DVR review Seahawks vs. Raiders

[grizbob]

Alright, gotta ask, who's fat rabbit? I saw you refer to that before as well and I have no clue who you're talking about.

:lol: Nice to see I'm not the only one that's ignernt :mrgreen:

 

[Renohawk]

I noticed after watching it on DVR myself I was very happy with Carpenters solid performance, seemed to tire a bit towards the end.

 

[Vetamur]

Every one go re read the rules..mods maybe some attention? Ok.. the guy said an unpopular opinion. But its still a ATTACK THE POST NOT THE POSTER board, correct? Get off his back. You all are one step short of that old "Im a better fan than you" non sense.

Kearly is an intelligent poster, and puts excellent posts up that he spends good time on. That doesnt mean other people wont disagree with him. And just because Kearly has seniority doesnt mean he is right. I think Seahawkboy or whatever should probably word things a bit..more civily? but in any case, lets stick to content.

In this case, he may just be right. Go back and watch yourself. Yes, Irvin only gets ONE sack.. and isnt horribly involved the rest of the time..but most plays go away from him if you notice and if that was on purpose (i doubt it was) then that in itself would be affecting the game quite a bit.

Kearly is a good writer but I frequently disagree with at least some of his analysis, I just dont put the time into posting well constructed arguments. I have to divide my time differently than him. Im sure Kearly himself appreciates it when someone disagrees or challenges his viewpoints, as an opportunity to look at things with new eyes and see if there is something he missed.

 

[kearly]

Irvins "sack" is him chasing down an elite athlete in the backfield, what a bum. Oh yeah I forgot you been ragging on him all offseason, he will only get 5 sacks this season. I would like these posts more if they were bias. Irvin also played well in coverage and had a few hard tackles too mention. Take the goggles off, if your going to try and write a constructive review. Not just write posts like he did squat, when he had an above average performance with good production.

I know that you are just attacking for the sake of attacking because it is fun for you, and you probably won't be here much longer by the looks of things, so I'm probably wasting my time... but you misunderstand me about as much as you possibly could. Bruce Irvin was one of my absolute favorite players in the 2012 draft and I stumped hard for him in the draft forum and at Seahawks Draft Blog before he became a Seahawk. I said on many occasions that Wilson and Irvin were the two players we had to find a way to walk out of the 2012 draft with.

I predicted he'd have an 8 sack season (which is very good for a rookie) while looking uneven and he met my prediction perfectly.

I think he's looked very promising at LB, and my reports reflect that. I like his future at the position. You can forget about him getting 10+ sacks though. They are using him like a typical 4-3 SAM LB. So five sacks would be a nice goal to start with. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his usage.

He had a great play, it was just a TFL instead of a sack. I wasn't harping on Irvin, I was simply correcting a mistake by the scorer.

Skip Baseless would be proud of your ability to contort logic to support an attack. Very few people here have been higher on Irvin longer than I have, I'm just reporting what I see in his development and keeping an open mind even though he's one of my favorites. I've also been saying for over a year that our O-line is much better than people think, and I recently went out of my way to defend our line after they were victimized by some shoddy holding calls vs. Green Bay. If you are going to label me a hater, at least pick an area that I am actually "hating" on.

 

[General Manager]

Irvin had an impact on the field he usually does.

 

[Thunderhawk]

I feel like Willson should have gotten more love in your synopsis, kearly. He had a GREAT game, apart from missing a block.

 

[Teqneek]

Irvins "sack" is him chasing down an elite athlete in the backfield, what a bum. Oh yeah I forgot you been ragging on him all offseason, he will only get 5 sacks this season. I would like these posts more if they were bias. Irvin also played well in coverage and had a few hard tackles too mention. Take the goggles off, if your going to try and write a constructive review. Not just write posts like he did squat, when he had an above average performance with good production.

love it when the new guy comes in and talks down to the respected veterans.

