Darrell Bevell OTA Press Conference 6/2/15

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PackerNation wrote - "Keep in mind, it was Darrell Bevell who brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without him, you'd still be looking for a starting QB."

PackerNation wrote - "Bevell scouted him and brought it to their attention about how good Wilson was."

Thanks kearly for wording it so eloquently.

 

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Schneider?

Bevell scouted him and brought it to their attention about how good Wilson was.

Bevell had nothing to do with it.

In 2012 off-season, Bevell was scouting quarterback Russell Wilson, who attended Wisconsin, his alma mater. Bevell attended Wilson's pro-day which very few NFL scouts attended. Through the off-season, the Seahawks obtained Green Bay Packers back-up quarterback Matt Flynn who experts thought was Bevell's choice of quarterback. Going into the 2012 NFL Draft it was thought Seattle was set at the quarterback position since they had Flynn and Tarvaris Jackson, but for whatever reason Seahawks decided to add one more, drafting Russell Wilson out of University of Wisconsin-Madison in the third round. Thoughts on selecting Wilson, Pete Carroll stated, "It was Bevell's project". In training camp the quarterback competition was thinned out between two, after Jackson was traded to the Buffalo Bills.

That quote is taken wildly out of context. It is likely referring to Carroll tasking Bevell with coaching Wilson up in the NFL.

JS had been following Russell Wilson since his earliest days at NC State, long before Bevell joined Seattle in 2011. JS was also the guy who sold Wilson to Carroll, and had to over-ride the objections of his entire scouting department. It was a JS pick all the way.



Besides, OC's don't really scout players anyway. They attend pro-days and watch the video cutups during draft season with the rest of the coaches, and they are asked for their opinions, but they aren't scouts. Obviously, an OC can't fly across the country to watch games on Saturday then call a game the next day in the NFL. By the time one of the coaches is evaluating a player, the front office had already narrowed down thousands of players they've been scouting since high school down to a few dozen and gives that short list of prospects to the coaches for them to review.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Relax, both of you because you both know the pick was Legend....wait for it...dary. Be happy everyone was involved even Bevell. Because that means our FO communicates with each other and is way beyond the curve.

This is something as a Seahawk fan I only prayed for but never actually thought possible. Bevell is a good OC but he prefers a different offense then Pete demands. Bevell would unleash Wilson given half a chance.

Because he's actually good he defers to Pete. Deal with it already and move on. We're run first regardless of the fact that Wilson could do what Luck does and better.

He did so in college and the NFL already so what is the question here already?

 

[SalishHawkFan]

I wanted to click the link to the presser, I almost rushed into it, but then I said, nah, I'll pass.

 

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Here is what I have learned from Darrell Bevell defenders in this thread.

01. Darrell Bevell has only made 1 bad play call.

02. After the bad play call it is okay he didn't man up, instead deflecting blame.

03. You are a "Fantasy Football Player" if you question Darrell Bevell's playcalling.

04. If you do not like Darrell Bevell you live in Palo Alto.

05. Bevell is the reason the Seahawks pounded the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.

06. JS thought very little of Russell Wilson, until Bevell showed him the light.

07. Darrell Bevell brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without him we would still be looking for a QB.

08. Bevell HAS BEEN OFFERED HC jobs, he just didn't want to leave the Seahawks.

09. There is no such thing as a bad play call.

10. Pete Carroll never apologized either.

11. Darrell Bevell is an "offensive mastermind".

12. Redzone offense doesn't matter in determining wins & losses. So no discussion required.

13. And finally, I was called "crazy" for thinking JS was the main reason Russell Wilson was drafted by the Seahawks. (It was Bevell all along.)

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, if that list is accurate, him making only ONE bad play call? That's pretty hilarious. He has made various horrible calls since he's been here. How many times has he had to get cute at the end zone? Including in the biggest flippen game of the year???

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Here is what I have learned from Darrell Bevell defenders in this thread.

01. Darrell Bevell has only made 1 bad play call.

02. After the bad play call it is okay he didn't man up, instead deflecting blame.

03. You are a "Fantasy Football Player" if you question Darrell Bevell's playcalling.

04. If you do not like Darrell Bevell you live in Palo Alto.

05. Bevell is the reason the Seahawks pounded the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.

06. JS thought very little of Russell Wilson, until Bevell showed him the light.

07. Darrell Bevell brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without him we would still be looking for a QB.

