SeatownJay
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So the other major international soccer tournament of the Summer has started. Is there any chance a team other than Germany or Spain wins this thing?
Uncle Si":9fb28hqn said:The Russians know who they're fighting. Come on. the culture of hooliganidm began with the English in the 70s and 80s. Today's English football fan does not travel well either. The violence has been replaced by sharp and hate filled insults and shouts at the local hosts, the opponents, whomever. The reply from Russians or French or whomever is reminiscent of that culture.
Anyways, the soccer hasn't been bad. Italy-Belgium the best for me so far. Would much rather see the US in this than the Copa of a choice was given.
Uncle Si":2gmaqi73 said:I do believe they know Ace. It's not a secret. It's not uncommon knowledge the massive steps the English have taken to curb hooliganism both at home and abroad. They've actually made movies about it. It's probably one of the reasons they are so emboldened in their attacks.
The English crowds are known still to be invasive, derogatory, mean spirited and horrible to the hosts of nations they visit as well as opposing fans. They incite violence (as seen by the French attacks at the pub online a couple days ago) with their illicit, antagonistic, racist, homophobic and xenophobic chants. I've seen plenty of footage and read plenty of articles. I wont pay much attention to the spoon-fed UK press, however. You can and that's fine.
The English are far from innocent victims in this. They know it. It's why they have been warned as well.
Uncle Si":1hweupm2 said:Green Street? Cute. Never actually seen it. There are literally dozens of movies and more documentaries. Your condescension is confusing given you seem to know much but grasp little of what I'm saying.
I never said the Russians weren't there to start stuff. Not at all. Find where I did. Saying that the tradition of Hooliganism has always been linked to the English, and therefore they are a target. Their antics when they travel are antagonistic. Since you know so much, you shouldn't find it hard to understand. Knowing now that you support Leeds, I'd say you're looking at this without perspective.
You literally are making a "point" (that the Russians are there to fight... um yeah. No kidding.) no one is disputing. I've seen all the footage as well Ace. When you are loudly chanting grotesque and xenophobic songs in a public place and have a tradition of fighting you are looking for a fight, or better be prepared for one. Simple really.
Some are innocent. Some are not. It's the culture of football fandom. You can find a video of some nice English just sipping beer and then finding themselves under attack. I can find you videos of English fans taunting Russians and French with slur filled chants.
SeatownJay":2luxy7ld said:The English can learn a few things from the Irish. Like singing ABBA songs with the opposition.
http://screamer.deadspin.com/abbas-danc ... 1781982054
SeatownJay":1ekrr93q said:The English can learn a few things from the Irish. Like singing ABBA songs with the opposition.
http://screamer.deadspin.com/abbas-danc ... 1781982054
Ace_Rimmer":3w3nwdch said:Uncle Si":3w3nwdch said:Green Street? Cute. Never actually seen it. There are literally dozens of movies and more documentaries. Your condescension is confusing given you seem to know much but grasp little of what I'm saying.
I never said the Russians weren't there to start stuff. Not at all. Find where I did. Saying that the tradition of Hooliganism has always been linked to the English, and therefore they are a target. Their antics when they travel are antagonistic. Since you know so much, you shouldn't find it hard to understand. Knowing now that you support Leeds, I'd say you're looking at this without perspective.
You literally are making a "point" (that the Russians are there to fight... um yeah. No kidding.) no one is disputing. I've seen all the footage as well Ace. When you are loudly chanting grotesque and xenophobic songs in a public place and have a tradition of fighting you are looking for a fight, or better be prepared for one. Simple really.
Some are innocent. Some are not. It's the culture of football fandom. You can find a video of some nice English just sipping beer and then finding themselves under attack. I can find you videos of English fans taunting Russians and French with slur filled chants.
I may have been mistaken, but it seemed that you had implied from your original post that it was the English who started this. Your point that the English don't travel well, and that they chant and use homophobic, and racist chants seemed to me that it was only the English that do this. EVERY nation does this(and the Russian are some of the worst). There was an incident not too long ago in Philadelphia at a Flyers game where someone threw a banana on the ice because of a black player playing there, so don't make this out to be like only the English football fans do this kind of stuff, because it sure seems to me like you are.
You came at my post with an intention to try and pick apart what I had said about the Russians starting this mess, and you turned it into an English fan bashing.
The reply from Russians or French or whomever is reminiscent of that culture. Your quote
Uncle Si":wz6wrzlb said:Ace_Rimmer":wz6wrzlb said:Uncle Si":wz6wrzlb said:Green Street? Cute. Never actually seen it. There are literally dozens of movies and more documentaries. Your condescension is confusing given you seem to know much but grasp little of what I'm saying.
I never said the Russians weren't there to start stuff. Not at all. Find where I did. Saying that the tradition of Hooliganism has always been linked to the English, and therefore they are a target. Their antics when they travel are antagonistic. Since you know so much, you shouldn't find it hard to understand. Knowing now that you support Leeds, I'd say you're looking at this without perspective.
You literally are making a "point" (that the Russians are there to fight... um yeah. No kidding.) no one is disputing. I've seen all the footage as well Ace. When you are loudly chanting grotesque and xenophobic songs in a public place and have a tradition of fighting you are looking for a fight, or better be prepared for one. Simple really.
Some are innocent. Some are not. It's the culture of football fandom. You can find a video of some nice English just sipping beer and then finding themselves under attack. I can find you videos of English fans taunting Russians and French with slur filled chants.
I may have been mistaken, but it seemed that you had implied from your original post that it was the English who started this. Your point that the English don't travel well, and that they chant and use homophobic, and racist chants seemed to me that it was only the English that do this. EVERY nation does this(and the Russian are some of the worst). There was an incident not too long ago in Philadelphia at a Flyers game where someone threw a banana on the ice because of a black player playing there, so don't make this out to be like only the English football fans do this kind of stuff, because it sure seems to me like you are.
You came at my post with an intention to try and pick apart what I had said about the Russians starting this mess, and you turned it into an English fan bashing.
The reply from Russians or French or whomever is reminiscent of that culture. Your quote
I am bashing the English fans for their part. You bashed the Russians. No need for me to elaborate on that. The whole thing is ridiculous. I was just attempting to add some perspective.
And if you want to assume because I am focused on the English fans that I am blind to the short comings of others then so be it. But we aren't talking about incidences involving Flyer fans, nor Italian soccer fans or the idiots at a 49ers game. They are irrelevant to this incident. This was about the Russians, English and French fighting in the streets of Marseille.
Uncle Si":k4ldw9hu said:You sure do alot of assuming and inferring. Why don't you go ahead and write my posts for me.
I blame them for antagonizing violence with absurd, illicit, derogatory chants. As I said, you went right after the Russians. No need for me to say "yeah, the Russians." But I also thought you made some incorrect inferrals, such as Russians didnt even know the worst Hooligans weren't there. Of course they did.. or just didn't care. Regardless, you want the English to be blameless. Go on then. Not many on the continent would share your view of the innocent English, nor would recent history, or even current news.