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I get it. We have a rookie HC and inexperienced coaching staff. We have a horrible O-line and have been absolutely plagued by injuries. The stupid penalties are what is frustrating to me though. If they could simply clean up the penalties, I think this team would have at least 2 more wins than they currently have. The penalties ALWAYS seem to occur at the most inopportune time. I know that Barner has been responsible for having 2 TDs called back. This team has talent. This team can win now. They still wouldn't be Superbowl contenders, but they could make the playoffs and build upon that success. Just clean up the penalties!
 

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I don't think we have what it takes now.

If you're counting strictly skill players? Then sure, maybe. K9 is great, DK is a monster (when he feels like it), Lockett is reliable, JSN got that magic in him, Geno is serviceable, and the defense has some talent, if not raw.

However, it's the Oline and it's always going to be that. It's a broken record, but until that's fixed and is molded then the sexy skill positions and whose there isn't going to matter if your QB can't stay on his feet longer than 0.5 seconds.
 

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I don't think we have what it takes now.

If you're counting strictly skill players? Then sure, maybe. K9 is great, DK is a monster (when he feels like it), Lockett is reliable, JSN got that magic in him, Geno is serviceable, and the defense has some talent, if not raw.

However, it's the Oline and it's always going to be that. It's a broken record, but until that's fixed and is molded then the sexy skill positions and whose there isn't going to matter if your QB can't stay on his feet longer than 0.5 seconds.
Even with the OLine, we have been in every game we lost and had the ball late in the game with a chance to win.

I agree with the OP that if we just didnt kill ourselves, we'd have at minimum 2 more wins.

The O-Line... hasnt been good, but also hasnt had the benefit of Lucas, who if he was playing, would significantly help the RG, which would help the C.

His return, and developing an actual approach to the run game would also help the O line.

O-line has been an issue but 1/3rd of the issue we can address on the fly. Its not a tear down and rebuild.

Grubb needs to pick up his game, as does Huff
 

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No doubt in my mind we would be 6-3 if not for those awful penalties at the worst times in games. We all know it, fix the OL, Grubb needs to be better, and we are in first place instead of the cellar.
 

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No doubt in my mind we would be 6-3 if not for those awful penalties at the worst times in games. We all know it, fix the OL, Grubb needs to be better, and we are in first place instead of the cellar.
Grubb needs to not believe he's the smartest man in the world. His offense looks straight out of college with the hurry up and the players looking back at the sidelines for every call, and with what seems to be 90% of the plays coming out of shotgun.

I know he can be creative and tricky, but everything is very forced or vanilla, but then again how much is that because the Oline can't do anything?

Regardless, Oline needs the improvement first and hopefully the rest follows.
 

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Yes, agreed...STOP RUNNING 90% OF THE PLAYS IN SHOTGUN!!

Good lord man, take some snaps at center so the LBs have to wonder for that split second when Geno turns his back to the defense if it's a run or pass. Shotgun removes that split second element of surprise. Drives me crazy how many times Geno is in Shotgun.

 

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Grubb needs to not believe he's the smartest man in the world. His offense looks straight out of college with the hurry up and the players looking back at the sidelines for every call, and with what seems to be 90% of the plays coming out of shotgun.

I know he can be creative and tricky, but everything is very forced or vanilla, but then again how much is that because the Oline can't do anything?

Regardless, Oline needs the improvement first and hopefully the rest follows.
Agree. But im not buying that the oline cant play better as currently constituted.if you have ever listened to Mark Schlereth opine on the struggles of an O line, he often cites the need to run the ball and do so creatively to help a line playe well. It might seem counter intuitive, but the key to running better behind a line that isnt blocking well is running more, not less, and integrating plays that force the drfense to defennd the entire LOS from sideline to sideline. Have we done that? I havent seen it.

If defenses are attacking us inside, then why arent we running away from that area? If they sre collapsing the right side, then why dont we run left? And why are our run plays seemingly ALWAYS fairly basic designs?

If they are keying on singleback formations out of the shotgun, then why dont we run i formation or more split back sets? If we are losing at the line, why dont we integrate the fullback more?

Why nit run split back sets with Charbs and K9 and force the D to guess whether the run is going left or right, or up the middle? Or out of splits, use charns to block for K9?

Point is, we have done nothing to help the run game. So between that fact and the constant procedural penalties, holding calls, inelligible downfields, etc... to me, thats coaching.

And much of that coaching has to do with Huff not adapting his scheme to his players and rather, trying to force his college approach on this team. Whether he is being FORCED to do that because he's again working with Grubb who himself is trying to force his college approach... I dont know , but it would be easy to assume the two are a package deal. Thats to say as long as Grubb is calling the plays, Huff will be running the line scheme the way Grubb wants it run. As i understand it, Grubbs approach is based on actually enducing pressure in an effort to gain an advantage in coverage. Maybe that worked in college, but in the NFL? We all saw what happened when Grubbs offense had to go toe to toe with a team who's coach knew how to call an NFL styled defense.

If you want to the line to play better, fix Grubbs approach and that in turn might help Huff actually craft a scheme that works WITH the players he has rather than against them.
 
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Agree. But im not buying that the oline cant play better as currently constituted.if you have ever listened to Mark Schlereth opine on the struggles of an O line, he often cites the need to run the ball and do so creatively to help a line playe well. It might seem counter intuitive, but the key to running better behind a line that isnt blocking well is running more, not less, and integrating plays that force the drfense to defennd the entire LOS from sideline to sideline. Have we done that? I havent seen it.

