Geno + Red Zone = Barf

[Rat]

Why do we assume that Geno was great in the red zone every time it didn't result in a turnover? Making conclusions based solely on INTs is short-sighted. Having to settle for FGs because of bad passes or taking bad sacks doesn't help either.

Also, INTs near the end zone are rare as it is. Hass had a phenomenal TD:INT ratio in that range. Russ screwed up there once and we were mobbed with stats of how well the league as a whole does it for years.

 

[hgwellz12]

Why do we assume that Geno was great in the red zone every time it didn't result in a turnover? Making conclusions based solely on INTs is short-sighted. Having to settle for FGs because of bad passes or taking bad sacks doesn't help either.

Also, INTs near the end zone are rare as it is. Hass had a phenomenal TD:INT ratio in that range. Russ screwed up there once and we were mobbed with stats of how well the league as a whole does it for years.

Very much the first paragraph. Glad someone said it. But, again, I still put a lot of the blame on the lack of creativity in play design. Week after week I see teams seemingly EFFORTLESSLY use playaction keepers, shovel passes, quick fades, etc. and get 6. But us? Nah. Something has to change.

 

[Ozzy]

He doe

There are many more "right plays" than TD passes. This offense wouldn't function at all if Geno didn't make way more "right plays" than wrong plays. Good QBs can have bad seasons in certain areas when conditions are really challenging relative to normal conditions. Bad QBs or even average QBs cannot make an offense as poorly coached and outfitted (personnel o-line) as ours. They simply wouldn't be able to move the ball as well as we have this season under the circumstances, relatively speaking.

He makes a ton of right plays. I’ve said this multiple times as have others like Sonichawk who like Geno. 85% of the time he’s playing pretty well. It’s his mistakes are plays a rookie makes not a 12 year guy(Brock Huards words). There often super costly at the worst times or in situations you expect a few knows to not turn it over here.

His touchdown/int numbers are near league worst and offensive lines are a league wide problem so you can’t say it’s solely the line. Hes not playing like he has the past couple of years. It happens.

 

[hawker84]

We basically have zero chance at him but Cameron Ward will very likely be QB1 in the draft.

So the solution is to put a rookie behind this putrid OLine?

 

[pittpnthrs]

So the solution is to put a rookie behind this putrid OLine?

If that rookie has legs,,,,yes.

 

[Ozzy]

It’s what Wilson did for years. We’ve never had a good line but when you can scramble it negates some of it at least.

 

[hawker84]

It’s what Wilson did for years. We’ve never had a good line but when you can scramble it negates some of it at least.

Wilson was among the league leaders in sacks his entire career here. Are you kidding me?

 

[hawker84]

If that rookie has legs,,,,yes.

So you think a rookie could come in and do a better job than Geno, that what your telling me?

 

[Ozzy]

Wilson was among the league leaders in sacks his entire career here. Are you kidding me?

He was also one of the best scramblers in his prime too and wouldn’t this support my point that he had a bad line? He made a ton of plays with a terrible line and we were a top 10 offense for years. No one is kidding you.

 

[hawker84]

My point was he took more sacks his first 3 season than Geno has behind lines equally as bad. Wilson also had a run game with marshawn . This discussion was about taking sacks and putting a rookie behind this line anyways, not Wilson's production. Obviously Wilson has more talent than Geno, i don't suspect anyone arguing that point.

 

[Rat]

So you think a rookie could come in and do a better job than Geno, that what your telling me?

Is strictly having the best record possible the goal? Because we should trade all our picks and young players then. There are vets out there that could be doing better than some of the younger guys.

I don't think we're 3-11 right now with Bo Nix instead of Geno. We'd be closer to opening a championship window if we did though.

Also, sacks aren't strictly an OL stat.

 

[Ozzy]

My point was he took more sacks his first 3 season than Geno has behind lines equally as bad. Wilson also had a run game with marshawn . This discussion was about taking sacks and putting a rookie behind this line anyways, not Wilson's production. Obviously Wilson has more talent than Geno, i don't suspect anyone arguing that point.

