I don't understand...

[Hasselbeck]

And who do you replace Bevell with? Please tell.

This is a pointless question that, frankly, leads nowhere. Pete's good at finding talent and he's extremely loyal; to a fault, in some cases.

In other words you've identified the issue, yet have no replacement for it.

Funny how that works no?

MAYBE, just MAYBE .. Darrell Bevell is our OC because he's the best option for the team at this time. If we flame out in the playoffs by scoring 3 offensive points - I'm sure Pete will entertain the idea of a switch. Until then, unless you want Tom Cable or a guy that calls himself Tater as OC - Darrell Bevell is not going anywhere.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

lol, The O-line couldn't block anyone all day to the point of Pete benching players, Russell had less than two seconds to throw the ball on 95% of our snaps, our WR's couldn't make a play to save their lives and Russell had the worst passing day of his career..............and it's Bevell's fault.

Sometimes I don't even think I'm watching the same game as some of you.

 

[Ozzy]

For the Bevel is great crowd.....

What crowd?

I'll say it again Austin -- not wanting DB fired and offering a counter to some of the relentless bilge on this forum about him is a lot different to saying 'Bevell is great'.

I don't know why people struggle with this so much.

Not saying you as you seem reasonable but there are a more than one poster who think Bevell has zero to do with our struggles and I think that's just as weird as the bevel is the sole reason for our failure crowd. Both extreme positions feel like the old PWR to me and can't concede any points in the opposite direction. I don't blame Bevell for yesterday although I don't think he was great and most of the blame is on the line plain and simple. I've state before Bevell is a very average OC in the NFL. He is brilliant at times and completely panics at other times at least situational play calling. He's capable of calling a great game and at other times he has a terrible game just like any other coach or player.

Regardless I'm of the opinion that yesterdays loss probably had little to do with Bevell. Screens weren't going to work. I would have to watch the all-22 tape to see what routes we were running but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that they were quick throw routes and not long developing routes.

 

[scutterhawk]

Well they sure as hell didn't have the o-line prepared. Bevell calling a fb run, up the gut, on 3rd and 1 with a rookie center getting owned is one example of zero adjustment and awareness.

You can prepare until hell freezes over, but Britt not being there to anchor and unify the other four, it becomes a "Free For All", the protection calls don't happen, the run gaps become nonexistent, and the only holes in the O-Line are the ones the Defense has created to get to your Quarterback.....What the hell do people expect Bevell to dream up in this cluster---- scenario?......How does Cable train Rookie Hunt to make line calls and make plays like Britt does without missing a beat????, answer->>>>>>>>>>>>>> he can't.
Britt was the missing lynchpin in this game, no one on the team or Coaching staff is to blame for this misfire.

 

[StoneCold]

Our O-line is sucking horrifically all game, let's not bother to adjust to a consistently quick passing game to nullify it, or anything.

I'm starting to blame Pete almost as much as Bevell for the stupidity on offense. Our defense had a fantastic day overall and the offense still can't do crap. I love the Bevell supporters. If our offensive coordinator was as good as they claim, the offense would have had no issue amassing a whopping 15 points or more for us to win the game. I mean, Jesus Christ, the 49ers average more points on offense per game than the Seahawks do.

But no, we need make no chances on offense aside from the O-line. That's the only real problem; right, Bevell supporters? A quote from Dodgeball comes to mind whenever I see our offense getting things thrown at them that they can't handle and we don't try to adjust to it... "It's like watching a ****** trying to hump a doorknob." If you want something more G-rated, then it's like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.

The only way to keep Russell alive is to have him get rid of the ball quickly on a consistent basis. Our O-line's not magically going to become good in the remainder of the season. :229031_banghead:

P.S., Bevell supporters; our defense regularly carries us to a win. How often does our offense exceed even LEAGUE AVERAGE scoring? You guys forget just how much an elite defense helps an offense, but still, you support him. If we transplanted the Falcons offense into the Seahawks, the offense would be averaging like 40 points per game.

Open your eyes. Where do you think this team would be if the defense was even a league-average one? Not bad, just AVERAGE. We'd have a losing record right now.

