Empty seats at Candlestick

[Sports Hernia]

sigh

Hey Box, you want to control your peeps?
Nice to see you back.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I would be here. I was here right after the Hawks beat us 42-13.

And Harbaugh has never lost two games in a row in his entire coaching tenure with the 49ers. What makes you think he will lose 3? I remember when Hawk fans here were counting on the division title when they saw @NE, @SEA on our schedule. Boom Harbaugh wins at NE in December.

He is due, Superbowl losers hangover, Seattle will be the better team this year, Seattle showed the league last year how to beat SF, once the wheels fall off the Harbdouchewagon expect it to spiral out of control. I don't think he is used to being in that position, and when he is he wont handle it well. Players will put up with his "coaching style" when they are winning, when they start losing a bit, they wont put up with his BS and he'll lose the team. The niners fall will be epic and fast! :th2thumbs:

oh and BTW I remember SF fans like yourself coming on here and saying the ninnies would steamroll Seattle because, HEY, they beat NE on the road, Seattle should be a cakewalk compared to the mighty patriots.... Oops they lost by 29 points to the Hawks! So based on that logic, I wouldn't bet your house that SF WONT LOSE at least 2 in a row.

The logic that the Seahawks showed the world how to beat the 49ers is so stupid. If they did, why were the 49ers able to win 2 playoff games and advance to the superbowl only to come 5 yards short. If you recall, the 49ers defense played miserably against the Seahawks without Justin Smith and just overall got ran over that night. The offense wasn't nearly as bad as the defense. The first play the Seahawks ran was running right at RJF (no longer with the team) who was playing for Justin Smith that night. He ran it like 70 yards for a touchdown.

I never said the Seahawks would get steamrolled. It was a game I expected to lose and I would be shocked if I didn't post that here. Stop characterizing me with everyone else.

Oh and Pete Carroll has lost at least 2 games in a row 4 times in the last two years.

Outside of Box and at times Marvin49, all ninnies fans look the same to me. :229031_shrug:

 

[RolandDeschain]

Mretrade, your whole "in a row" thing is really lowering your perceived intelligence by others around here. Just my opinion.

 

[mretrade]

I disagree. I realize there is an element of luck involved but it is a good measure of how a team comes back after a lost and its ability to overcome adversity.

 

[mretrade]

And many of you guys are predicting doom and the Niners starting off 0-3 etc to start the year. Harbaugh hasn't pulled two losses in a row together.

 

[RolandDeschain]

:34853_doh:

Someone's mixing up causation and correlation. It's good to know Harbaugh will never lose two in a row, ever! :roll:

 

[mretrade]

I never said he won't and I know just as anyone the logical fallacy that association doesn't equal causation and I even above said that luck and just overall randomness of results could have a lot to do it with it. But we are fans and our analysis is limited by the fact we are not in the meetings rooms of both teams. We aren't players under both coaches. Most of all we have to go by is results. And the bottom line is Harbaugh dominates Carroll when it comes to results. And the fact that Harbaugh has never lost two in a row with the 49ers is impressive and part of that can probably be attributed to the coach who was coaching those games.

I guess the Seahawks 12th man has nothing to do with their record at home either. *rolls eyes*

 

[RolandDeschain]

If you actually believed what you just said, you wouldn't be repeatedly bringing up the in-a-row garbage. Also, Harbaugh came into a team with a ton of talent. Carroll came into a team filled with a bunch of worthless guys, the vast majority of which were tossed before his first season even started. Very different situations.

 

[mretrade]

I believe the 2 in a row thing has merit but to what degree is unknown. I find it useful to offset "49ers will tank" scenario that Seahawk fans here believe will happen 2-3 times a season.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Fine, if you believe that has merit, then this year you'll finish 9-7. Harbaugh had 13 wins, then 11 wins, now he'll have 9. It makes perfect sense!

 

[loafoftatupu]

What most fans outside the West don't get is that the Niners have been a tough out since 2008. Gore has gashed us and the defense has been tough for years.

Harbafreak should get credit for organizing the offense enough so that the QB didn't cost them games. He deserves that much and the Ninnies aren't going anywhere. They aren't tanking unless some really crazy shit happens.

 

[NINEster]

What most fans outside the West don't get is that the Niners have been a tough out since 2008. Gore has gashed us and the defense has been tough for years.

Harbafreak should get credit for organizing the offense enough so that the QB didn't cost them games. He deserves that much and the Ninnies aren't going anywhere. They aren't tanking unless some really crazy shit happens.

Logic, I approve of it.

What I predict in week 2 from SF:

1) No huddle/scripted offense early on to combat crowd noise.
2) A good amount of unscouted plays on offense.
3) Ball control oriented offense more than flashy plays, early in the game.
4) Some unique blitz packages....delay blitzes. Rams' game vs. Seahawks will be studied.

Unless there's some tragedy week 1, there will be a much healthier team on defense week 2.

