Geno injury

[Sperrydogg]

Here's one more when it was 4th and goal vs. Jets

Highlight | Quincy Williams Sacks Geno Smith on Fourth-and-Goal

But he runs for ten yards a carry and is 2nd in the league in scrambling avg…. Ok…. Geno the dual threat qb… said no one ever
People here seem to think move to avoid the rush means scrambling, two different things, and geno has shown scrambling ability which makes his pocket awareness even more baffling

 

[hawkfan68]

This one was from last season. Not sure what he was thinking here. He just climbed the pocket into a sack.

49ers D-Line Swarms Geno Smith for a Sack on Third-and-Goal

 

[Sperrydogg]

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This one was from last season. Not sure what he was thinking here. He just climbed the pocket into a sack.

49ers D-Line Swarms Geno Smith for a Sack on Third-and-Goal

There Drive killers. 3rd and 4th down you gotta do whatever it takes, no one else to blame

 

[SonicHawk]

These may be examples of what folks are trying to say about Geno staying in the pocket and not moving -

SACKED by Rashan Gary | Packers vs. Seahawks

Devonte Wyatt SACK | Packers vs. Seahawks

In that second video, most QBs would attempt to scramble to the side instead of cower down like a fallen prey.

I've gone through 13 of the 47 sacks and so far I've counted 4.5 that are Geno not escaping/not throwing the ball/not throwing it away.

35% of sacks -- Geno's fault. Avoidable, escapable.
20% -- Oline being trash, inescapable pressure
20% -- Trash play design
25% -- Defense just makes a good play/coverage sacks (free runner to the QB but not on "missed" assignment or just really good downfield coverage).
Since I hadn't gotten to the GB game let's review the All 22 of that sack.

0s - First screenshot is the design of this play. Geno's first read is to DK but DK stumbles and goes to the ground. Oh boy.



0.8s Time to check another option, he looks to the right. He has 3 options. A dump to Charbs, Noah Fant at hte 20 and JSN on a streak. This screenshot is taken at less than second after the first one. Just remember it takes a full second to throw a ball.



1.8s is our next screenshot. There was not enough time realistically.



After this he steps up in the pocket but the second defender doesn't over-pursue and tackles him.

I'll blame Geno for this sack, sure -- but he would have had to immediately decide to throw at this screenshot here:



JSN 50/50 ball? Noah Fant but you have to basically throw the ball at where a defender is currently guarding JSN.

My goal isn't to defend Geno -- he gets paid millions to make these decisions, all I'm saying is it's not as obvious as some here make it out to be.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Yep… stafford would not have got sacked right there and geno is more mobile and faster than Stafford

Big if true.

Of course, it's not actually true.

On third down this year, with more than 2.5 seconds in the pocket (I.E. with time to actually move vs. instant pocket collapse), Geno has gotten sacked on 15.8% of dropbacks. Matt Stafford 21.7%.

Matt Stafford is MORE likely to get sacked in those situations.

Even when you consider 'all third downs' and not just ones with time, Stafford is STILL more likely to get sacked.

You know who else gets sacked at higher rate on third down than Geno Smith?

Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, CJ Stroud, Justin Herbert, and Jalen Hurts.

Drive killers. No one else to blame. Why are these guys so bad at making decisions?

 

[Sperrydogg]

I've gone through 13 of the 47 sacks and so far I've counted 4.5 that are Geno not escaping/not throwing the ball/not throwing it away.

35% of sacks -- Geno's fault. Avoidable, escapable.
20% -- Oline being trash, inescapable pressure
20% -- Trash play design
25% -- Defense just makes a good play/coverage sacks (free runner to the QB but not on "missed" assignment or just really good downfield coverage).
Since I hadn't gotten to the GB game let's review the All 22 of that sack.

0s - First screenshot is the design of this play. Geno's first read is to DK but DK stumbles and goes to the ground. Oh boy.

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0.8s Time to check another option, he looks to the right. He has 3 options. A dump to Charbs, Noah Fant at hte 20 and JSN on a streak. This screenshot is taken at less than second after the first one. Just remember it takes a full second to throw a ball.

