Interesting stats for fans down on Geno and/or Russ

[Double Tribble]

Wilson would have been on about the same level as Geno if not for his elusiveness and ability to improvise. That's what made him top five, until age caught up with him. Geno is at his best running a series of scripted plays, which is why he often scores on the first drive, and then wilts under pressure afterwards. He's never been one to consistently make something out of nothing. That's just not his strong suit.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Russ has always been an accurate passer.

Except his 1st 1-2 throws in a game early in his career...thinking his receiver is 10" taller than he really was.

 

[SeaWolv]

By your post, it's a wonder Smith ever sat the bench in his entire career.

This is the kind of thinking that kept him on the bench. People see those first few years in New York and think they know everything about him. Players can get better and not get a chance to show it. The fact that he didn't replace RW doesn't mean anything except they weren't going to make that move until they had to which says more about RW than it does about GS.

His career RZ %, as I previously posted, is a respectable 50%. Tied with Hurts and Lawrence.

He can be an off script guy (link works):



That come from behind victory over the Lions last season was a quality win over a good team on their field, that required scrambles and evading pressure to complete critical plays.

I'm not saying GS is elite but he is above average and good enough to take this team to the playoffs and even win a game or two.

 

[JayhawkMike]

If only . . . he had an offensive line
If only . . . he had a running game
If only . . . he had a decent offensive coach
If only . . . he had a defense

on and on and on and on

How about: If only Geno wasn't 23rd in 3rd down conversion rate? (I can already here the fingers being pointed everywhere else and Geno is blameless and powerless and a victim of circumstances LOL) Some of you need to actually see he isn't a perfect QB right KEasley?

It's tiresome the depths to which people will go to defend a mediocre quarterback with a mediocre record and a mediocre career,

If only . . . Mahomes had some receivers worth a damn last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bowl.
If only . . . Mahomes had a decent Running Back last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bpwl
If only . . . The 49ers didn't have so many injuries last year . . . they made the Super Bowl

Winners overcome the weaknesses on their team and make them better. Losers succumb to their weaknesses and that of their team. Geno Smith does not elevate his team. The team will have to elevate Geno to have success in spite of him and not because of him.

If he plays I hope he does well but I wish he wouldn't play and we developed the future instead of wasting time with an average placeholder of a QB. 11 years and zero wins in the post season.
I don't give a crap about a Geno Smith "redemption story". You get the best player you can get and just win.

 

[knownone]

It's always interesting to see criticisms of Geno because they rarely match his numbers. For example, he grades in a similar territory as Josh Allen for explosive plays with a high-risk style (which is a fair criticism). Yet, some people think he's a game manager who can't function outside the system, despite Geno, Waldron, and Pete saying he needed to play more within the system. Similarly, he's in the top five in 4th quarter comebacks over the past two seasons, winning those games in 25% of his starts. Then they point to his inability to handle pressure yet conveniently ignore that he's one of the best QBs under pressure in the league. He's just under pressure at a significantly higher rate than average.

Here's the thing. Seattle had a bottom-25 defense and offensive line the past two seasons and still was a viable wildcard team. So how do those of you who think Geno's ceiling is the WC round square that circle?

 

[knownone]

If only . . . he had an offensive line
If only . . . he had a running game
If only . . . he had a decent offensive coach
If only . . . he had a defense

on and on and on and on

How about: If only Geno wasn't 23rd in 3rd down conversion rate? (I can already here the fingers being pointed everywhere else and Geno is blameless and powerless and a victim of circumstances LOL) Some of you need to actually see he isn't a perfect QB right KEasley?

It's tiresome the depths to which people will go to defend a mediocre quarterback with a mediocre record and a mediocre career,

If only . . . Mahomes had some receivers worth a damn last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bowl.
If only . . . Mahomes had a decent Running Back last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bpwl
If only . . . The 49ers didn't have so many injuries last year . . . they made the Super Bowl

Winners overcome the weaknesses on their team and make them better. Losers succumb to their weaknesses and that of their team. Geno Smith does not elevate his team. The team will have to elevate Geno to have success in spite of him and not because of him.