If defenses are attacking us inside, then why arent we running away from that area? If they sre collapsing the right side, then why dont we run left? And why are our run plays seemingly ALWAYS fairly basic designs?

If they are keying on singleback formations out of the shotgun, then why dont we run i formation or more split back sets? If we are losing at the line, why dont we integrate the fullback more?

Why nit run split back sets with Charbs and K9 and force the D to guess whether the run is going left or right, or up the middle? Or out of splits, use charns to block for K9?

Point is, we have done nothing to help the run game. So between that fact and the constant procedural penalties, holding calls, inelligible downfields, etc... to me, thats coaching.

And much of that coaching has to do with Huff not adapting his scheme to his players and rather, trying to force his college approach on this team. Whether he is being FORCED to do that because he's again working with Grubb who himself is trying to force his college approach.
I would agree.

The Oline is terrible, the staff can mitigate the disaster by being creative. I think the Shotgun is the lazy way of doing that. Keep Geno away from the Line, have distance so he can have at least a second or two to do something.

On paper it make sense, but I agree that disguising and confusing the defense with under center play, play action, RPO's, or having Charb and K9 both in the back field as split backs or Charb subbing in as a FB would force defenses to actually take a second to think rather than just knowing what Seattle is likely to do.

Look at the Lions and Ben Johnson (whom I really wanted as Seattle's HC), the amount of nonsense they pull in their offense is down right confusing in terms of what they're doing to defenses. That kind of misdirection, even if the play in the end is vanilla, like a run up the middle, if you see a TE at FB and a OL at WR defense gonna give that "huh" then, oh crap it was a run for 14 yards.
 

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I don't think we have what it takes now.

If you're counting strictly skill players? Then sure, maybe. K9 is great, DK is a monster (when he feels like it), Lockett is reliable, JSN got that magic in him, Geno is serviceable, and the defense has some talent, if not raw.

However, it's the Oline and it's always going to be that. It's a broken record, but until that's fixed and is molded then the sexy skill positions and whose there isn't going to matter if your QB can't stay on his feet longer than 0.5 seconds.
This.

And this: https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1789...ffense-robert-mays-athletic-nfl-analyst-help/
 

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I get it. We have a rookie HC and inexperienced coaching staff. We have a horrible O-line and have been absolutely plagued by injuries. The stupid penalties are what is frustrating to me though. If they could simply clean up the penalties, I think this team would have at least 2 more wins than they currently have. The penalties ALWAYS seem to occur at the most inopportune time. I know that Barner has been responsible for having 2 TDs called back. This team has talent. This team can win now. They still wouldn't be Superbowl contenders, but they could make the playoffs and build upon that success. Just clean up the penalties!
And this a point to take out of all this the future is bright for this team we are talented and once the coaching staff catches up and the mental mistakes stop we are a good team.. I mean this team could easily have 3 more wins if it weren't for the penalties, but that comes with new everything sometimes, I've basically relaxed on this year and I'm excited for next season..
 

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I get it. We have a rookie HC and inexperienced coaching staff. We have a horrible O-line and have been absolutely plagued by injuries. The stupid penalties are what is frustrating to me though. If they could simply clean up the penalties, I think this team would have at least 2 more wins than they currently have. The penalties ALWAYS seem to occur at the most inopportune time. I know that Barner has been responsible for having 2 TDs called back. This team has talent. This team can win now. They still wouldn't be Superbowl contenders, but they could make the playoffs and build upon that success. Just clean up the penalties!
Also... we apparently need to designate a new punt returner and/or change our punt return scheme.

Something I just saw that I didn't realize is that we have the worst starting field position in the league. So, I was trying to figure out what the heck is the cause of that. Turns out, we have one of the worst punt return averages in the league. (But surprisingly, one of the best kick return averages).
 

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Handing away games is always the most frustrating to me. I can handle losing if they play hard and go down swinging. See: Detroit game.
Still waiting to see what their actual identity is.
 

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Handing away games is always the most frustrating to me. I can handle losing if they play hard and go down swinging. See: Detroit game.
Still waiting to see what their actual identity is.
And I am holding on to the fact that we were a 9-8 team last year, poorly coached with some guys checked out towards the end. But we were 9-8! after an off-season of drafting and roster adjustments, we shouldn't be way worse than last season.
 

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Still 8 games to play. We shall see ✌️
Powered by our fearless genius HC, helped by FAs discovered by young Willi Schneider and signed by older John Schneider.

we shall go 5-3 in the next eight games, finishing the season 9-8 for a wildcard.
 

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Solid sarcasm. As long as they improve, the record isn't as important, imo. This isn't a playoff team. Yet
 

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Solid sarcasm. As long as they improve, the record isn't as important, imo. This isn't a playoff team. Yet
I respectfully disagree, I have full faith that we are a playoff team, and will go quite deep into the playoff.
 

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I'm very frustrated, and not enjoying this season. I'm usually pretty optimistic, but they're just putting so much bad sloppy football out there.

I haven't consumed any Seahawks specific digital media in weeks; which is atypical for me. I really hope that post-bye offers a rebirth; as record-wise they are far from dead.

And this isn't even a "not being contenders" thing, as I enjoyed the heck out of the TJack year and the first year of Geno. There just seems to be a lack of juice and enthusiasm.
 
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