Earl Thomas to hold out until contract resolved

[pittpnthrs]

What's irritating is that the Hawks should have been done with this months ago. Like naive fans, they didn't believe it could get caustic. This story should be old news and it's not. Stupid and naive, John. Everyone around the league knows Thomas' worth now, or lack there of. Should gave taken a 3rd, dummy.

Oh I think John and Pete FULLY expected this..............but their playing hardball and aren't going to part with one of the best safeties in his prime for a mid to late round pick.

Nor should we want them too, we've already gotten the short end of the stick on trade deals. Giving up Earl for a 3rd or 4th rounder would be terrible business.

Good. Play hardball, make Earl report in week 6, then if he plays well? Franchise his ass and hope teams see that he's now healthy and still productive and give us what we want.

A mid to late round pick is all we'll end up getting for him anyways at this point. The whole situation is toxic now. Should have unloaded him earlier like right after the Dallas incident. Putting a franchise tag on him accomplishes nothing. He doesnt want to be here. Let him go for what we can get out of him and spare the team the drama thats destroyed it the past 3 years.

 

[vin.couve12]

What's irritating is that the Hawks should have been done with this months ago. Like naive fans, they didn't believe it could get caustic. This story should be old news and it's not. Stupid and naive, John. Everyone around the league knows Thomas' worth now, or lack there of. Should gave taken a 3rd, dummy.

Oh I think John and Pete FULLY expected this..............but their playing hardball and aren't going to part with one of the best safeties in his prime for a mid to late round pick.

Nor should we want them too, we've already gotten the short end of the stick on trade deals. Giving up Earl for a 3rd or 4th rounder would be terrible business.

Good. Play hardball, make Earl report in week 6, then if he plays well? Franchise his ass and hope teams see that he's now healthy and still productive and give us what we want.

Aren't going to part? This isn't about how good he is or not. If you expect this then you deal with it on the front end. Not get into a standoff of face saving to set a precedent that the player doesn't have control. They screwed themselves by sitting around jerking off for months talking about, "He's a Seahawk. He's under contract." They tried to damage control Earl's mouth when he shoulf have been openly on the trade block in February for the highest bidder. Now the've let Earl's mouth devalue him even more when no one wants to give a player of his character AT 29, a long term contract.

He's a bad bet plain and simple. And your continued talk about franchising him is about your feelings and punishment. You, like the Seahawks, need to get back to business with the current team. You, like the Seahawks, are in a downward spiral with this situation due to failure to act.

Not that you hae a say obviously, but there is absolutely no point in keeping on with tgis trash for a year and a half.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You, are assuming that you know what truly happened behind closed doors. None of us do. Let him sit, concentrate on the guys who we HAVE on the team and who want to be there. It's time to stop worrying about what the team DOESN'T have and concentrate on those who are buying in.

 

[pittpnthrs]

But we can franchise Earl for two more years before his safety number is cap prohibitive. The safety franchise number is barely more than he's making now.

So yeah, does he want to do this for three more years? I don't get what leverage Earl thinks he has.

He has the leverage of the team and his teammates knowing he doesnt want to play here. Knowing he would have to be here for the next three years is going to have him sitting out, not playing at 100% to save his body, and being the biggest distraction that any team could have. 3 more years means the contract he wants will not be possible anyways so he's going to do whatever he can to make us as miserable as possibly can. Get rid of him now for whatever we can, but make it happen.

 

[vin.couve12]

You, are assuming that you know what truly happened behind closed doors. None of us do. Let him sit, concentrate on the guys who we HAVE on the team and who want to be there. It's time to stop worrying about what the team DOESN'T have and concentrate on those who are buying in.

Failure to act, period. Behind closed doors is meaningless now. It was naive to not see this coming and with every Earl antic, he's worth less and less. Failure to act and lack of foresight. This is the worst handling of a situation by the FO to date.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

What's irritating is that the Hawks should have been done with this months ago. Like naive fans, they didn't believe it could get caustic. This story should be old news and it's not. Stupid and naive, John. Everyone around the league knows Thomas' worth now, or lack there of. Should gave taken a 3rd, dummy.

