Is Bevell to blame for much of this teams discontent?

[Siouxhawk]

This just occurred to me the other day: Of all Seahawks coaches involved in at least 100 games, Bevell and Cable have the best winning percentage .664 (71-36-1) in franchise history. I think Carl Smith also joined the team in '11, so he'd be right there too.

It just occurred to me that none of those coaches had Russell Wilson now you are defending Cable too are you just trolling at this point? Bevell is a not a good OC you trot out offensive DVOA all the time how about taking a look at redzone TD percentage and comparing it to the league average. Hint it isn't good. Our OL ranked dead last in the NFL last year in terms of pass protection. Before you spew the crap about but but Cable no given resources he has been the Seahawks have the most OL picks of any team since he came and he sucks at developing the people that he specifically chooses. He has massive draft input and every year the line has gotten worse starting from above average to our current dumpster fire.

Can assure you, not trolling. Are you?

I was just bringing a factual note to the table. Those 3 have the highest winning percentage as coaches with 100 games under their belts in Hawks history.

The red zone numbers are skewed anyhow because they don't credit field goals, which in the past we've taken more due to Pete's risk-adverse philosophy and the fact that since our defense was the stingiest in the league, the 3 points gained were more important to us than coming up empty in the red zone. It's proven to be a winning philosophy.

 

[Siouxhawk]

This just occurred to me the other day: Of all Seahawks coaches involved in at least 100 games, Bevell and Cable have the best winning percentage .664 (71-36-1) in franchise history. I think Carl Smith also joined the team in '11, so he'd be right there too.

Thanks Siouxhawk!.

My pleasure.

 

[edogg23]

This just occurred to me the other day: Of all Seahawks coaches involved in at least 100 games, Bevell and Cable have the best winning percentage .664 (71-36-1) in franchise history. I think Carl Smith also joined the team in '11, so he'd be right there too.

This is kind of like giving credit to Trent Dilfer as the reason why Baltimore won the Super Bowl. They have been lucky enough to be part of a team with a historically good defense.

 

[Siouxhawk]

This just occurred to me the other day: Of all Seahawks coaches involved in at least 100 games, Bevell and Cable have the best winning percentage .664 (71-36-1) in franchise history. I think Carl Smith also joined the team in '11, so he'd be right there too.

This is kind of like giving credit to Trent Dilfer as the reason why Baltimore won the Super Bowl. They have been lucky enough to be part of a team with a historically good defense.

Our defense has been phenomenal. Won't deny that. But you need a complementary offense to put points on the board. We've had and continue to have such an animal, even with a disproportionate piece of the allocated assets pie. But that's the formula of our team ... and it works.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, there's a huge portion of fans who think Wilson is only a super bowl champ because of his defense so....
That is just choosing to hate on the best QB this team has ever had.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Yeah, 43 points wasn't enough against Denver -- OK, 34 of which came courtesy of the offense.

 

[ZagHawk]

It was not Bevells fault, but honestly they should have fired him after SB 49 as a way to start fresh. He could have been the fall guy to move on, but by keeping him the trouble went up to Carroll. Players are young emotional people. This needed to get done if they wanted to continue with this core group after that SB. Either that or start with a whole new core and get them to buy in on the whole thing over again.

 

[Siouxhawk]

It was not Bevells fault, but honestly they should have fired him after SB 49 as a way to start fresh. He could have been the fall guy to move on, but by keeping him the trouble went up to Carroll. Players are young emotional people. This needed to get done if they wanted to continue with this core group after that SB. Either that or start with a whole new core and get them to buy in on the whole thing over again.

With all due respect, that's the reaction losing organizations like the Niners or Browns would consider and maybe implement. We're smarter than that.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

It shouldn't define Pete's or RW's and I'll explain why:

Kearse deserves a ton of blame. He had one job and if he just gets in his way for a second the play is a TD. He got destroyed and looked like he didn't even try. He should of been fighting his ass off and he didn't. I really can't forgive him for it.

Bevell deserves a ton of fault because he picked a play without zero regard to personnel. He should of known that a matchup relying on stopping Browner at the line of scrimmage was possibly his worst chance to complete that pass. Then he puts his special teams gunner as the primary and only target. It was a one read play relying on Lockette to run a precise route and Kearse to manhandle Browner at the line of scrimmage. Beyond stupid and I've seen multiple offensive minds completely agree with that. It wasn't the actual play call, it was calling that play against that personnel and with your personnel grouping.

Wilson had a split second and was counting on Lockette and Kearse to do their job. That was the play that was called and he trusted them. If even one of them does their job its an easy TD. Pete didn't call the specific play but was ok with a pass there and let Bevell do his job. Do people think Pete called that specific play? A pass there was fine with the clock winding down, but not that one.