08. Bevell HAS BEEN OFFERED HC jobs, he just didn't want to leave the Seahawks.

09. There is no such thing as a bad play call.

10. Pete Carroll never apologized either.

11. Darrell Bevell is an "offensive mastermind".

12. Redzone offense doesn't matter in determining wins & losses. So no discussion required.

13. And finally, I was called "crazy" for thinking JS was the main reason Russell Wilson was drafted by the Seahawks. (It was Bevell all along.)

You forgot that Darrell Bevell's play calling was the reason the Hawks put 43 up on the Donkeys in XLVIII (the historically great defense apparently had nothing to do with it).

And most importantly, you forgot that if you're critical of Darrell Bevell you're not a 'real' Seahawks' fan

 

[PackerNation]

JS had been following Russell Wilson since his earliest days at NC State, long before Bevell joined Seattle in 2011.

Not really, no. That is a myth that seems to be gaining steam. First off Wilson left to pursue a baseball career (he was drafted) and he was on nobody's radar as a real possible candidate for a starting NFL QB position. He returned a year later and chose to go to Wisconsin who was in need of a great QB. Schneider visited the campus in October of 2011 where players and coaches started to talk to him about Wilson and how great he was. You can read it here:

By now, there is a mythology that Schneider had been watching Wilson intently since his freshman or sophomore year, watching all his games. In reality, he saw a game or two on television when Wilson was at NC State, and honed his attention more in October 2011, making a campus visit to Wisconsin, when he began to hear nothing but sterling endorsements of the diminutive passer.


Also, Schneider and Carroll were really trying to land Peyton Manning who they knew was in Colorado and they were putting a lot effort into it:

Schneider was one of a handful of executives in regular contact with Manning's agent, Tom Condon, according to sources, including a meeting at the combine in Indianapolis -- at the height of the passive-aggressive media battle being waged between the quarterback and Colts owner Jim Irsay -- while Carroll was one of the coaches texting Manning directly and trying to woo him to Seattle as a free agent. So when the Seahawks discovered that Manning was on his way to Denver for a meeting with the Broncos, Schneider and Carroll jumped on Allen's plane and headed to Colorado.

"We were just thinking, 'How do we get his attention?'" Schneider said of the ill-fated recruiting trip. "And we wanted to take a shot. We felt like there was a little bit of a window, and we went for it."

Without a scheduled meeting, they never did get to talk to Manning, sitting in Denver on the plane for two hours before heading back to Seattle.

"They made it pretty clear they weren't going to meet with us," Schneider said.


With Wilson on Schneider's radar and Bevell watching every Wisconsin Badger game (he is an alum and a hardcore Badger fan), Wilson started to come into view as a real possibility, but they still had that "height" issue to address and they needed more film and to study him before they could even bring it to Carroll. Carroll had to approve the pick.

During the offseason, all staff members especially the HC and his coordinators do a lot of scouting. But as I have stated before, Wilson played at WI and that was Bevell's alma mater so he watched his every game. Schneider went to the Big Ten Championship game and was sold on him.

The rest is history and one of the best runs of drafting by a GM in Seattle history.

you said, "Darrell Bevell brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without [Bevell] we would still be looking for a QB."

and you said:

Bevell had nothing to do with it.

The truth lies somewhere in between with Bevell, Schneider and Carroll ultimately approving of the draft pick and giving him the starting job.

As far as Bevell goes, I am not an apologist, I just recognize that he is a pretty decent OC and you could do a lot worse. He gets a lot of production out of some very suspect talent. You disagree but I don't see you offering any alternatives to what you have now.

This is my last post on the subject as I am sure we'll never change each others views and a lot of good material has been laid out. Hopefully it was interesting to those that read it. It's a great discussion, carry on.

 

[Jville]

^^^ Legends & Lies ...... you could have a series on your hands.

Nicely described.

 

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Here is what I have learned from Darrell Bevell defenders in this thread.

01. Darrell Bevell has only made 1 bad play call.

02. After the bad play call it is okay he didn't man up, instead deflecting blame.

03. You are a "Fantasy Football Player" if you question Darrell Bevell's playcalling.

04. If you do not like Darrell Bevell you live in Palo Alto.

05. Bevell is the reason the Seahawks pounded the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.

06. JS thought very little of Russell Wilson, until Bevell showed him the light.

07. Darrell Bevell brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without him we would still be looking for a QB.

08. Bevell HAS BEEN OFFERED HC jobs, he just didn't want to leave the Seahawks.

09. There is no such thing as a bad play call.

10. Pete Carroll never apologized either.

11. Darrell Bevell is an "offensive mastermind".

12. Redzone offense doesn't matter in determining wins & losses. So no discussion required.

13. And finally, I was called "crazy" for thinking JS was the main reason Russell Wilson was drafted by the Seahawks. (It was Bevell all along.)

