Does anyone really think Clark will be traded

[seabowl]

Frank Clark to the Raiders for the 27th pick . This trade makes the most sense and I think it could happen but it would really put Seattle in a bad spot this year rushing the passer . Clark also had a lot of tackles for loss last year. Let's not pretend were not giving up a top EDGE rusher if this move is made because we are and Frank is only 25.

They would have kept and paid Mack instead.

 

[Steve2222]

Right because Top 5 picks never bust and Josh Allen is a sure thing

 

[A-Dog]

I'd give my left nut (not really) to see the Hawks put a package together to move up to #3 if Williams is available. Obviously that is unlikely but maybe the Jets would take Clark, #21, and a top pick next year. Williams could swing between 3-tech and 5-tech like Bennett did.

Perhaps more feasible would be something like Clark and the #21 to the Bills for #9 and #74? The #9 would put the Hawks in the range to get one of the better DL plus add an extra pick. Sweat or Oliver could drop in to the #9 range, and a guy like Brian Burns should be there.

In either case, of course there would be more money available to add a starting-caliber player or two in FA.

 

[LTH]

I think they would consider it if they could get a high 2nd and a late 5th... if there were some players they really liked in the middle rounds that they thought could be immediate impacts at key needs...they could trade down and get multiple picks... just depends on how they value Clark, what they can get for him and how they value the draft...

truth is I have no clue LOL

LTH

 

[Popeyejones]

Because teams will also need to pay him, Clark's value is a second round pick, IMO.

That's what the market has been for comparable players (Chandler Jones and Dee Ford).

I don't think Seahawks will part with him for a second.

Instead they'll do what they did with Thomas and Sherman, try to trade them, not like the offers enough, and just let them play out.

A trade that makes a lot of sense would be the Raiders pick at the top of the second. That would happen during the day Friday, though (there's so much edge talent in the first this year Clark's value is depressed until after the first is over, and teams that miss out on it will be more motivated to trade after it's gone).

 

[jammerhawk]

Isn't it curious how the national media wants to create controversy surrounding the Seahawks? Click bait.

Clark has morphed, according to this nonsense, into being disgruntled and unhappy from being a leader of the D.

The team will consider every deal and Clark could be traded, but it'd take a very good deal for it to happen.

Meanwhile enjoy this nonsense. :stirthepot: :snack: :177692:

 

[warden]

Isn't it curious how the national media wants to create controversy surrounding the Seahawks? Click bait.

Clark has morphed, according to this nonsense, into being disgruntled and unhappy from being a leader of the D.

The team will consider every deal and Clark could be traded, but it'd take a very good deal for it to happen.

Meanwhile enjoy this nonsense. :stirthepot: :snack: :177692:

First good post

 

[chris98251]

Ignore the Mediots, John already stated they want Frank here and will find a way to make it all work out.

 

[knownone]

They would definitely trade Frank if they got fair value. Given the DE depth in the draft, they are unlikely to get even close to fair value.

I mentioned this at the end of the season. Frank is worth a 1st and 3rd. His valuation isn’t really up for debate. That is the going rate for guys his age with his production and health. Contract doesn’t matter either; Mack was traded for essentially two 1sts, and he signed the richest extension for a defensive player in NFL history.

The question is: how much less would you be willing to take for Frank? There is no doubt in my mind they’d move him for a 1st and 3rd, but I hesitate when it’s even just a 1st round pick.

That is why I don’t think a deal gets done. You don’t sell assets when the market is down unless you are rebuilding or moving on from a problem; Frank is not a problem, and we are not rebuilding.

 

[lukerguy]

This dude is right:
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000957785/biggest-defensive-trades-in-recent-nfl-history


Jared Allen is a pretty good comparison. Similar age, almost exact same production to date in their careers and they got a 1st and 2 3rds.

Seymour got a mid 1st in a contract year but at age 29.. clark has got to be worth more than that.

.. the more you know.

 

[Kinger95]

Text book patriots move here would be to trade him for assets. Use the 21 million in savings to upgrade roster somewhere else. Actually a no brainer as far as what’s more valuable.

Frank Clark or Say pick 33 and 20 million to spend elsewhere

 

[knownone]

Text book patriots move here would be to trade him for assets. Use the 21 million in savings to upgrade roster somewhere else. Actually a no brainer as far as what’s more valuable.

Frank Clark or Say pick 33 and 20 million to spend elsewhere

What position do they need to upgrade more than pass rush? That's why I don't think this is a no brainier unless you're getting a 1st + something else in value.