Everyone is to blame, that's my point.

We can argue about how to split the percentages of blame between coaches and players, but in the end that play was a group effort.........and yet only Bevell gets called out, and has his entire career defined?

Nope. Doesn't work for me.

 

[Uncle Si]

It was not Bevells fault, but honestly they should have fired him after SB 49 as a way to start fresh. He could have been the fall guy to move on, but by keeping him the trouble went up to Carroll. Players are young emotional people. This needed to get done if they wanted to continue with this core group after that SB. Either that or start with a whole new core and get them to buy in on the whole thing over again.

With all due respect, that's the reaction losing organizations like the Niners or Browns would consider and maybe implement. We're smarter than that.

This is inaccurate. Teams let coaches go for a variety of reasons all the time. And while I had no issue hanging on to Bevell after 49, if the players not recovering their trust in the staff and thus each other is the residual effect of keeping him on then he should go.

 

[Siouxhawk]

It was not Bevells fault, but honestly they should have fired him after SB 49 as a way to start fresh. He could have been the fall guy to move on, but by keeping him the trouble went up to Carroll. Players are young emotional people. This needed to get done if they wanted to continue with this core group after that SB. Either that or start with a whole new core and get them to buy in on the whole thing over again.

With all due respect, that's the reaction losing organizations like the Niners or Browns would consider and maybe implement. We're smarter than that.

This is inaccurate. Teams let coaches go for a variety of reasons all the time. And while I had no issue hanging on to Bevell after 49, if the players not recovering their trust in the staff and thus each other is the residual effect of keeping him on then he should go.

But that's a big 'if.' We've heard not one soul on the team question his ability as an OC. It's all speculation. The only thing that came out of Sherm's mouth was his disdain for throwing from the 1. That's an important distinction.

 

[nash72]

This just occurred to me the other day: Of all Seahawks coaches involved in at least 100 games, Bevell and Cable have the best winning percentage .664 (71-36-1) in franchise history. I think Carl Smith also joined the team in '11, so he'd be right there too.

It just occurred to me that none of those coaches had Russell Wilson now you are defending Cable too are you just trolling at this point?

Yeah, no Seahawks teams have ever been this loaded with talent either so the winning percentage is not surprising. I may not like Carroll when it comes to the X's and O's, but nobody can debate his ability to judge talent.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Talent means little if not infused into the right system and culture. Not at the NFL level.

 

[nash72]

Everyone is to blame, that's my point.

We can argue about how to split the percentages of blame between coaches and players, but in the end that play was a group effort.........and yet only Bevell gets called out, and has his entire career defined?

Nope. Doesn't work for me.

You know thats what he's going to be remembered for from the majority though right? When his name is brought up years from now, people will remember that play call instead of thinking of him as just a mediocre OC. The play call was bad on a legendary level. If that play doesnt immediately come to you when his name is mentioned, God bless you.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I think of him just as much when we ignore one of the best Red Zone tight ends in the league.

 

[Siouxhawk]

But those in the know think of him as a respected and talented OC.

 

[nash72]

Talent means little if not infused into the right system and culture. Not at the NFL level.

Show me a team loaded on both sides of the ball that doesnt have a good winning percentage and then i'll believe you.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Everyone is to blame, that's my point.

We can argue about how to split the percentages of blame between coaches and players, but in the end that play was a group effort.........and yet only Bevell gets called out, and has his entire career defined?

Nope. Doesn't work for me.

You know thats what he's going to be remembered for from the majority though right? When his name is brought up years from now, people will remember that play call instead of thinking of him as just a mediocre OC. The play call was bad on a legendary level. If that play doesnt immediately come to you when his name is mentioned, God bless you.

Luckily my superior reasoning skills and higher fan intelligence precludes me from falling into this sort of knee jerk mentality when it comes to pigeonholing a player or coach's entire career and distilling it down unfairly to one play.

Big picture for me, Bevell is part of an elite group of owner, coaches and players that not only led us to our first SB by destroying the Broncos in biblical proportions............but also given us the most sustained success in franchise history.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He has some good games and some really bad ones. As much as I get on the guy, didn't have a lot to work with having such a pathetic O line last year.

 

[Uncle Si]

Talent means little if not infused into the right system and culture. Not at the NFL level.

Show me a team loaded on both sides of the ball that doesnt have a good winning percentage and then i'll believe you.

Can think of a handful of teams over the last few years, including some Redskin, Chief, Raider, Steeler and Lions teams.

Also, this year's Vikings team.