Oh I think John and Pete FULLY expected this..............but their playing hardball and aren't going to part with one of the best safeties in his prime for a mid to late round pick.

Nor should we want them too, we've already gotten the short end of the stick on trade deals. Giving up Earl for a 3rd or 4th rounder would be terrible business.

Good. Play hardball, make Earl report in week 6, then if he plays well? Franchise his ass and hope teams see that he's now healthy and still productive and give us what we want.

A mid to late round pick is all we'll end up getting for him anyways at this point. The whole situation is toxic now. Should have unloaded him earlier like right after the Dallas incident. Putting a franchise tag on him accomplishes nothing. He doesnt want to be here. Let him go for what we can get out of him and spare the team the drama thats destroyed it the past 3 years.

Not true at all.

If Earl comes back, has an All Pro year where he proves he can stay healthy and still in his prime................that alone elevates his trade value from mid round to high round.

The main reason we're only getting mid to late round offer is because other teams think the same as we think, "Earl is coming off injuries and we don't want to give him 40M guaranteed."

One year of full health + All Pro = higher value.

One year of poor health + mediocre play = goodbye.

So all you're really gambling is a 4th rounder and continued distraction of which he's already been? I'll take that bet every time if it means the possibility of getting a higher pick in a trade.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So Vin, let me guess, you know better than the Front Office and/or what they TRULY were offered? Ok :roll:
Trading him for the sake of just getting rid of him, when he clearly has a lot of football left in him? Screw that. Make him either sit until he is forced to play after the 6 weeks. Or let him sit until a team offers something up worth trading him for. Shoot, if he plays well, and stays healthy, they can get a good return.

 

[pittpnthrs]

You, are assuming that you know what truly happened behind closed doors. None of us do. Let him sit, concentrate on the guys who we HAVE on the team and who want to be there. It's time to stop worrying about what the team DOESN'T have and concentrate on those who are buying in.

I'm making assumptions based off of the news that Earls in almost every single day. I havent heard Earl come out even once and deny that things arent as bad as they seem. Thinking that this can end anyway but badly is being shortsighted. If we want to concentrate on the players that are here and buying in, then why bother to keep the cancer to begin with?

 

[jammerhawk]

You need another team to be a trading partner and you need to agree to terms over the trade. So far the team has had no luck finding the trading partner or reaching any agreement as to trade terms.

It's not hard to see why this is as Thomas has expectations for a new contract that are inconsistent with the present market for his position. Great player or not no team is going to want to get into a Sheldon Richardson type situation with Thomas and have nothing after this season for the draft pick(s) given up. He's not likely to be paid the $ he wants either.

Has the FO screwed this up? Don't think so, and Thomas is doing himself and the team no favours.

 

[pittpnthrs]

You, are assuming that you know what truly happened behind closed doors. None of us do. Let him sit, concentrate on the guys who we HAVE on the team and who want to be there. It's time to stop worrying about what the team DOESN'T have and concentrate on those who are buying in.

Failure to act, period. Behind closed doors is meaningless now. It was naive to not see this coming and with every Earl antic, he's worth less and less. Failure to act and lack of foresight. This is the worst handling of a situation by the FO to date.

Agreed. And instead of ridding themselves of the problem, they continue to let it fester.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We get it, the front office is the worst in football. Better? :lol:

 

[pittpnthrs]

Not true at all.

If Earl comes back, has an All Pro year where he proves he can stay healthy and still in his prime................that alone elevates his trade value from mid round to high round.

The main reason we're only getting mid to late round offer is because other teams think the same as we think, "Earl is coming off injuries and we don't want to give him 40M guaranteed."

One year of full health + All Pro = higher value.

One year of poor health + mediocre play = goodbye.

So all you're really gambling is a 4th rounder and continued distraction of which he's already been? I'll take that bet every time if it means the possibility of getting a higher pick in a trade.