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1.8s is our next screenshot. There was not enough time realistically.

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After this he steps up in the pocket but the second defender doesn't over-pursue and tackles him.

I'll blame Geno for this sack, sure -- but he would have had to immediately decide to throw at this screenshot here:

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JSN 50/50 ball? Noah Fant but you have to basically throw the ball at where a defender is currently guarding JSN.

My goal isn't to defend Geno -- he gets paid millions to make these decisions, all I'm saying is it's not as obvious as some here make it out to be.

There is half a football field empty to his left. I’m assuming this is a third down play. It just seams like he has no sense of urgency to keep the play alive

 

[SonicHawk]

There is half a football field empty to his left. I’m assuming this is a third down play. It just seams like he has no sense of urgency to keep the play alive

It is a third down play.

No sense of urgency? That seems extremely unfair. His job is to throw the ball and these screenshots are breakdowns of 2 seconds. How many times did we scream at RW because he rolled out of the pocket early?

I agree that if he rolls out to the left he may pull a defender off of Lockett. But that also requires him to look back left when he has two potential options on the right. He would have had to disregard Fant and JSN within a half second (even though they were viable) and then loop around the other edge defender.

Geno gets .3 longer in that pocket and he probably is able to make a throw. It's the kind of difference between Geno and someone who's great. Geno is good/average, not great.

 

[toffee]

But he runs for ten yards a carry and is 2nd in the league in scrambling avg…. Ok…. Geno the dual threat qb… said no one ever
People here seem to think move to avoid the rush means scrambling, two different things, and geno has shown scrambling ability which makes his pocket awareness even more baffling

Business decisions, above all else Geno wants another long term contract before he retires. At his age, an injury means bye bye to that long term contract.

One of our offense problems: we have Lockett and Geno avoiding injuries at all cost.

 

[SonicHawk]

This one was from last season. Not sure what he was thinking here. He just climbed the pocket into a sack.

49ers D-Line Swarms Geno Smith for a Sack on Third-and-Goal

Let's take a look.

Ok, Fant over the middle is maybe ok, but you have the defender. Probably a good time not to throw with the FS just sitting in his route.



Another second later. Oh no Geno, Fant or DK. You got to pick one and you have to do it now.



And he doesn't throw it. Steps up and gets sacked.

No arguments here, Geno has to get rid of the ball there.

 

[DarkVictory23]

This is reading to me like last year when Drew Lock came in and got sacked at a higher rate than Geno and yet people thought he was actually getting sacked less. It's all based on 'feels'.


Just to put the final nail in this ridiculous coffin... does anyone here know where Geno compares to other QBs this year in 3rd down passing success rate? 8th. That means, in the NFL this year, if you need a first down on 3rd down, only 7 QBs have done a better job at getting it than Geno Smith. (And you can probably guess who they are, there won't be many surprises, unless you consider Brock Purdy being there surprising. And no, Sperrydogg, Matt Stafford isn't one of them. He is 29th of 32, just above Bryce Young.)

Now, I want you to guess who has the longest yards to go of any QB on third down this year? (If you guessed Geno Smith, congratulations, you won the prize.) None of the QBs with a higher success rate are anywhere close to the average yards to go (outside of Lamar Jackson, who actually has the second highest yards to go on average. Damn it, Lamar's winning MVP again, isn't he?)


Yeah, I get it. You saw Geno get sacked and wanted him to throw for a first down. So did I. But the lack of perspective here can be a bit mind boggling sometimes. Do you never watch other teams play?

 

[Ozzy]

Geno is good/average, not great.

This is the truth even if many in this thread disagree. Hes not great. He can be good for large chunks of time and he can make bizarre mistakes for a 12 year vet.

We were joking about how bad Levis is who has a 12/12 ratio. Geno is at 14/13. Not good. Now I know people like to say those stats don’t matter but they do. It might have more correlation to success than any other stat. Not all his fault but a good portion of it is

 

[Sperrydogg]

This is reading to me like last year when Drew Lock came in and got sacked at a higher rate than Geno and yet people thought he was actually getting sacked less. It's all based on 'feels'.


