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I don't know either, he may have, except he doesn't even hint at anyone other than Fries. We also don't know if Zeitler couldn't have been persuaded to head West for $10M or $11M. If it is his last year he might be looking to make as much as possible before he shuts to spigot off.
He likes to do nothing and then leak stuff later that makes him look good. Like that he wanted Fries, and that he was totally going to draft Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.
 

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I’m all for taking the best guard available at 18.

I just don’t see it happening. WR or DB is my bet…

Just like QB. Unless one of the top 5 slip to…day three or something past that, it’s not happening.

We’ve been pretty consistent in neglecting ( draft wise) certain positions.
 

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I don't know either, he may have, except he doesn't even hint at anyone other than Fries. We also don't know if Zeitler couldn't have been persuaded to head West for $10M or $11M. If it is his last year he might be looking to make as much as possible before he shuts to spigot off.
You may very well be right. We will never know as honesty this time of year is foreign to 32 different GM's not just ours - and rightfully so. But I did read he chose, from Schefter if I remember correctly, he wanted to be close to his family and that they live in Nashville. We may have offered him $50 million a year or not even a visit or possibly anything in between.

Point is it's always easy to point blame when you're not in the room or making the calls or decisions or your money or job on the line. Signing players isn't a 1 way street. There's an endless number of factors on why a player may come to Seattle or not. Some to do with JS, some not. We don't know with each situation the reasoning but people saying it's as easy as throw money here, said player has to come here then just isn't reality.
 

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At this stage whatever OG is eventually signed by JS will be found by those highly critical of him to be a weak ass signing, too expensive, and the sky will still be falling.
That's not true at all.
Give us an OLine that can run block, move the chains and protect enough for the QB to feel comfortable in the pocket and not look like a scared rabbit and we'll shut up. Don't act like Seahawk fans are a bunch of cryers, I actually think we've been pretty patient & chill about it.
I like John and he's had some strong stretches but this roster building model that stubbornly relies on a cheap OLine is going to be his undoing.
I blame scouting more than anything but in fairness, other than QB, the offensive line is the most difficult thing to build.
That's why you spend $ & high picks.
No, the sky is not falling, unless you haven't won a playoff game in a while.
Then the sky is dark.
 

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Who do you suggest they sign that wants to come to Seattle or is even available? The list is regrettably short.

Until there actually is solution I understand the concern but even the best GM just can't pull OGs out of his butt.
 

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Point is it's always easy to point blame when you're not in the room or making the calls or decisions or your money or job on the line. Signing players isn't a 1 way street. There's an endless number of factors on why a player may come to Seattle or not. Some to do with JS, some not. We don't know with each situation the reasoning but people saying it's as easy as throw money here, said player has to come here then just isn't reality.
I get all that but in an article where he's supposedly addressing fan discontent you'd think he'd want to show more than one example of how he's trying to do what they, and pretty much every pundit around the league, thinks he should do.
 

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At this stage whatever OG is eventually signed by JS will be found by those highly critical of him to be a weak ass signing, too expensive, and the sky will still be falling.
Maybe. However, all the analysts, former players and fans have been clamoring for JS to do something to shore up the biggest weakness on the team. He could have done more from what we know at this point. He even admitted he was hesitant to do anything because of past experience. That is not something I want to hear from my GM.

He couldn't even get one of the top OLine FAs to come in to at least consider the Seahawks?? Did he really try??

This thing is all on him now. No way to blame PC veto power for roster moves. It's put up or shut up time and if he can't assemble a decent OLine then it's only a matter of time before he's gone too.
 

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I get all that but in an article where he's supposedly addressing fan discontent you'd think he'd want to show more than one example of how he's trying to do what they, and pretty much every pundit around the league, thinks he should do.
When does Free Agency end? Are there no possibilities that aren’t currently available come June? July? August?

I get the unknown is scary and instant gratification crowd needs their fix now, but football is a year long process. The roster today is nowhere near what it will be early September.

The options to begin with were terrible, as they are every year. If the line is just as bad during the season then I’ll 100% agree. Players progress. We have the draft still and very good draft capital. Roster cuts happen, etc. I refuse to panic over a roster on March 18th.
 