Thats the perfect situation that isnt going to happen. Earls healthy. Guy played 14 games last season coming off a broken leg the year before. He has nothing to prove in that aspect.

 

[pittpnthrs]

We get it, the front office is the worst in football. Better? :lol:

Not the worst by a long shot, but they havent been good for quite a few years. Hard to not admit that.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Your opinion, not mine.

 

[Seymour]

Now wants to be a Raider.... :roll:

On Tuesday, Dallas Cowboys’ reporter Newy Scruggs reported that Thomas went up to Raiders owner Mark Davis and told him that he would like to play for Oakland:

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/20...wks-fs-earl-thomas-wants-to-play-for-raiders/


[tweet]https://twitter.com/newyscruggs/status/1021804795642957826[/tweet]

 

[homerun1970]

He wants to get out of a bad situation he created. Can't see any team giving him the 6 yr contract he feels he deserves to show respect. He can probably go tell 31 teams to come get him but unless he and the team both lower their demands they wont.

 

[jammerhawk]

We get it, the front office is the worst in football. Better? :lol:

Not the worst by a long shot, but they havent been good for quite a few years. Hard to not admit that.

So sorry but I don't agree.

Did Pn'J make mistakes in keeping Bevell and Cable? Without a doubt! Did those decisions fester with some former members of the team, and did the team move away from it's past personna to accommodate those erroneous decisions, absolutely no question. The bitter pill of of XLIX was not well swallowed by the FO and by the team and it lost focus. The changes have been made albeit 2 seasons too late. Further some of the go big or go home decisions as far as personnel i.e.: Harvin, Graham and S. Richardson were not good decisions for the team as the OC, coaching, OLine and philosophy got muddled. The loss of draft picks and potential other OLine players to be added was hurtful to the team's prospects. Changes were obviously needed and they were delayed too long. Was this incompetence or just Pete's unwillingness to dump friends. Some will disagree and I can deal with a difference of opinion but for the most part the team has replaced talent with talent and has kept some depth save for their early draft pick trades.

S. Richardson to me was the biggest mistake and reason for Pete to butt out in making key personnel decisions as trading for him w/o a contract in place and giving up the early draft picks and draft picks traded away was foolish. This is sort of where other teams are at when thinking about acquiring Thomas or Sherman or whomever with one year to go on their respective deals.

This FO is still doing things better than they have ever been done here before.

 

[kf3339]

Now wants to be a Raider.... :roll:

On Tuesday, Dallas Cowboys’ reporter Newy Scruggs reported that Thomas went up to Raiders owner Mark Davis and told him that he would like to play for Oakland:

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/20...wks-fs-earl-thomas-wants-to-play-for-raiders/


[tweet]https://twitter.com/newyscruggs/status/1021804795642957826[/tweet]

This just proves he's desperate. Not the Hawks.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Not true at all.

If Earl comes back, has an All Pro year where he proves he can stay healthy and still in his prime................that alone elevates his trade value from mid round to high round.

The main reason we're only getting mid to late round offer is because other teams think the same as we think, "Earl is coming off injuries and we don't want to give him 40M guaranteed."

One year of full health + All Pro = higher value.

One year of poor health + mediocre play = goodbye.

So all you're really gambling is a 4th rounder and continued distraction of which he's already been? I'll take that bet every time if it means the possibility of getting a higher pick in a trade.

Thats the perfect situation that isnt going to happen. Earls healthy. Guy played 14 games last season coming off a broken leg the year before. He has nothing to prove in that aspect.

Then why aren't teams offering more, and why don't we want to give him another extension.

Two years in a row of getting hurt = injury history.

Giving him away for a 4th rounder would be terrible for me..............I already think this is a rebuilding year, so I have no problem what so ever with playing hardball and trying to get more in a trade.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, don't give in to him. You either play or you sit. As the season goes on, all it takes is one injury to a safety and a team will offer up something worth considering.