You forgot that Darrell Bevell's play calling was the reason the Hawks put 43 up on the Donkeys in XLVIII (the historically great defense apparently had nothing to do with it).

And most importantly, you forgot that if you're critical of Darrell Bevell you're not a 'real' Seahawks' fan

See #5, See #4.

 

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JS had been following Russell Wilson since his earliest days at NC State, long before Bevell joined Seattle in 2011.

Not really, no. That is a myth that seems to be gaining steam. First off Wilson left to pursue a baseball career (he was drafted) and he was on nobody's radar as a real possible candidate for a starting NFL QB position. He returned a year later and chose to go to Wisconsin who was in need of a great QB. Schneider visited the campus in October of 2011 where players and coaches started to talk to him about Wilson and how great he was. You can read it here:

By now, there is a mythology that Schneider had been watching Wilson intently since his freshman or sophomore year, watching all his games. In reality, he saw a game or two on television when Wilson was at NC State, and honed his attention more in October 2011, making a campus visit to Wisconsin, when he began to hear nothing but sterling endorsements of the diminutive passer.


Also, Schneider and Carroll were really trying to land Peyton Manning who they knew was in Colorado and they were putting a lot effort into it:

Schneider was one of a handful of executives in regular contact with Manning's agent, Tom Condon, according to sources, including a meeting at the combine in Indianapolis -- at the height of the passive-aggressive media battle being waged between the quarterback and Colts owner Jim Irsay -- while Carroll was one of the coaches texting Manning directly and trying to woo him to Seattle as a free agent. So when the Seahawks discovered that Manning was on his way to Denver for a meeting with the Broncos, Schneider and Carroll jumped on Allen's plane and headed to Colorado.

"We were just thinking, 'How do we get his attention?'" Schneider said of the ill-fated recruiting trip. "And we wanted to take a shot. We felt like there was a little bit of a window, and we went for it."

Without a scheduled meeting, they never did get to talk to Manning, sitting in Denver on the plane for two hours before heading back to Seattle.

"They made it pretty clear they weren't going to meet with us," Schneider said.


With Wilson on Schneider's radar and Bevell watching every Wisconsin Badger game (he is an alum and a hardcore Badger fan), Wilson started to come into view as a real possibility, but they still had that "height" issue to address and they needed more film and to study him before they could even bring it to Carroll. Carroll had to approve the pick.

During the offseason, all staff members especially the HC and his coordinators do a lot of scouting. But as I have stated before, Wilson played at WI and that was Bevell's alma mater so he watched his every game. Schneider went to the Big Ten Championship game and was sold on him.

The rest is history and one of the best runs of drafting by a GM in Seattle history.

you said, "Darrell Bevell brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without [Bevell] we would still be looking for a QB."

and you said:

Bevell had nothing to do with it.

The truth lies somewhere in between with Bevell, Schneider and Carroll ultimately approving of the draft pick and giving him the starting job.

As far as Bevell goes, I am not an apologist, I just recognize that he is a pretty decent OC and you could do a lot worse. He gets a lot of production out of some very suspect talent. You disagree but I don't see you offering any alternatives to what you have now.

This is my last post on the subject as I am sure we'll never change each others views and a lot of good material has been laid out. Hopefully it was interesting to those that read it. It's a great discussion, carry on.

And yet the only evidence you can provide is a single quote taken out of context from an NFL training camp. (With no link.) Versus multiple sourced, and documented accounts it was Schneider, but you're right you have shown me the way those are "Myths & Legends". Bevell is the savior & hero this franchise deserves.

 

[Jville]

Well ....... I'm not following these piggy back arguments very well.

But I did enjoy the press conference.

Video Darrell Bevell OTA Press Conference >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.seahawks.com/video/2015/06/02/darrell-bevell-ota-press-conference[/urltargetblank]

Audio link >>> [urltargetblank]http://prod.video.seahawks.clubs.nfl.com/SEA/videos/dct/video_audio/2015/06-June/150602bevell-32k.mp3[/urltargetblank].

 

[Siouxhawk]

Siouxhawk wrote:

This forum allows for the exchanging of opinions and ideas and so sure, posters on here can be as negative as they want. Perhaps they're challenged in some aspect of their lives and pointing a hostile finger at the offensive coordinator of the greatest team in the world in some way helps them gain balanced and serenity. If that's the case, I would recommend continuing with that therapy as I'm an advocate of proper mental health.