Talks down? Because hes not kissing his feet for doing a write up? I love it when board members here with hundreds and thousands of posts some how expect others to treat them like royalty because they spend an absurd about of time posting on a message board?

SeaTown for future reference, you must lemming the "Respected" thousand + count posters here, by thoroughly agreeing with their points and in no way shape or form expressing yours about said opinion.

In some cases these responses are warranted, for SeaTowns case, I'm really not sure what your issue is.

 

[Teqneek]

Irvins "sack" is him chasing down an elite athlete in the backfield, what a bum. Oh yeah I forgot you been ragging on him all offseason, he will only get 5 sacks this season. I would like these posts more if they were bias. Irvin also played well in coverage and had a few hard tackles too mention. Take the goggles off, if your going to try and write a constructive review. Not just write posts like he did squat, when he had an above average performance with good production.

I know that you are just attacking for the sake of attacking because it is fun for you, and you probably won't be here much longer by the looks of things, so I'm probably wasting my time... but you misunderstand me about as much as you possibly could. Bruce Irvin was one of my absolute favorite players in the 2012 draft and I stumped hard for him in the draft forum and at Seahawks Draft Blog before he became a Seahawk. I said on many occasions that Wilson and Irvin were the two players we had to find a way to walk out of the 2012 draft with.

I predicted he'd have an 8 sack season (which is very good for a rookie) while looking uneven and he met my prediction perfectly.

I think he's looked very promising at LB, and my reports reflect that. I like his future at the position. You can forget about him getting 10+ sacks though. They are using him like a typical 4-3 SAM LB. So five sacks would be a nice goal to start with. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his usage.

He had a great play, it was just a TFL instead of a sack. I wasn't harping on Irvin, I was simply correcting a mistake by the scorer.

Skip Baseless would be proud of your ability to contort logic to support an attack. Very few people here have been higher on Irvin longer than I have, I'm just reporting what I see in his development and keeping an open mind even though he's one of my favorites. I've also been saying for over a year that our O-line is much better than people think, and I recently went out of my way to defend our line after they were victimized by some shoddy holding calls vs. Green Bay. If you are going to label me a hater, at least pick an area that I am actually "hating" on.

And now hes attacking because he told you to take the goggles off and he doesn't like how you write your reviews? :roll:

 

[Scottemojo]

Every one go re read the rules..mods maybe some attention? Ok.. the guy said an unpopular opinion. But its still a ATTACK THE POST NOT THE POSTER board, correct? Get off his back. You all are one step short of that old "Im a better fan than you" non sense.

Kearly is an intelligent poster, and puts excellent posts up that he spends good time on. That doesnt mean other people wont disagree with him. And just because Kearly has seniority doesnt mean he is right. I think Seahawkboy or whatever should probably word things a bit..more civily? but in any case, lets stick to content.

In this case, he may just be right. Go back and watch yourself. Yes, Irvin only gets ONE sack.. and isnt horribly involved the rest of the time..but most plays go away from him if you notice and if that was on purpose (i doubt it was) then that in itself would be affecting the game quite a bit.

Kearly is a good writer but I frequently disagree with at least some of his analysis, I just dont put the time into posting well constructed arguments. I have to divide my time differently than him. Im sure Kearly himself appreciates it when someone disagrees or challenges his viewpoints, as an opportunity to look at things with new eyes and see if there is something he missed.

Agreed. I will cease hostilities.
So I will offer a real take.

I think Irvin at LB is good and bad. He looks like the best LB in the world in lateral pursuit. He looks less than aware dropping into zones. He seems to have little awareness of what is going on behind him. On a read option look he looked extremely well coached and instinctive attacking the ball.