What I noticed after the first two series is they knew we couldn't block them. Their cover guys knew they only had to cover for 2.5 seconds, so they played tight to the line and took chances. This means that even the short routes were covered tightly. I give them credit for being able to take advantage of a glaring shortcoming, our Oline. Add to that Russell had his worst game as a pro and we were in for a world of hurt. What I don't know is can this be fixed? Would having Britt made that much difference? I'd love to think so, but seems a stretch.

 

[WindCityHawk]

For the Bevel is great crowd..... We have more talent than most teams on the offensive side of the ball. Wilson, Graham, Rawls, Baldwin, Lockett etc. There are teams avg more points that don't have a single player on offense better then Any of the guys I listed. Not one. At some point it's reasonable to wonder why we don't do more with that much talent. Bevel at least has some of that blame.

We have a winner!

Bevell has been given the reigns of a star-studded offense and continues to drive them straight into the ground. If he needs more than what Schneider has given him to be successful, then he's clearly in over his head.

If any of us so woefully under-performed at our jobs, especially for the money he's getting, we'd all be canned too.

It's nothing personal, but for the good of the team, they need to part ways with him already.

 

[WindCityHawk]

Okay, I know I crap on Bevell a lot (and with good reason), but the holidays are on us now, and in the spirit of unity, I think we can all of us, however you feel about Bevell, come together and agree that we prefer him over Greg Knapp.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If any of us so woefully under-performed at our jobs, especially for the money he's getting, we'd all be canned too.

I wasn't aware that being the #4 ranked offensive last year was "woefully under performing.".................with 70% of the cap space on the defensive side, Graham and Lynch out for half the year and terrible O-line.

This year #17 with 50% Russell most of the year, revolving door at RB and worst O-line in franchise history.

But again, why let the facts get in the way of an agenda.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Bevell is a guy that produces below the mean with great talent and resources.

But he produces above the expectation when we have massive holes or gaps, I am not sure a good OC would accept going with such a threadbare OL in place in the first place.

I've given up expecting better, Bevell is a feast or famine guy. He can have a really good day or a really bad, but he is not dependable.

My greatest frustration is that we do not actually plan and execute the offense with scoring in mind. At least 1/2, if not 3/4 of the offensive execution is stuff we are doing to 'set up' the opposing defense for later. It is a feint, feint, punch, feint, feint, feint, punch, type of plan but the problem is that puts all the pressure on the defense. If the defense has a bad day or the referee makes a bad call, then you never have enough chances to get those punches in.

Worse, because we don't have a consistent approach, there is very little flow. Our offense is disjointed for a large part of the game, seemingly coming together when we have little clock left - but it very rarely gets into a rhythm.

That said, Britt being gone really hurt us. Now we know how valuable that guy is, but we have an abysmally thin OL because we have so many projects. And OL is a very physical position where guys get hurt ALL THE TIME. So we have to rethink if taking the risk makes sense, to just load the backups with green as grass guys.

In the scheme of things this is one game, that losing at 10am would have made perfect sense. But to argue this was not winnable or that the gameplanning was not ridiculously lacking...isn't paying attention.

Our current OC is either hot or cold, you cannot depend on him. Funny how our near rookie DC can at least field a dependable defense - even then we keep the team on the field for 5/6 of the game because the offense does squat.

That said, a lot of missed throws by Russ. A lot of really crappy play by him today sealed it. And why we were not in hurry-up for almost the entire 4th is baffling. We were down TWO scores and we were just ambling to the line with 7 minutes to go in the game. Running up the middle like it was midway through the 1st or something. No urgency, and no thought into the process - which forces Wilson to make ridiculously risky throws with 4 min to go in the game because we were still down TWO full scores by then. We had to go TD or bust.

It was just one game but it was a complete no-show by the offense that lost it. Don't think that this kind of issue does not surface later. Weirdest thing is Tampa Bay isn't even that great a defense or pass rush.

 

[WindCityHawk]

If any of us so woefully under-performed at our jobs, especially for the money he's getting, we'd all be canned too.

I wasn't aware that being the #4 ranked offensive last year was "woefully under performing.".................with 70% of the cap space on the defensive side, Graham and Lynch out for half the year and terrible O-line.

This year #17 with 50% Russell most of the year, revolving door at RB and worst O-line in franchise history.

But again, why let the facts get in the way of an agenda.