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Sports Hernia's response:


Playing amateur psycholgoist isn't a strength of yours and isn't going to score you many points here.
You need to deal with the fact that some people have a different opinion then yours on some things, it doesn't make them "in need of therapy" just because they don't agree with you.

IMHO you need to not take it personal when someone disagrees with you POV. The world would be a very boring place if everyone had the same opinion as you or me.

Relax, we are all Hawks fans here.

 

[chris98251]

If your a supporter of settling for 3 versus 7 then I want to play your team, I think there is a time and place for taking points, inside the 10 you should be scoring a lot more then 30 percent of the time with touchdowns, outside the 20 yes take the field goal, in the 4th quarter take the field goal to add pressure if your ahead.

We have a habit of driving to the 15 or 10 and then go into stupid mode with penalties and then long down and distance, we also have a habit of getting to the 5 and getting cute a lot of the time and then being forced to take a field goal.

 

[WilsonMVP]

Thank You for proving my point.

Despite having Russell Wilson & Marshawn Lynch.

The 2014 Seattle Seahawks led by the impervious Darrell Bevell ranked 29th in the redzone & 31st in goal to goal situations.

That was for Wilsons career..if you want to just go by last year (regular season)
28/57 49% 212 yards, 13TD/1INT 90.8 rating, 87 rushing yards and 5rushing TDs

 

[LymonHawk]

If your a supporter of settling for 3 versus 7 then I want to play your team, I think there is a time and place for taking points, inside the 10 you should be scoring a lot more then 30 percent of the time with touchdowns, outside the 20 yes take the field goal, in the 4th quarter take the field goal to add pressure if your ahead.

We have a habit of driving to the 15 or 10 and then go into stupid mode with penalties and then long down and distance, we also have a habit of getting to the 5 and getting cute a lot of the time and then being forced to take a field goal.

Penalties are Bevell's fault?

 

[WilsonMVP]

If your a supporter of settling for 3 versus 7 then I want to play your team, I think there is a time and place for taking points, inside the 10 you should be scoring a lot more then 30 percent of the time with touchdowns, outside the 20 yes take the field goal, in the 4th quarter take the field goal to add pressure if your ahead.

We have a habit of driving to the 15 or 10 and then go into stupid mode with penalties and then long down and distance, we also have a habit of getting to the 5 and getting cute a lot of the time and then being forced to take a field goal.

Penalties are Bevell's fault?

I think Penalties are half the reason our offense is so inconsistent. We always seem to have huge drive killing penalties in every game.

We had 34 false stats and the league average is 19
We had 20 holding calls which is the league average

Okung, Carpenter and Britt were all in the top 6 for the team in penalties

On the defensive side of the ball offsides and neutral zone infractions killed us. Bennet had 14 penalties, 5 higher than anyone else

 

[Gametime]

JS had been following Russell Wilson since his earliest days at NC State, long before Bevell joined Seattle in 2011.

Not really, no. That is a myth that seems to be gaining steam. First off Wilson left to pursue a baseball career (he was drafted) and he was on nobody's radar as a real possible candidate for a starting NFL QB position. He returned a year later and chose to go to Wisconsin who was in need of a great QB. Schneider visited the campus in October of 2011 where players and coaches started to talk to him about Wilson and how great he was. You can read it here:

By now, there is a mythology that Schneider had been watching Wilson intently since his freshman or sophomore year, watching all his games. In reality, he saw a game or two on television when Wilson was at NC State, and honed his attention more in October 2011, making a campus visit to Wisconsin, when he began to hear nothing but sterling endorsements of the diminutive passer.


Also, Schneider and Carroll were really trying to land Peyton Manning who they knew was in Colorado and they were putting a lot effort into it:

Schneider was one of a handful of executives in regular contact with Manning's agent, Tom Condon, according to sources, including a meeting at the combine in Indianapolis -- at the height of the passive-aggressive media battle being waged between the quarterback and Colts owner Jim Irsay -- while Carroll was one of the coaches texting Manning directly and trying to woo him to Seattle as a free agent. So when the Seahawks discovered that Manning was on his way to Denver for a meeting with the Broncos, Schneider and Carroll jumped on Allen's plane and headed to Colorado.

"We were just thinking, 'How do we get his attention?'" Schneider said of the ill-fated recruiting trip. "And we wanted to take a shot. We felt like there was a little bit of a window, and we went for it."

