Geno looked crazy good tonight

[pittpnthrs]

Says one of the conspiracy theorists that plagues this site.

When you see it for an entirety of a head coaches tenure is it still a conspiracy?

 

[CallMeADawg]

When you see it for an entirety of a head coaches tenure is it still a conspiracy?

Try jumping a bit higher. Maybe then the point won't go completely over your head.

 

[pittpnthrs]

What team have you been watching? The offense was drastically different from Bev to Schotty and then different again from Schotty to Shane.

And Schotty got let go because he finally had enough of Pete's interfering.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Try jumping a bit higher. Maybe then the point won't go completely over your head.

No need to jump when the obvious is staring you right in the eyes.

 

[CallMeADawg]

No need to jump when the obvious is staring you right in the eyes.

Still not getting it man. Keep digging though. Maybe someday.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Why was he frustrated if it was 'his offense'. The battle for what 'was best' for the team was waged out in the open between Russ and Pete, when Russ had Shane OBVIOUSLY doing his bidding.

He was frustrated because he couldn't get the personnel that he had a hand in picking to do what he wanted them to do due to his inability to play to a players strengths. It's where the 'trying to fit a square peg into a round hole' came from. It was Pete's stubborness and refusal to adapt to what would be most effective. It finally cost him his job.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Why so? We wintnessed it for years. Waldron is a great example. First game against the Colts the offense was using misdirection and a lot of movement and it was a thing of beauty. The very next week, it was gone forever. I highly doubt Waldron was the one to reel that in. Offense went back to a ball control/big play scheme once again. Not sure how people refuse to see the obvious.

Yeah, that's not true. Seattle was a pass heavy offense with little resemblance whatsoever to Schottenheimer's offense for Waldron's entire tenure here, save for Penny's 2021 tear.

This solves for Seattle passing more due to being behind in games - Seattle was also very pass happy in neutral situations, especially under Geno Smith.

Seattle was anything but a ball control offense for the past 2 years. Beyond that, Schottenheimer's offense bore little resemblance to Waldron's and was clearly different from Bevell's. They've also wholly changed blocking schemes with each OC/OL coach.

There is no evidence of the existence of the fanciful, inconceivable contention that Pete Carroll essentially had a shadow offense that he forced his coordinators to run. It is an absolutely ludicrous idea. Insane. It isn't even feasible from a practical standpoint.

Moreover, you calling this an obvious truth is, frankly, delusional. It is an obvious falsehood to anyone who has taken some time to think it through.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

5 Days..........

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yeah, that's not true. Seattle was a pass heavy offense with little resemblance whatsoever to Schottenheimer's offense for Waldron's entire tenure here, save for Penny's 2021 tear.

This solves for Seattle passing more due to being behind in games - Seattle was also very pass happy in neutral situations, especially under Geno Smith.

Seattle was anything but a ball control offense for the past 2 years. Beyond that, Schottenheimer's offense bore little resemblance to Waldron's and was clearly different from Bevell's. They've also wholly changed blocking schemes with each OC/OL coach.

There is no evidence of the existence of the fanciful, inconceivable contention that Pete Carroll essentially had a shadow offense that he forced his coordinators to run. It is an absolutely ludicrous idea. Insane. It isn't even feasible from a practical standpoint.

Moreover, you calling this an obvious truth is, frankly, delusional. It is an obvious falsehood to anyone who has taken some time to think it through.

Pass happy offenses are due to the inability to run. The past two years they have been pass happy because they can't run the ball due to a horrendous Oline that Pete failed to improve upon, not because Geno is some great gunslinger. Also, yes the offenses may have been different scheme wise, but the intentions were the same and Pete made sure his philosophy was integrated into each of them.

Question for you, why did Schotty and Pete have beef with each other? Isn't that evidence enough for you? He was the only coordinator that refused to be a yes man to Pete and he got let go for it.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Pass happy offenses are due to the inability to run. The past two years they have been pass happy because they can't run the ball due to a horrendous Oline that Pete failed to improve upon, not because Geno is some great gunslinger. Also, yes the offenses may have been different scheme wise, but the intentions were the same and Pete made sure his philosophy was integrated into each of them.