My opinion? he will be asked to cover very little. Run sets will go straight at him to test his desire to mix it up, and I think he will come up lacking even against blocking tight ends. He will eat up stretch plays and outside zone reads with lateral and slashing quickness. They are going to turn him loose to attack when he sees read option.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Irvins "sack" is him chasing down an elite athlete in the backfield, what a bum. Oh yeah I forgot you been ragging on him all offseason, he will only get 5 sacks this season. I would like these posts more if they were bias. Irvin also played well in coverage and had a few hard tackles too mention. Take the goggles off, if your going to try and write a constructive review. Not just write posts like he did squat, when he had an above average performance with good production.

love it when the new guy comes in and talks down to the respected veterans.

Talks down? Because hes not kissing his feet for doing a write up? I love it when board members here with hundreds and thousands of posts some how expect others to treat them like royalty because they spend an absurd about of time posting on a message board?

SeaTown for future reference, you must lemming the "Respected" thousand + count posters here, by thoroughly agreeing with their points and in no way shape or form expressing yours about said opinion.

In some cases these responses are warranted, for SeaTowns case, I'm really not sure what your issue is.

There's a very obvious difference between a disagreement, and a new poster talking down in a very condescending manner to a very well respected poster. I don't see what you're on about. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding between you and those who had their feathers ruffled by SeaTown and his overly-hostile post. No one's asking (or encouraging the notion) that it's required everyone agree with the respected veteran members of the board, we're just asking that it's done in a more respectful manner, free of the distinct troll tone that SeaTown is spewing everywhere.

 

[chris98251]

This is going no where.

 

[Happy]

I love these DVR review threads.

So.....we're back on topic now right? Awesome.

Please continue ::sips red bull::

 

[The Radish]

LOL saying he got a sack nobody else could have got in a post, than saying he wasn't that good makes you look like a guru bud. I just watched every Seahawks preseason game from start to finish, so I can troll the boards you caught me! I with the double poster here, Irvin sucks he just got the most sacks as a rookie last year because im not a Seahawks fan.

I always forget everyone knows what is what on this board, cause Mrob is still on the team. Oh that's right 95% of you mocked people for posting anything saying he might get cut. Sorry for not agreeing with everything posted by everyone on this board bud.

And Seatownboy waves as he rides off into the blood red sunset after trying to take Kearly's briefcase not realizing Kearly actually keeps his briefs in his briefcase.

:th2thumbs:

 

[kearly]

I feel like Willson should have gotten more love in your synopsis, kearly. He had a GREAT game, apart from missing a block.

I gave Willson a ton of love in the random thoughts thread, I just didn't repeat the thoughts from there or this would go 7000 words. Willson had a very solid game and has made encouraging progress week to week this preseason.

And now hes attacking because he told you to take the goggles off and he doesn't like how you write your reviews? :roll:

First off, lame use of an eyeroll. Straw man rhetorical questions are bad enough, don't compound them with an expression reserved for middle schoolers.

Second off, you are incorrect. His tone and persistence and twisting of facts clearly shows that he was trolling for the sake of trolling. He also had some pretty direct insults in there, for example accusing me of being blinded (by what I have no idea) and being unable to write a constructive review. Those are clearly attacks. He was as insulting as he was uninformed of my analysis. Apparently this is nothing new for him, many other users picked up on this, a few requested ban consideration, and now he's gone.

I have nothing against him, I just corrected him and called him out for what he clearly was. It was abundantly obvious he was in troll mode. Even if you agree with his opinions, I seriously have no idea why you are defending him for his behavior. I essentially agree with his opinions (regarding Irvin and OL) too, but the guy just assumes things based on one statement, and blows them out of proportion. The irony is that he accuses my analysis of not being constructive when it is I think the definition of constructive- it's honest and even handed. I talked up Bruce Irvin last week when he looked great then said he looked ordinary the next week when he looked ordinary.

Think our coaches don't point out things to work on with our players? Of course they do. Jeez, what a bunch of insensitive jerks our coaches are. So insensitive. Such jerks. In my case, I just want to better understand this team and the talent that's on it. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL has things he can improve on or weaknesses he needs to mask. Obviously, that includes every Seahawk. I'm trying to find out what those weak areas are as well as the strong areas so that I can better anticipate what the future of that player might look like.