If he plays I hope he does well but I wish he wouldn't play and we developed the future instead of wasting time with an average placeholder of a QB. 11 years and zero wins in the post season.
I don't give a crap about a Geno Smith "redemption story". You get the best player you can get and just win.

The bolded is silly logic. Steve Young didn't win a playoff game until he was 31; imagine making that argument about the first seven or so years of his career. Rich Gannon? Average... until given an opportunity, then he won an MVP. It turns out that opportunity and context matter, and skewing your argument to include years the QB wasn't even a starter is ridiculous.

 

[SeaWolv]

Winners overcome the weaknesses on their team and make them better. Losers succumb to their weaknesses and that of their team. Geno Smith does not elevate his team. The team will have to elevate Geno to have success in spite of him and not because of him.

You mean like Dan Marino?

3 of the last 10 QB's to make the SB weren't elite:
Brock Purdy, not elite.
Jimmy Garoppolo, not elite.
Jared Goff, not elite.

 

[JayhawkMike]

The bolded is silly logic. Steve Young didn't win a playoff game until he was 31; imagine making that argument about the first seven or so years of his career. Rich Gannon? Average... until given an opportunity, then he won an MVP. It turns out that opportunity and context matter, and skewing your argument to include years the QB wasn't even a starter is ridiculous.

Yes, he was a backup because he is a mediocre football player and that was why he sat behind less mediocre QBS.

So don't blame Geno for never winning in the playoff because he sucked so much he was never a starter to get his team to the playoffs and win a game when he got there?

Two names don't disprove the rule but just show there are very few exceptions to it and Geno couldn't hold either of their jockstraps

 

[Maelstrom787]

If only . . . he had an offensive line
If only . . . he had a running game
If only . . . he had a decent offensive coach
If only . . . he had a defense

on and on and on and on

How about: If only Geno wasn't 23rd in 3rd down conversion rate? (I can already here the fingers being pointed everywhere else and Geno is blameless and powerless and a victim of circumstances LOL) Some of you need to actually see he isn't a perfect QB right KEasley?

It's tiresome the depths to which people will go to defend a mediocre quarterback with a mediocre record and a mediocre career,

If only . . . Mahomes had some receivers worth a damn last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bowl.
If only . . . Mahomes had a decent Running Back last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bpwl
If only . . . The 49ers didn't have so many injuries last year . . . they made the Super Bowl

Winners overcome the weaknesses on their team and make them better. Losers succumb to their weaknesses and that of their team. Geno Smith does not elevate his team. The team will have to elevate Geno to have success in spite of him and not because of him.

If he plays I hope he does well but I wish he wouldn't play and we developed the future instead of wasting time with an average placeholder of a QB. 11 years and zero wins in the post season.
I don't give a crap about a Geno Smith "redemption story". You get the best player you can get and just win.

You keep bringing up Mahomes, but is anybody comparing Geno Smith to Mahomes?

Proper comparison would be guys like Goff and Stafford.

Also, the one time Mahomes had to face pressure like Geno, Brady and Co. blew them out.

Mahomes is as close to God as a quarterback has ever been, and even *he* couldn't bring it home under that level of siege.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You mean like Dan Marino?

3 of the last 10 QB's to make the SB weren't elite:
Brock Purdy, not elite.
Jimmy Garoppolo, not elite.
Jared Goff, not elite.

Goff a c-hair from going twice, too.

 

[JayhawkMike]

You mean like Dan Marino?

3 of the last 10 QB's to make the SB weren't elite:
Brock Purdy, not elite.
Jimmy Garoppolo, not elite.
Jared Goff, not elite.

So maybe it is great that we have a QB that's not elite?

I get it. Sometimes systems are greater than the players and a Ravens team wins it all. But I believe just playing the odds a top level QB will get you a better chance to win.