Question for you, why did Schotty and Pete have beef with each other? Isn't that evidence enough for you? He was the only coordinator that refused to be a yes man to Pete and he got let go for it.

This is made up by you and is completely delusional.

 

[pittpnthrs]

This is made up by you and is completely delusional.

Lol. Ok.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Don't have an opinion Pitt. It's looked down on if it doesn't make Geno a top 5 QB.
He's around 15, that's still pretty solid.

 

[Ozzy]

The league execs, coaches, front office etc when asked to rank the QB's put Geno around 20th right? Maybe lower? I think they got it wrong but its probably closer to the truth than Seahawks fans want to acknowledge. Based on last year he should be somewhere around 15. Most guys in that range with some things fixed around them can outplay that ranking by quite a bit as we saw Geno already do in that first year. I think he probably plays closer what we saw when he first took over than how he played last year, that's the hope anyway.

I've been critical of Geno in the past but he's a good QB and the pieces in place I think he can play like a very, very good QB which most teams would kill for. Excited to see how it all turns out.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt, he IS a good QB. Not great, but good with the right talent around him. IF this O Line eventually gels, he could be as good or better than 2022, imo.

 

[BASF]

Why so? We wintnessed it for years. Waldron is a great example. First game against the Colts the offense was using misdirection and a lot of movement and it was a thing of beauty. The very next week, it was gone forever. I highly doubt Waldron was the one to reel that in. Offense went back to a ball control/big play scheme once again. Not sure how people refuse to see the obvious.

You have always been Russ blameless, Pete is bad. I get that.

However, this is 100% on Mr. Wilson.

Let's follow the logic on how this went down.

Wilson wanted Waldron according to the reports during Waldron's hiring. Within a week after the hiring, when Waldron would have spoken to Wilson extensively and received the extensive playbook, Team Me3 released to the press that Wilson had no confidence in the Seahawks coaching staff. Do you believe that Wilson was talking about the hiring of Clint Hurrt who some of us knew was trash?

Highly doubtful. He saw the motions and how it would force him to read defenses in real time at the line of scrimmage which he knows is not his strong suit. You are absolutely right we used it in game one, but I seem to be the only one that ever brings up game two. Wilson was back to doing what he does, taking long shots down the field when there are people open underneath that would move the sticks. Carroll was asked about it in the post game press conference after Wilson's hero ball tendencies had him throwing into double coverage well past the sticks when there was an open guy in overtime that would have had us continue the game. Carroll said that he wishes our QB would help us out there and take the open guy underneath.

Wilson's answer in his Monday press conference when asked about what Carroll said was, "I know how to win. And we have done a lot of that." This right here is a colossal red flag that Wilson was now doing whatever he wanted and not going to worry about the offensive coordinator or the head coach. Fast forward to the Rams game when Wilson got hurt, and the offense had more plays that we had not seen while Wilson was in the game. Geno was able to run what Waldron wanted, to the point where Wilson came back before he was fully healthy.

As far as motion, our percentage in 21 16.2%, which was higher in the games Geno was playing. In 22, it was 17.7%. In 23, it was 26.4%. We were top fourteen in every season. Last season, it was good enough for seventh in the league. So, the question is why do fans not recognize the motion we are doing? Why does Wilson get a pass when we discuss it, when he was the one that didn't want it?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno is our QB, he's good, he's gonna' have a good year. LFG!

 

[JayhawkMike]

I’m always going to remember the incredible offensive game plan for Waldrons first game as an OC never to be seen again.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Don't have an opinion Pitt. It's looked down on if it doesn't make Geno a top 5 QB.
He's around 15, that's still pretty solid.

That's not even the discussion you're replying to, though. The topic is whether or not Pete Carroll had his own shadow offense that he'd randomly make his coordinators run - and that Pete Carroll only deployed said shadow playbook after the offense did well, after which they'd do poorly again because of ol' Schemin' Pete.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It was a joke, breathe in.

 

[CouchLogic]

So, Geno is looking good going into week one...