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You think he didn’t try for Zeitler? Zeitler is about to retire. His family lives in Nashville and he went to Tennessee probably to be close to his family. I’m not saying he did try for Zeitler but to suggest he didn’t try is all speculation.

Dude is from Wisconsin. I'm sure he moved to Nashville, and his family, because they signed him.
 

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Who do you suggest they sign that wants to come to Seattle or is even available? The list is regrettably short.

Until there actually is solution I understand the concern but even the best GM just can't pull OGs out of his butt.
Here is my suggestion.
Make a competitive offer to Jenkins that he can't ignore. Even overpay a little, contracts can be structured to benefit both sides. Then use your 1st rounder on another OL, Hell trade up if you can or have to, you have the picks.

Jenkins declines then use a 1st AND a 2nd on OLine smartly, again package picks to move up if you can. Don't wait until players are picked in front of you or go with a lower pick because his sparq #'s look good. Find the glass eater who loves being physical & gets off on knocking guys on their azz..
Pay to sign him, move up to draft him.
A guy like Booker. Oh... not zbs, then stick the umbrella back in your girly drink and waddle off to find that special boy in the 3rd round.
Wow....
 

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Like JS said:


He doesn't seem to realize good OLine is a scarce commodity in the league and you have to pay to get a couple of these guys. At least one at OT and one at OG. He could've had Zeitler at $9M for a year but he didn't move quick enough and now he's a Titan. I don't care if you've been burned in the past pushing in on guys in early March, do better. But don't do nothing and wait for the best options to get taken off the board cause your scared.
None of that makes any of the available free agents better than they are. And Schneider is one of thirty-one GMs who have refused to sign any five-year contracts this year.
 

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Look if JS is against paying high dollar for OL then he needs to really look at interior OL in round 2 if he refuses to invest in round 1 interior OL. Not many guards and centers are worth drafting in round 1 so I understand this point. But in round 2 that is when the run on "non premium positions" takes place like guards, ILBs, RBs, TEs, etc.

Nothing wrong with having an OL built to be cap effective. Most of the Seahawks OL are on rookie deals which is favorable from a cap perspective but you have to swing for the fences higher than the third/fourth round when it comes to guards if you have a current collection of guards that are at the same level already on the roster. To put it another way adding another 3rd/4h/5th round guard isn't going to be that much better than existing players like Laumea, Olu, Haynes and Sundell. At that point it is a waste of draft capital.
 

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I blame scouting more than anything
💯.

We’ve tried to get cute in the past and have went for some real ‘surprises’ in a few drafts.

Personally, I feel the last two drafts have been solid. I’m hoping we continue that trend.

Sometimes, you have to sprinkle in a bit of BPA w/ need as well. But, we have a clear, clear need up front on the O-line.

This draft above others, I’m simply hoping they feel in the blanks. Skip ‘shiny’ for a few rounds. Give us the mailers up front. We want beef (pause).
 
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They should just use their first 6 draft picks on guys they project could play guard or center. Maybe they'll hit on 1, or 2 if we're really lucky.
 

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Schneider is going to go with someone that can provide flash in the first round. I highly doubt that will be an interior lineman
 

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That's not true at all.
Give us an OLine that can run block, move the chains and protect enough for the QB to feel comfortable in the pocket and not look like a scared rabbit and we'll shut up. Don't act like Seahawk fans are a bunch of cryers, I actually think we've been pretty patient & chill about it.
I like John and he's had some strong stretches but this roster building model that stubbornly relies on a cheap OLine is going to be his undoing.
I blame scouting more than anything but in fairness, other than QB, the offensive line is the most difficult thing to build.
That's why you spend $ & high picks.
No, the sky is not falling, unless you haven't won a playoff game in a while.
Then the sky is dark.

JS has made his own bed, totally get that

Sounds like he understands and acknowledges his missteps

That being said, its ok to be realistic about RIGHT NOW. No he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to line construction, but that doesn't mean its fair to expect him to pull a rabbit out of his hat or else.

Creating unrealistic expectations that have to met in March is a losing game, especially with this weak FA class and they know it. Being overly critical is just as annoying as being a JS cheerleader.

Hold him to standards hawk fans. But be fair about it
 

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