I just want to win more than 1 playoff game in a particular year and be in conversation as a SB contender even if we don't make it there. Crap happens in the playoffs. Fine. But it's been years since anyone not on this board thought we had any real chance.

New coach. It will be an interesting year. I won't judge too much if he takes a different path than I want. I want a rebuilding year with SH from snap one and development every game from the youngsters and if he goes win em all well I want to win I just want to win in the postseason. It will be fun. Macdonald will screw up. We will give him some grief. But I am glad he is here.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Goff > Geno

I said what I said

 

[keasley45]

If only . . . he had an offensive line
If only . . . he had a running game
If only . . . he had a decent offensive coach
If only . . . he had a defense

on and on and on and on

How about: If only Geno wasn't 23rd in 3rd down conversion rate? (I can already here the fingers being pointed everywhere else and Geno is blameless and powerless and a victim of circumstances LOL) Some of you need to actually see he isn't a perfect QB right KEasley?

It's tiresome the depths to which people will go to defend a mediocre quarterback with a mediocre record and a mediocre career,

If only . . . Mahomes had some receivers worth a damn last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bowl.
If only . . . Mahomes had a decent Running Back last year - he didn't and they won the Super Bpwl
If only . . . The 49ers didn't have so many injuries last year . . . they made the Super Bowl

Winners overcome the weaknesses on their team and make them better. Losers succumb to their weaknesses and that of their team. Geno Smith does not elevate his team. The team will have to elevate Geno to have success in spite of him and not because of him.

If he plays I hope he does well but I wish he wouldn't play and we developed the future instead of wasting time with an average placeholder of a QB. 11 years and zero wins in the post season.
I don't give a crap about a Geno Smith "redemption story". You get the best player you can get and just win.

So how many games SHOULD we have won last year if Geno was the player you think he should be?

How many should we have won in 2022?

Name the one qb that overcame bottom 5 rushing attack, o line, and defense?

Waiting.

Even in the last 20 years? 30?

And it will be a long wait. You are acting as if the facts above aren't typical factors that result in the complete failure of a team, missing playoffs, losing record, etc.

Are they not?

Name one Qb.

As to Geno's 3rd down performance, i already posted a link that stated pretty clearly that he actually performs very well on actual passing downs - 3rd and between 7 and 10. He's one of the best in the league. So how do you explain that?

One of the most accurate.

Led the league in completion percentage.

Set multiple franchise records in his first year.

Led the league in completions of expectation. Ie - he's extremely accurate.

Quick trigger.

Has been shiwn that he actually makes the line and offense look BETTER than it is by virtue of his accuracy , decisiveness and quick trigger.

And none of that is to say hes 'elite' or God's gift to the position. But he sure ad hell isn't the average, 'can't win a playoff game' , can't this, can't that guy some make him out to be.

It's absurd.

He's literally THE reason we won as many games as we did last year and the year before, and yet, somehow, with little support in critical areas, he should have been able to do more.

Again, how many games SHOULD we have won?

 

[McGruff]

Good points. I doubt I'm the only one who gets VERY nervous when they are in the Red Zone.

Geno may naturally suck in the red zone. But anyone watching us running four vertical routes out of the back of the endzone consistently the last three years and thinking the problem is Geno isn’t watching.

 

[IndyHawk]

Wilson would have been on about the same level as Geno if not for his elusiveness and ability to improvise. That's what made him top five, until age caught up with him. Geno is at his best running a series of scripted plays, which is why he often scores on the first drive, and then wilts under pressure afterwards. He's never been one to consistently make something out of nothing. That's just not his strong suit.

Top 5?
When was he ever that?
You'll likely use that one year, the one he stunk it up in the playoffs against
the Panthers and lost.
He could run and improvise(off script) but couldn't run an offense like a top 5 QB does.
Running (sandlot-streetball) against prevent in the fourth quarter does not qualify.
The so-called comebacks from his own doings? (Hero ball) does not make
him a top 5.
I wish we'd had a QB like Geno after Me3's 4th year, the run was over then and we
still running game with a D.
I don't think Geno only wins 9 with those teams and he goes further with his QB play,
using the whole playbook and the whole field.