I think his definition of constructive is "never say anything less than 110% positive about any Seahawk." Actually I don't even think he has a definition. I think he was just trolling indiscriminately and reached for that word.

One thing I am getting a little tired of is people misrepresenting my position on issues. Seriously, cut it out people. Disagreeing is fine, just get your facts straight and don't interpret any negative observation as me being negative on the player. That's just stupid, and doesn't lead to good things.

I am totally fine with disagreement, and there are probably 1-2 instances a month where I'll change my view to someone else's. I make mistakes or miss details all the time. In fact, back when I posted big articles on Seahawks Draft Blog or 17power I'd actually post them here first because it was invaluable for feedback and essentially turned .net into a massive editor staff that helped me produce a better final product. So I don't at all mind debate or disagreement or correction. But that guy? Yeah, clearly had a stick up his butt. And not just in regards to me, apparently.

PS:

Nobody cares about post-count except for new users who use it to fuel a persecution complex. Seriously, some of my favorite posters here have less than 100 posts. And I always think, "how in the hell does he only have 47 posts since 2009?! I bet I've seen every one of them." Nobody cares what the post count is. Most people that have 10,000 posts probably just spammed the game day forum to get there. It's entirely meaningless. All that matters is that when people do speak, their voice is heard, and the listeners want to hear more of it.

At the same time, respect has to be earned and there is such a thing as equity. If someone who hasn't established that respect is unnecessarily disrespectful of someone who has, it is only natural that doing so will draw an unfavorable reaction from others. At the same time, users who do have equity built up still have to be respectful of others or else they could lose some of that respect they worked hard to earn. This is a very independent community and everyone is held accountable for how they treat others.

 

[kearly]

I think Irvin at LB is good and bad. He looks like the best LB in the world in lateral pursuit. He looks less than aware dropping into zones. He seems to have little awareness of what is going on behind him. On a read option look he looked extremely well coached and instinctive attacking the ball.

My opinion? he will be asked to cover very little. Run sets will go straight at him to test his desire to mix it up, and I think he will come up lacking even against blocking tight ends. He will eat up stretch plays and outside zone reads with lateral and slashing quickness. They are going to turn him loose to attack when he sees read option.

I had that same thought- Irvin at SAM strikes me as someone who will shine the most vs. read option QBs.

 

[ivotuk]

I think Irvin at LB is good and bad. He looks like the best LB in the world in lateral pursuit. He looks less than aware dropping into zones. He seems to have little awareness of what is going on behind him. On a read option look he looked extremely well coached and instinctive attacking the ball.

My opinion? he will be asked to cover very little. Run sets will go straight at him to test his desire to mix it up, and I think he will come up lacking even against blocking tight ends. He will eat up stretch plays and outside zone reads with lateral and slashing quickness. They are going to turn him loose to attack when he sees read option.

I had that same thought- Irvin at SAM strikes me as someone who will shine the most vs. read option QBs.

I think you hit the nail on the head there, and that may be why they are moving Bruce there. Remember that the fastest way to the playoffs is through your division, and containing Kapernick might do that for us. Against St Louis I'm glad we kept Thurmond and Lane because i think they are well suited to taking Tavon.

Glad to see sestownboy gone, it was painfully obvious that his whole intent was to upset people. It was unfortunate too as it appeared he may have had some decent arguments. One cannot carry on a conversation though when they are constantly insulting the intelligence of others. Thank you Les, i wasn't about to post in this thread until that "person" was gone.

 

[Happy]

On the play where irvin chased pryor down in the backfield, it was eye popping. Pryor has elite speed and the way irvin ran him down, it was impressive to say the least.

But, it sounds like perhaps it's time to recalibrate expectations of Irvin. From what the big brains are saying he's looking more and more like a situational player. Might as well just rip the band-aid off and get the disappointment over with now.