It makes no sense to trade Frank for the 33rd pick and then reinvest that 20M into the hole you've just created. Who would you sign? Ansah? Suh? Frank costs 17M against the cap this season. You don't have to sign him to a long-term contract. So trading him this season only saves you 17M this season, and those are the only proven veterans on the market that you could feasibly replace his production with. You'd be better off keeping him, drafting another young guy, and trying to move on from him next season when you've at least in theory replaced his production.

Otherwise, you are trading Frank and risking your season to gamble on replacing his production with a 2nd round pick. All because you don't want to pay him 17M.

 

[lukerguy]

Text book patriots move here would be to trade him for assets. Use the 21 million in savings to upgrade roster somewhere else. Actually a no brainer as far as what’s more valuable.

Frank Clark or Say pick 33 and 20 million to spend elsewhere

What position do they need to upgrade more than pass rush? That's why I don't think this is a no brainier unless you're getting a 1st + something else in value.

It makes no sense to trade Frank for the 33rd pick and then reinvest that 20M into the hole you've just created. Who would you sign? Ansah? Suh? Frank costs 17M against the cap this season. You don't have to sign him to a long-term contract. So trading him this season only saves you 17M this season, and those are the only proven veterans on the market that you could feasibly replace his production with. You'd be better off keeping him, drafting another young guy, and trying to move on from him next season when you've at least in theory replaced his production.

Otherwise, you are trading Frank and risking your season to gamble on replacing his production with a 2nd round pick. All because you don't want to pay him 17M.

I agree. In order for the Hawks to get value from a trade, they need to get more than 33.

I believe you'd need to get pick 14-17 straight up or a late 1st and 3rd type value to give up the immediate production of a 15 sack 26 year old.

 

[Steve2222]

Text book patriots move here would be to trade him for assets. Use the 21 million in savings to upgrade roster somewhere else. Actually a no brainer as far as what’s more valuable.

Frank Clark or Say pick 33 and 20 million to spend elsewhere

Bingo. The only player on the Patriots roster who isn’t expendable is Tom Brady. Everyone else they groom and trade away for future assets. A model that I don’t understand why more teams with franchise QBs don’t follow. I’m fully onboard with trading Frank if the return makes sense.

 

[Seymour]

I doubt even the Jets would be monumentally stupid enough to give up Josh Allen or Quinnen Williams on a rookie deal for Frank Clark demanding $21M.

I keep reading Clark is "demanding" $21M.

Where exactly is this information coming from?

It's being written like it is fact, and I am questioning that.

I still say he is worth around $16M, and has not proven he has elite talent IMO. I would not pay a dime over $18M personally.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I doubt even the Jets would be monumentally stupid enough to give up Josh Allen or Quinnen Williams on a rookie deal for Frank Clark demanding $21M.

I keep reading Clark is "demanding" $21M.

Where exactly is this information coming from?

It's being written like it is fact, and I am questioning that.

I still say he is worth around $16M, and has not proven he has elite talent IMO. I would not pay a dime over $18M personally.

Why would he not demand 21M+?

Demarcus Lawrence just got 21M, and Clark has more sacks in one less year than Lawrence, and he's two years younger. So of course he's asking for as much, or more.

It also makes sense as to why we had to franchise Frank and now there's trade rumors. The two sides are still so far apart, that's how these trade rumors start.

Either way Seymour, ain't no way in hell Clark and his agent accept 5M less than Lawrence, when Frank is better and younger.

 

[Hawkstorian]

2 Years ago - Sherman
1 Year ago - Thomas
This year - Clark

Seahawks haven't had much luck getting the value for a player they've tried to offload.

 

[Seymour]

Ignore the Mediots, John already stated they want Frank here and will find a way to make it all work out.

That means absolutely nothing, what else would you expect him to say? They said the same thing about Harvin 1 week before cutting him lose. :177692:

I say 70/30 he is gone by Thursday.

 

[Seymour]

I doubt even the Jets would be monumentally stupid enough to give up Josh Allen or Quinnen Williams on a rookie deal for Frank Clark demanding $21M.

I keep reading Clark is "demanding" $21M.

Where exactly is this information coming from?

It's being written like it is fact, and I am questioning that.

I still say he is worth around $16M, and has not proven he has elite talent IMO. I would not pay a dime over $18M personally.

Why would he not demand 21M+?

Demarcus Lawrence just got 21M, and Clark has more sacks in one less year than Lawrence, and he's two years younger. So of course he's asking for as much, or more.

It also makes sense as to why we had to franchise Frank and now there's trade rumors. The two sides are still so far apart, that's how these trade rumors start.

Either way Seymour, ain't no way in hell Clark and his agent accept 5M less than Lawrence, when Frank is better and younger.

That is NOT an answer, people can be over paid. You look at more than 1 contract as a GM :roll:

 

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