lately we haven't been getting hits at the rate we used to.
justafan":2hublttb said:TwistedHusky":2hublttb said:It is a skewed graphic because we don't use draft capital like other teams.
Unless I am confused, draft capital is a # generated by the perceived value of the draft slot. Where a player is drafted is a function of a # of factors that we underweight. (Ability to immediately contribute is one)
We overweight potential and underweight current effectiveness. Our goal is not to maximize the chances of the individual pick delivering more value for us, it is to come away from the draft in aggregate with the better chances of getting a star player.
Us having less draft capital is a function of how we plan our roster building. This is also why we underweight the value of 1st round picks, leading to a tendency to trade them.
It isn't an excuse because it is part of the plan. We swing for the fences, knowing we are going to get more strikeouts. The problem is that lately we haven't been getting hits at the rate we used to.
I think most of the trades were plan D and E after plan A B and C failed.
We already had limited draft capitol due to winning and drafting later, so when our our OL picks didnt develop we traded for Brown. When our DL picks didnt develop we are making trades for Clowney and Dunlap. The worst part was when most of our DBs we drafted never developed or were injured and we traded or Diggs and Adams and the contracts that came with them.
I understand the trades for Dunlap, Diggs and Adams because our offense was going off. It could have gotten us to the SB if they would have continued and our D would have become close to a top 10 unit. But it was a strikeout.
9 or 10 picks on DBs and DL that dont work gets compounded by the trades.
It's completely the opposite of that. Every team misses a bunch, but we've taken way less swings because we've finished better and then traded away what picks we do get for veterans. Our hit rate as a function of draft capital is perfectly fine.TwistedHusky":43quk1m8 said:We swing for the fences, knowing we are going to get more strikeouts. The problem is that lately we haven't been getting hits at the rate we used to.
Every FO misses constantly. The 49ers aren't burying us despite double the draft capital because they've had a ton of misses. It's also important to acknowledge that randomness increases significantly after the few blue chip players at the top of the draft. The FO would have loved to pick Nick Bosa or Quentin Nelson if they had a pick high enough, but would that really be a draft success? That's like Bill Polian getting credit for drafting Peyton Manning.nutluck":43quk1m8 said:Having more quality draft picks increases your odds of hitting, but if you have a FO that misses a lot with them it does no good.
justafan":1sgi8dyk said:With all the problems you listed how in the hell did we win so many games in 19 and 20. The only thing you didnt list was punting.
Either we are so talented we should have won 15 or 16 games a season with a better coach and ran through the playoffs or we have so little talent do to poor drafting and trades that somebody on the staff is doing something right.
If so many coaches could have done better why didnt they. They have drafted earlier and better and made better trades than we have but they still end up with losing records.
Andpittpnthrs":d5nu0iz9 said:justafan":d5nu0iz9 said:With all the problems you listed how in the hell did we win so many games in 19 and 20. The only thing you didnt list was punting.
#3
Either we are so talented we should have won 15 or 16 games a season with a better coach and ran through the playoffs or we have so little talent do to poor drafting and trades that somebody on the staff is doing something right.
Again, #3 has covered up the teams deficiencies for years now. This season he's hurt and missed games and couldnt do it so your left with a 5 win team.
If so many coaches could have done better why didnt they. They have drafted earlier and better and made better trades than we have but they still end up with losing records.
They dont have a #3 caliber QB.
justafan":cy49foqr said:Andpittpnthrs":cy49foqr said:justafan":cy49foqr said:With all the problems you listed how in the hell did we win so many games in 19 and 20. The only thing you didnt list was punting.
#3
Either we are so talented we should have won 15 or 16 games a season with a better coach and ran through the playoffs or we have so little talent do to poor drafting and trades that somebody on the staff is doing something right.
Again, #3 has covered up the teams deficiencies for years now. This season he's hurt and missed games and couldnt do it so your left with a 5 win team.
If so many coaches could have done better why didnt they. They have drafted earlier and better and made better trades than we have but they still end up with losing records.
They dont have a #3 caliber QB.
Wilson is very good but not that good. Its a team game. No one man wins 12 games.
seahawksteve":r5tlqh6w said:i found this article about the Seahawks drafts with Pete, interesting read.
https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/4/14/212 ... wks-drafts
pittpnthrs":bb3hbqi1 said:justafan":bb3hbqi1 said:Andpittpnthrs":bb3hbqi1 said:justafan":bb3hbqi1 said:With all the problems you listed how in the hell did we win so many games in 19 and 20. The only thing you didnt list was punting.
#3
Either we are so talented we should have won 15 or 16 games a season with a better coach and ran through the playoffs or we have so little talent do to poor drafting and trades that somebody on the staff is doing something right.
Again, #3 has covered up the teams deficiencies for years now. This season he's hurt and missed games and couldnt do it so your left with a 5 win team.
If so many coaches could have done better why didnt they. They have drafted earlier and better and made better trades than we have but they still end up with losing records.
They dont have a #3 caliber QB.
Wilson is very good but not that good. Its a team game. No one man wins 12 games.
He's been good enough to keep the team above water for years now. Team game is right though. Instead of everybody capping on the best QB Seattle has ever had and wanting to get rid of him now because he cant overcome the obstacles placed in front of him, how about fixing some of the obstacles. Guy begged for a better Oline in the offseason and the FO gave him a band aid instead of a fix as usual. Of course they had no problems giving away 70 million and a ton of draft capital to a safety they didnt even need though.