When I look back at the tape of week 16, I see a Seahawks team that played essentially the perfect game.....great game plan, intensity, fortunate breaks, etc. while the 49ers were not going to win that game after giving up that first TD.

It's tough to blowout a division opponent, even if they are lousy.

The good news about the 42-13 blowout is that it's last season and will most likely filter in a bit more overconfidence in Seattle players than normal.

 

[Scottemojo]

What most fans outside the West don't get is that the Niners have been a tough out since 2008. Gore has gashed us and the defense has been tough for years.

Harbafreak should get credit for organizing the offense enough so that the QB didn't cost them games. He deserves that much and the Ninnies aren't going anywhere. They aren't tanking unless some really crazy shit happens.

Logic, I approve of it.

What I predict in week 2 from SF:

1) No huddle/scripted offense early on to combat crowd noise.
2) A good amount of unscouted plays on offense.
3) Ball control oriented offense more than flashy plays, early in the game.
4) Some unique blitz packages....delay blitzes. Rams' game vs. Seahawks will be studied.

Unless there's some tragedy week 1, there will be a much healthier team on defense week 2.

When I look back at the tape of week 16, I see a Seahawks team that played essentially the perfect game.....great game plan, intensity, fortunate breaks, etc. while the 49ers were not going to win that game after giving up that first TD.

It's tough to blowout a division opponent, even if they are lousy.

The good news about the 42-13 blowout is that it's last season and will most likely filter in a bit more overconfidence in Seattle players than normal.

1. Since you approve of logic, you also might assume the Seahawks will have some unscouted plays on offense as well.
2. SF tried to run early and the passing game was a short passing game, other than that first pass of the game. I assume that is what you mean by ball control. I would assume that Seattle will only play closer to the line with that 8th guy with Crabs out.
3. Delay blitzes are both good move and kind of not your thing. I personally like the idea of SF trying more blitzes, I want to go after man coverage in your revamped secondary, but blitzes have been fairly effective vs Wilson. I wouldn't put too much stock in that Rams game, it was both ugly and played after playoff position had been sewn up. granted, any game with the Rams has a way of going ugly, as San Fran fans know all to well. Considering in the GB game they blitzed the hell out of us, I think we will be at least a bit prepared.

I don't expect any over confidence. If anything, Seattle is just so plain fired up for home games, and especially the home opener, that expecting some kind of hangover from a 42-13 game is kind a pipe dream.

 

[NorCal]

My opinion from watching recent SEA/SF games (last 3-5 years or so) is these teams tend to beat each other with the running game. In the first game last year, Gore had a pretty good day and some key runs. In the second game, the Niners had trouble running early, and Lynch had success early. The tone was set very early by Lynch and then it snowballed from there.

It'll be interesting to see if my hypo holds true this season. My guess is in the first game SF will definitely try to control the initial game with the run. The beginning of that game is critical for the Niners to weather the storm and control the clock as much as possible.

 

[Scottemojo]

My opinion from watching recent SEA/SF games (last 3-5 years or so) is these teams tend to beat each other with the running game. In the first game last year, Gore had a pretty good day and some key runs. In the second game, the Niners had trouble running early, and Lynch had success early. The tone was set very early by Lynch and then it snowballed from there.

It'll be interesting to see if my hypo holds true this season. My guess is in the first game SF will definitely try to control the initial game with the run. The beginning of that game is critical for the Niners to weather the storm and control the clock as much as possible.

Good analysis.

 

[NINEster]

What most fans outside the West don't get is that the Niners have been a tough out since 2008. Gore has gashed us and the defense has been tough for years.

Harbafreak should get credit for organizing the offense enough so that the QB didn't cost them games. He deserves that much and the Ninnies aren't going anywhere. They aren't tanking unless some really crazy shit happens.

Logic, I approve of it.

What I predict in week 2 from SF:

1) No huddle/scripted offense early on to combat crowd noise.
2) A good amount of unscouted plays on offense.
3) Ball control oriented offense more than flashy plays, early in the game.
4) Some unique blitz packages....delay blitzes. Rams' game vs. Seahawks will be studied.

Unless there's some tragedy week 1, there will be a much healthier team on defense week 2.

When I look back at the tape of week 16, I see a Seahawks team that played essentially the perfect game.....great game plan, intensity, fortunate breaks, etc. while the 49ers were not going to win that game after giving up that first TD.

It's tough to blowout a division opponent, even if they are lousy.

The good news about the 42-13 blowout is that it's last season and will most likely filter in a bit more overconfidence in Seattle players than normal.