Without a scheduled meeting, they never did get to talk to Manning, sitting in Denver on the plane for two hours before heading back to Seattle.

"They made it pretty clear they weren't going to meet with us," Schneider said.


With Wilson on Schneider's radar and Bevell watching every Wisconsin Badger game (he is an alum and a hardcore Badger fan), Wilson started to come into view as a real possibility, but they still had that "height" issue to address and they needed more film and to study him before they could even bring it to Carroll. Carroll had to approve the pick.

During the offseason, all staff members especially the HC and his coordinators do a lot of scouting. But as I have stated before, Wilson played at WI and that was Bevell's alma mater so he watched his every game. Schneider went to the Big Ten Championship game and was sold on him.

The rest is history and one of the best runs of drafting by a GM in Seattle history.

you said, "Darrell Bevell brought Wilson to the Seahawks. Without [Bevell] we would still be looking for a QB."

and you said:

Bevell had nothing to do with it.

The truth lies somewhere in between with Bevell, Schneider and Carroll ultimately approving of the draft pick and giving him the starting job.

As far as Bevell goes, I am not an apologist, I just recognize that he is a pretty decent OC and you could do a lot worse. He gets a lot of production out of some very suspect talent. You disagree but I don't see you offering any alternatives to what you have now.

This is my last post on the subject as I am sure we'll never change each others views and a lot of good material has been laid out. Hopefully it was interesting to those that read it. It's a great discussion, carry on.

And yet the only evidence you can provide is a single quote taken out of context from an NFL training camp. (With no link.) Versus multiple sourced, and documented accounts it was Schneider, but you're right you have shown me the way those are "Myths & Legends". Bevell is the savior & hero this franchise deserves.

Actually Scott Fitterer (director of college scouting) had a lot to do with it as well. There are other people in the organization that help inform and advise the "visible" front office personnel. He was up for the Eagle GM position.

 

[kearly]

By now, there is a mythology that Schneider had been watching Wilson intently since his freshman or sophomore year, watching all his games. In reality, he saw a game or two on television when Wilson was at NC State, and honed his attention more in October 2011, making a campus visit to Wisconsin, when he began to hear nothing but sterling endorsements of the diminutive passer.

And how many NC State games did Bevell watch from 2009-2011? Probably zero.

Of course, Scheider's interest in Wilson increased when Wilson was in his final year of school and having an amazing season. But it's not like Wilson was some nobody before 2011, he was one of the bigger stars in the ACC before transferring and I'm sure every GM in the NFL at least knew who he was or had caught a game or two. Wilson was such a big time player that he turned down an offer to start for the reigning national champions to be QB at Wisconsin.

The Seahawks, like every NFL front office, have a group of regional scouts that cover areas of the country. It's not possible for a GM to watch every game of every player, so he relies on these handpicked regional scouts to be his eyes and ears. Not just college divisions, but High School, and of course the NFL. In some cases scouts will even begin scouting players before High School. They also have their own private investigators, often ex-CIA or ex-FBI.. they have a whole network for obtaining difficult to find information.

The year before, Seattle had drafted a guy named Josh Portis who played for a school 99.9% of football fans had never heard of, California (as in California, Pennsylvania). Division III. You know how tiny division III is? I'm just some random internet poster, and I played in Division II.

Schneider is known for bringing in guys from the CFL like Browner and Matthews. He just drafted a player from Albania. He kicked the tires on a TE who was living in South America. He brings in more players from schools or places you've never heard of than just about any GM. Compared to those, Russell Wilson is on a whole 'nother level. He was one of the ACC's best players when he was at NC State. You better believe that JS had a book on the guy. His scouting department probably kept JS up to tabs on what Russell Wilson ate for breakfast every morning.

 

[chris98251]

If your a supporter of settling for 3 versus 7 then I want to play your team, I think there is a time and place for taking points, inside the 10 you should be scoring a lot more then 30 percent of the time with touchdowns, outside the 20 yes take the field goal, in the 4th quarter take the field goal to add pressure if your ahead.

We have a habit of driving to the 15 or 10 and then go into stupid mode with penalties and then long down and distance, we also have a habit of getting to the 5 and getting cute a lot of the time and then being forced to take a field goal.

Penalties are Bevell's fault?

Partly, partly Cables, and a large part on the players but it's coaching that gets those false starts and holds down. Holmgren had the least penalized team in the league, he had no tolerance for them.

A wide receiver should never be off sides or have a false start yet we seen them plenty, Okung can hear the snap count and still jumps, again should not happen.