 

[JayhawkMike]

So how many games SHOULD we have won last year if Geno was the player you think he should be?

How many should we have won in 2022?

Name the one qb that overcame bottom 5 rushing attack, o line, and defense?

Waiting.

Even in the last 20 years? 30?

And it will be a long wait. You are acting as if the facts above aren't typical factors that result in the complete failure of a team, missing playoffs, losing record, etc.

Are they not?

Name one Qb.

As to Geno's 3rd down performance, i already posted a link that stated pretty clearly that he actually performs very well on actual passing downs - 3rd and between 7 and 10. He's one of the best in the league. So how do you explain that?

One of the most accurate.

Led the league in completion percentage.

Set multiple franchise records in his first year.

Led the league in completions of expectation. Ie - he's extremely accurate.

Quick trigger.

Has been shiwn that he actually makes the line and offense look BETTER than it is by virtue of his accuracy , decisiveness and quick trigger.

And none of that is to say hes 'elite' or God's gift to the position. But he sure ad hell isn't the average, 'can't win a playoff game' , can't this, can't that guy some make him out to be.

It's absurd.

He's literally THE reason we won as many games as we did last year and the year before, and yet, somehow, with little support in critical areas, he should have been able to do more.

Again, how many games SHOULD we have won?

He is a waste of time until we get the QB we need. He has literally never won a playoff game and for most of his career wasn't even good enough to be a starter.

I am not going to go waste time responding to cherry picked numbers. "Oh he's great a 3rd and between 7 and 10" LOL And, how about 3rd 1-7 or 3rd and 11-30?

I Imagine you can dig deep enough and show us that when Geno in on the road in Miami on Thursday night games in November that he has the leagues best completion percentage between 5:45 and 3:20 remaining in the 2nd quarter on even numbered years.

weird cherry picked advanced stat: gold

"But remember 11 years ago . . . " rofl

Record: 11 years of Mediocre to backup.
Playoffs: Zero
Fault: Everyone else's in every way.

He's gone after this year and hopefully he starts this year with a clipboard.

 

[keasley45]

Uh... he has started 66 of 163 career games. And he has a losing record in those games started. He has had a singular above average season. Those are facts and absolutely not my opinion. Don't get me wrong. I like the guy. I think he is good to be here but to think he is our answer is just silly. Now, IMO we are at best a Wildcard team for the next few seasons with him as the starter.

We aren't judging his career. We are judging what he's done as a seahawk, where he's played above average ball to very good ball, depsite having a team that was so bad the HC was fired.

If yiu want to dismiss the defense being one of the worst in thr league, the o line, and the running game and just throw our 9-8 @ Geno's feet, that's your right.

 

[McGruff]

I agree with that last sentence. Because it would mean a younger cheaper QB outplayed him.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Set multiple franchise records in his first year.

We aren't judging his career. We are judging what he's done as a seahawk, . . .

?

 

[keasley45]

Wilson would have been on about the same level as Geno if not for his elusiveness and ability to improvise. That's what made him top five, until age caught up with him. Geno is at his best running a series of scripted plays, which is why he often scores on the first drive, and then wilts under pressure afterwards. He's never been one to consistently make something out of nothing. That's just not his strong suit.

Warhawk - the failure beyond the scripted plays is a known weakness of Waldron's. It's been discussed in a couple of youtube vids and analyzed by one or two of the armchair Seahawk analysts.

They've gone into pretty good depth as to how Shane would overthink things and get too cute. And how his trying to be imaginatuve in the pass game actually only served to nullify our run game creativity and our ability to just do normal, common sense stuff.

It's even been discussed on the Bears forum, on Brock and Salk, Wyman and Bob.

Theres a reason our star rookie wr gave no love to the dude when they asked him his opinion of him. That wasnt a young player who got caught in the spotlight and didnt know what to say.