Just to put the final nail in this ridiculous coffin... does anyone here know where Geno compares to other QBs this year in 3rd down passing success rate? 8th. That means, in the NFL this year, if you need a first down on 3rd down, only 7 QBs have done a better job at getting it than Geno Smith. (And you can probably guess who they are, there won't be many surprises, unless you consider Brock Purdy being there surprising. And no, Sperrydogg, Matt Stafford isn't one of them. He is 29th of 32, just above Bryce Young.)

Now, I want you to guess who has the longest yards to go of any QB on third down this year? (If you guessed Geno Smith, congratulations, you won the prize.) None of the QBs with a higher success rate are anywhere close to the average yards to go (outside of Lamar Jackson, who actually has the second highest yards to go on average. Damn it, Lamar's winning MVP again, isn't he?)


Yeah, I get it. You saw Geno get sacked and wanted him to throw for a first down. So did I. But the lack of perspective here can be a bit mind boggling sometimes. Do you never watch other teams play?

Are you mad bro…

You’re definitely more knowledgeable than me….

 

[MontanaHawk05]

And if geno is so mobile why does this “one” time in Payton’s life that he ran an option look better than geno ever has.

It doesn't. You're seeing what you want to see.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Are you mad bro…
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You’re definitely more knowledgeable than me….

I guess I am, because one of us (hint: it's me) knows the difference between a team stat and a QB stat.

You are aware that teams can also run the ball on third down, right?

And while the Seahawks are top 10 on converting third down when Geno passes, we are the second worst team in the league when we try to run the ball on third. Hence, why we are 17th overall.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Interestingly enough, his red zone interception against the Bengals, mid-October 2023, was only the third of his career, and the first in his time with the Hawks.

Doesn't look like a QB who historically has redzone issues to me

 

[NoGain]

Geno's thrown like six redzone passes in a matter of weeks that either...

--were intercepted
--should have been intercepted
--or were defended by OUR receivers
--but most of all should never have been thrown

 

[OrangeGravy]

I can't process how dumb of a comment that is.

There's no shortage of dumb around here. It's an epidemic. It must make life glorious though. Could imagine going through life without the mental capacity to know what you don't know?

 

[Ozzy]

There's no shortage of dumb around here. It's an epidemic. It must make life glorious though. Could imagine going through life without the mental capacity to know what you don't know?

Alright guys cool it with this stuff. Attack the post and not the poster.

 

[OrangeGravy]

This is reading to me like last year when Drew Lock came in and got sacked at a higher rate than Geno and yet people thought he was actually getting sacked less. It's all based on 'feels'.


Just to put the final nail in this ridiculous coffin... does anyone here know where Geno compares to other QBs this year in 3rd down passing success rate? 8th. That means, in the NFL this year, if you need a first down on 3rd down, only 7 QBs have done a better job at getting it than Geno Smith. (And you can probably guess who they are, there won't be many surprises, unless you consider Brock Purdy being there surprising. And no, Sperrydogg, Matt Stafford isn't one of them. He is 29th of 32, just above Bryce Young.)

Now, I want you to guess who has the longest yards to go of any QB on third down this year? (If you guessed Geno Smith, congratulations, you won the prize.) None of the QBs with a higher success rate are anywhere close to the average yards to go (outside of Lamar Jackson, who actually has the second highest yards to go on average. Damn it, Lamar's winning MVP again, isn't he?)


Yeah, I get it. You saw Geno get sacked and wanted him to throw for a first down. So did I. But the lack of perspective here can be a bit mind boggling sometimes. Do you never watch other teams play?

It's so bad it's funny at this point. The karmic turn from these fans is gonna doom us with QBs like Lock and Howell for the next 20 years. It's gonna be awesome. If they got their way we'd be entering our Chicago Bears QB purgatory phase

 

[Ozzy]

It's so bad it's funny at this point. The karmic turn from these fans is gonna doom us with QBs like Lock and Howell for the next 20 years. It's gonna be awesome. If they got their way we'd be entering our Chicago Bears QB purgatory phase

So you’re rooting against the Seahawks post Geno. That actually makes sense based on your posting history.