1. Since you approve of logic, you also might assume the Seahawks will have some unscouted plays on offense as well.
2. SF tried to run early and the passing game was a short passing game, other than that first pass of the game. I assume that is what you mean by ball control. I would assume that Seattle will only play closer to the line with that 8th guy with Crabs out.
3. Delay blitzes are both good move and kind of not your thing. I personally like the idea of SF trying more blitzes, I want to go after man coverage in your revamped secondary, but blitzes have been fairly effective vs Wilson. I wouldn't put too much stock in that Rams game, it was both ugly and played after playoff position had been sewn up. granted, any game with the Rams has a way of going ugly, as San Fran fans know all to well. Considering in the GB game they blitzed the hell out of us, I think we will be at least a bit prepared.

I don't expect any over confidence. If anything, Seattle is just so plain fired up for home games, and especially the home opener, that expecting some kind of hangover from a 42-13 game is kind a pipe dream.

I don't think the 49ers have really committed to any sort of ball control offense since Kaepernick took over, or at least Kaepernick himself hasn't. Ball control to start games is not always as exciting, but probably more important in tough road environments. 8 man in the box doesn't scare Kaepernick over the course of a long game.

Delay blitzes were something seen prior to Fangio taking over the defense with Patrick Willis. Without the creative delayed and disguised blitzes in the 2nd half of the 2011 NFC Championship game, the Giants might have been able to run away with that game. There was a bunch of guys doing it, not just Willis.

Saying delay blitzes are not the SF thing or not being able to emulate other successful game plans would be as much of a stretch as saying the Seahawks secondary would be incapable of playing zone since they're primarily a press coverage type team. It's different for defenses, especially talented ones. Screen passes are harder to implement than most defensive schemes.

Run games as NorCal alluded to will be key. Gore found a way in Candlestick to move the ball on the ground despite it being obvious that was going to be the gameplan after the disaster with the Giants the week before.

 

[rideaducati]

My opinion from watching recent SEA/SF games (last 3-5 years or so) is these teams tend to beat each other with the running game. In the first game last year, Gore had a pretty good day and some key runs. In the second game, the Niners had trouble running early, and Lynch had success early. The tone was set very early by Lynch and then it snowballed from there.

It'll be interesting to see if my hypo holds true this season. My guess is in the first game SF will definitely try to control the initial game with the run. The beginning of that game is critical for the Niners to weather the storm and control the clock as much as possible.

Harbaugh will once again start the game with passes thinking that Pete thinks he will be afraid to pass and that Pete will sell out to stop the run game. The thing is, the Seahawks put 8 in the box anyway against the niners because they don't need to concentrate on the niner passing game because the Seahawk secondary is AWESOME. :3-1:

 

[60niners]

My opinion from watching recent SEA/SF games (last 3-5 years or so) is these teams tend to beat each other with the running game. In the first game last year, Gore had a pretty good day and some key runs. In the second game, the Niners had trouble running early, and Lynch had success early. The tone was set very early by Lynch and then it snowballed from there.

It'll be interesting to see if my hypo holds true this season. My guess is in the first game SF will definitely try to control the initial game with the run. The beginning of that game is critical for the Niners to weather the storm and control the clock as much as possible.

Harbaugh will once again start the game with passes thinking that Pete thinks he will be afraid to pass and that Pete will sell out to stop the run game. The thing is, the Seahawks put 8 in the box anyway against the niners because they don't need to concentrate on the niner passing game because the Seahawk secondary is AWESOME. :3-1:

Gore has been running against 8-man boxes for the majority of his career, he'll manage. I actually think what you say is correct, that they'll stack the box until the Niners prove they can beat them through the air. I'm hoping that they will. If they're not running nickel on D, then I hope the Niners spread out the formations; 2 TE with VD in the slot maybe, and 2 split ends. If they're in base D, then VD gets a LB and that's a mismatch that favors us. If they pull off the play action, hopefully the safety will bite. This could very well happen.

I actually think the Seahawks defense could be even better if they played nickel on the majority of downs. (I don't know if they do that already or not.) If they can manage to stop the run game with 4 down, and 2 backers, that would be a defense that would be extra hard to pass on.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I'm expecting a heavy dose of running from SF. Last years' game at the Clink was the only game where Kaep looked like a first year QB. You could see it in his eyes and body language. Plus SF is incredibly gifted at putting together creative interior runs. Those plays are going to be less affected by crowd intervention. In all honesty, I think SF tried to feature Kaep in Seattle. This go around, I'd expect them to return to their roots.

Seattle's issues at DT right now would have already kind of directed SF to game plan for a heavy run offense. Add to that, SF really has virtually no WR talent to speak of with Crabtree out. There isn't one SF WR that cracks our top three. Boldin is just simply not as good as Tate. Although he is the kind of receiver I could see having success against our secondary, as his game is not dependent on achieving separation. SF's receiving options should be very very limited and Seattle will have the luxury to bracket Davis every single play as we will win 1 on 1 matchups virtually everywhere else.

 

[mretrade]

Boldin is not as good as Tate? LOL. He is a way better receiver. Long term I would take Tate since he is young but next year Boldin will be more productive as Tate. He has been every year of his career.