#17, I had no idea! That's almost the top half of the league! You're right, maybe if he had a perfect, healthy team, he'd finally be good at his job. Until then, all he has is an elite QB, a HoF TE (until he came here), and a defense to keep him in every game. And he's almost got the offense in the top half. Do they make a "we're #17" foam finger?

When you look at PPG we're #23, btw. San Francisco has more TDs than us.

But none of that really matters. Next game. I'm curious though, what does a bad OC look like to you if not all of this? How much worse do you think an OC could be and still have a job in the NFL? In my opinion (obviously) Bevell has already crossed the line, but do you think he's even close to it?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

But none of that really matters. Next game. I'm curious though, what does a bad OC look like to you if not all of this? How much worse do you think an OC could be and still have a job in the NFL? In my opinion (obviously) Bevell has already crossed the line, but do you think he's even close to it?

You can't throw something out there like "woefully under performs" and then toss it aside and tell me to move on. That's your statement, own it.

Here's the fact, since Bevell has been here working with Pete and Russell this offense has continued to improve continuity wise, and stat wise..........and IMO it would have continued to improve as Pete said he thought as well if not for major injuries to Russell cutting our playbook in half for a big chunk of the season.

Yet, here we are, 7-3-1, after all the injuries, terrible RB play and all time terrible O-line play.

You can hate on Bevell, many do here. But have stats, logic and reason to back it up. Not conjecture and blanket statements based emotionally after a loss.

Win? OMG WE'RE AMAZING GOING ALL THE WAY I LOVE EVERYONE NOT ONE SINGLE BEVELL SUCKS THREADS FOR MILES!!!

Lose? FIRE BEVELL!!!

 

[mrblitz]

one thing i didn't understand was just an isolated play in the 2nd quarter. russ had probably already been sacked once or twice, and prior to the snap on this play, tampa bay was crowding the box. as it turns out, they rushed 6 guys and got the sack. it was unclear to me why, with tampa bay bringing so much heat, and showing such an aggressive pre-snap look; why russ wasn't dumping it off immediately. it made me wonder if we were going to see blitzes like that from now on, until defenses start getting burnt.

if russ had gotten rid of it immediately on those kinds of plays, it might not have mattered, because his accuracy was off.

another thing is, it seems like they really should have attempted to establish the run; even with all of the injuries and such.

on the other hand, the seahawks' defense got knocked around a bit at the start, but 14 points is not a bad overall effort. as a matter of fact, 14 points a game given up would be 'league leading' in many seasons of the modern, score-happy era.

it's tough leaving a game like this on the table. ymmv

 

[Sgt. Largent]

one thing i didn't understand was just an isolated play in the 2nd quarter. russ had probably already been sacked once or twice, and prior to the snap on this play, tampa bay was crowding the box. as it turns out, they rushed 6 guys and got the sack. it was unclear to me why, with tampa bay bringing so much heat, and showing such an aggressive pre-snap look; why russ wasn't dumping it off immediately. it made me wonder if we were going to see blitzes like that from now on, until defenses start getting burnt.

It's the same thing the Cards and Rams do to us, overload the line and press cover so Russell CAN'T get it off quickly.

How you beat it is to execute protection, give Russell 2-3 seconds to give his WR's and Graham a chance to make a play downfield. Then it opens up the line for the run game to start working, and MOST Importantly opens up play action, when we're really at our most dangerous offensively.

I criticized Bevell and Russell yesterday, I thought we could have tried to run more than we did. They sometimes seem hell bent on getting the passing game going to open up the run game. Which has worked, so it's debatable.

Also hard to do when Rawls isn't 20-30 carries fit yet, and you're relying on establishing the run with backup RB's.

 

[NFSeahawks]

#ReesForLT

At least we can get some pass blocking there.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

one thing i didn't understand was just an isolated play in the 2nd quarter. russ had probably already been sacked once or twice, and prior to the snap on this play, tampa bay was crowding the box. as it turns out, they rushed 6 guys and got the sack. it was unclear to me why, with tampa bay bringing so much heat, and showing such an aggressive pre-snap look; why russ wasn't dumping it off immediately. it made me wonder if we were going to see blitzes like that from now on, until defenses start getting burnt.

It's the same thing the Cards and Rams do to us, overload the line and press cover so Russell CAN'T get it off quickly.