Russ also put up monster numbers in those years. He was brought up because that’s exactly what he was a rookie who could run.

The discussion was a rookie QB with legs might better mitigate a bad line and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable take. I can alone your side where that idea worries you. We really can all disagree on this stuff and have fun and not take everything personal. Not saying you’re doing that but this discussion usually takes that route.

A few of us disagree and that’s ok.

 

[pittpnthrs]

So you think a rookie could come in and do a better job than Geno, that what your telling me?

Don't know. It's very possible.

So you would rather ride with an already mid 30's QB who's ceiling we've already seen rather than trying something new with a young QB with fresh legs, that what your telling me?

 

[hawker84]

Nope, i

Don't know. It's very possible.

So you would rather ride with an already mid 30's QB who's ceiling we've already seen rather than trying something new with a young QB with fresh legs, that what your telling me?

I have no problem bringing in a rookie QB, obviously that has to happen sooner or later, or trade for a younger QB, but not to start. To sit and learn behind Geno. Even Payton Manning struggled his rookie year. They all do. And I'll say it again. Geno is not as bad as some folks are making him out to be.

 

[Chukarhawk]

He's not been great in the redzone this season. Historically he's been really good in the redzone. What does it tell you if this season is the outlier?

he was worse last year.

 

[Ozzy]

Nope, i
I have no problem bringing in a rookie QB, obviously that has to happen sooner or later, or trade for a younger QB, but not to start. To sit and learn behind Geno. Even Payton Manning struggled his rookie year. They all do. And I'll say it again. Geno is not as bad as some folks are making him out to be.

But I’d argue Geno isn’t as good as some folks make him out to be either. Someone called him top 5 yesterday. Hes in the 10-20 range. I have him on the lower end but I totally understand someone having him near the 10 range too. I think anywhere in that tier you can make a decent case for.

We have multiple rookie quarterbacks playing better than Geno this year right now. I think Maye is, Nix, Daniels and I’m willing to bet Penix will too.

 

[Ozzy]

he was worse last year.

not sure he was worse but he wasn’t ranked very high either.

2023 Red Zone Passing Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2023 Red Zone Passing Stats

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[pittpnthrs]

Nope, i
I have no problem bringing in a rookie QB, obviously that has to happen sooner or later, or trade for a younger QB, but not to start. To sit and learn behind Geno. Even Payton Manning struggled his rookie year. They all do. And I'll say it again. Geno is not as bad as some folks are making him out to be.

For the last time, nobody is claiming Geno is bad. What is being said though is that we know what we have in Geno. He's a good QB, but he makes boneheaded mistakes on a regular basis. Also, his age is a huge detriment in the big picture. He was never the long time answer.

It's time to get a younger body in here and get him going. If they resign Geno to a generous contract for a few more years, it's going to be a mistake.

 

[hawker84]

For the last time, nobody is claiming Geno is bad. What is being said though is that we know what we have in Geno. He's a good QB, but he makes boneheaded mistakes on a regular basis. Also, his age is a huge detriment in the big picture. He was never the long time answer.

It's time to get a younger body in here and get him going. If they resign Geno to a generous contract for a few more years, it's going to be a mistake.

You may not be saying he's bad, but a lot of folks on here are.

As far as paying him, doesn't he have one more year on his contract? Didn't we sign him for a home town discount chalked full of incentives?

How did getting a young body workeout for Carolina, indy, Chicago, SF, Texans, giants, jets. The list goes on and on. That's why you bring them in young to sit and learn. Greenbay, did it right to sit love behind Rogers. Burrow, mahones, Allen, Manning, luck, Lawrence, all struggled their rookie years. A young QB especially behind this line, would more than likely be a disaster.

 

[Atradees]

Broncos blue print. Oline and rookie qb.