How you beat it is to execute protection, give Russell 2-3 seconds to give his WR's and Graham a chance to make a play downfield. Then it opens up the line for the run game to start working, and MOST Importantly opens up play action, when we're really at our most dangerous offensively.

I criticized Bevell and Russell yesterday, I thought we could have tried to run more than we did. They sometimes seem hell bent on getting the passing game going to open up the run game. Which has worked, so it's debatable.

Also hard to do when Rawls isn't 20-30 carries fit yet, and you're relying on establishing the run with backup RB's.

Agree with "I thought we could have tried to run more than we did."

Honest question: Is pass pro easier to teach to a very green OL than run blocking? I would guess the latter.

 

[NFSeahawks]

But none of that really matters. Next game. I'm curious though, what does a bad OC look like to you if not all of this? How much worse do you think an OC could be and still have a job in the NFL? In my opinion (obviously) Bevell has already crossed the line, but do you think he's even close to it?

You can't throw something out there like "woefully under performs" and then toss it aside and tell me to move on. That's your statement, own it.

Here's the fact, since Bevell has been here working with Pete and Russell this offense has continued to improve continuity wise, and stat wise..........and IMO it would have continued to improve as Pete said he thought as well if not for major injuries to Russell cutting our playbook in half for a big chunk of the season.

Yet, here we are, 7-3-1, after all the injuries, terrible RB play and all time terrible O-line play.

You can hate on Bevell, many do here. But have stats, logic and reason to back it up. Not conjecture and blanket statements based emotionally after a loss.

Win? OMG WE'RE AMAZING GOING ALL THE WAY I LOVE EVERYONE NOT ONE SINGLE BEVELL SUCKS THREADS FOR MILES!!!

Lose? FIRE BEVELL!!!

The offense doesn't really have an opportunity to get better because the offensive coordinator isn't consistent enough at calling plays at the appropriate time. The offense looked like it was going better during the second half of last year, but it wasn't sustained. This year has been up and down, hard to give credit in an area that has by far been the most inconsistent part of the team for the better part of 2-3 years now. There are ebs and flows outside of RW getting hurt this year, almost every year.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Honest question: Is pass pro easier to teach to a very green OL than run blocking? I would guess the latter.

Depends on the lineman. Cable has said that back in the day pass pro was much harder to teach a rookie or inexperienced lineman. But now it's not the same what with 80% of college programs running the spread tempo pass happy offenses.

Cable said the #1 thing that's the hardest to teach now is staying on blocks. With the tempo offenses lineman only block for 2-3 seconds tops, then release. We want our lineman to hold blocks longer, which requires impeccable technique and agility.

That's why we go after guys like Gilliam, Ifedi and Fant, athletic first.

 

[StoneCold]

I can't fathom why our offense is struggling (oline). I mean we have great talent but it seems we can't get more than a few plays per series that work (oline). If there was only one place we could focus on to figure it out (oline). It's probably that damn OC, he calls way too many bubble screens (oline). I mean why the hell would he do that? (oline) We should try to establish the run and punish teams into submission like we used to with Marsahwn. (oline)

 

[Sgt. Largent]

The offense doesn't really have an opportunity to get better because the offensive coordinator isn't consistent enough at calling plays at the appropriate time. The offense looked like it was going better during the second half of last year, but it wasn't sustained. This year has been up and down, hard to give credit in an area that has by far been the most inconsistent part of the team for the better part of 2-3 years now. There are ebs and flows outside of RW getting hurt this year, almost every year.

Crazy how all those ebbs and flows are EXACTLY the same time as major injuries and continuity issues across the O-line?

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

Honest question: Is pass pro easier to teach to a very green OL than run blocking? I would guess the latter.

Depends on the lineman. Cable has said that back in the day pass pro was much harder to teach a rookie or inexperienced lineman. But now it's not the same what with 80% of college programs running the spread tempo pass happy offenses.

Cable said the #1 thing that's the hardest to teach now is staying on blocks. With the tempo offenses lineman only block for 2-3 seconds tops, then release. We want our lineman to hold blocks longer, which requires impeccable technique and agility.

That's why we go after guys like Gilliam, Ifedi and Fant, athletic first.

In that case, perhaps a little patience is called for as the more beastly guys mature, grow and learn.