Darrell Bevell OTA Press Conference 6/2/15

[LymonHawk]

Didn't you know it's never Bevell's fault. You didn't watch the Superbowl? LOL

Please show me where I said 'It's never Bevell's fault."?[/quote]

Don't be obtuse Lymon. Whenever someone questions or critiques Darrell Bevell in this thread you deflect blame on to another entity.[/quote]

So instead of answering my question, you accuse me of deflection? LOL! Not even a good a try, but the irony is laughable.

 

[Fade]

I think your response was far more telling, and concise about me re-watching the game Lymon. Care to share it with the group?

 

[Fade]

Didn't you know it's never Bevell's fault. You didn't watch the Superbowl? LOL

Please show me where I said 'It's never Bevell's fault."?

Don't be obtuse Lymon. Whenever someone questions or critiques Darrell Bevell in this thread you deflect blame on to another entity.[/quote]

So instead of answering my question, you accuse me of deflection? LOL! Not even a good a try, but the irony is laughable.[/quote]

OK then show me a post in this thread where you have found fault in Bevell.
Preferable from a post that wasn't edited after 6:13 am. :roll: the time of this op for me.

 

[LymonHawk]

I think your response was far more telling, and concise about me re-watching the game Lymon. Care to share it with the group?

I believe you rewatching the game to prove nothing at all is laughable.

 

[Fade]

I think your response was far more telling, and concise about me re-watching the game Lymon. Care to share it with the group?

I believe you rewatching the game to prove nothing at all is laughable.

LymonHawk wrote - You re-watched the Giants game? LOL! I could respond to your silly post, but I'm laughing too hard.

This quote proves my statement correct.

If you re-watch a game to point out specifics you should be laughed at.

 

[LymonHawk]

Didn't you know it's never Bevell's fault. You didn't watch the Superbowl? LOL

Please show me where I said 'It's never Bevell's fault."?

Don't be obtuse Lymon. Whenever someone questions or critiques Darrell Bevell in this thread you deflect blame on to another entity.

So instead of answering my question, you accuse me of deflection? LOL! Not even a good a try, but the irony is laughable.[/quote]

OK then show me a post in this thread where you have found fault in Bevell.
Preferable from a post that wasn't edited after 6:13 am. :roll: the time of this op for me.[/quote]

First you show me the post were I said he's never at fault. And while you're at it, show me the post where you found Bevell was not at fault. See, it's a two way street.

Unlike you, I do not seek to belittle my team or it's coaches. I'm not the one implying PC is an idiot for not firing Bevell. You do realize when you complain about Bevell's being what you consider lacking, you are also blaming the man who keeps him on this team.

In case you haven't noticed, this team lives by the mantra, 'Always compete!' PC has shown time and again, if you don't do your job properly you are gone. You and others have claimed Bevell is not fit to be OC...if so, why have you noticed this and not PC? Are you & Chris more knowledgeable about football than PC?

I haven't seen one 'fact' in this thread that leads me to believe Bevell is incompetent. Is Bevell perfect? I doubt it. But that doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. People in glass houses and all that stuff...

 

[LymonHawk]

I think your response was far more telling, and concise about me re-watching the game Lymon. Care to share it with the group?

I believe you rewatching the game to prove nothing at all is laughable.

LymonHawk wrote - You re-watched the Giants game? LOL! I could respond to your silly post, but I'm laughing too hard.

This quote proves my statement correct.

If you re-watch a game to point out specifics you should be laughed at.

You are correct. It's Bevell's fault a player jumped because the play had too many motions in it? That also is laughable. First we hear complaints about Bevell's playing calling being too vanilla, now he's blamed for being too complicated. Poor guy can't win for trying.

 

[Fade]

LymonHawk wrote - First you show me the thread were I said he's never at fault
Unlike you, I do not seek to belittle my team or it's coaches. I'm not the one implying PC is an idiot for not firing Bevell. You do realize when you complain about Bevell's being what you consider lacking, you are also blaming the man who keeps him on this team.

In case you haven't noticed, this team lives by the mantra, 'Always compete!' PC has shown time and again, if you don't do your job properly you are gone. You and others have claimed Bevell is not fit to be OC...if so, why have you noticed this and not PC? Are you & Chris more knowledgeable about football than PC?

I haven't seen one 'fact' in this thread that leads me to believe Bevell is incompetent. Is Bevell perfect? I doubt it. But that doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. People in glass houses and all that stuff...[/quote]

Fade Wrote -
Since you have 0 posts in the thread where you have found any fault in Bevell or even holding him acountable in anyway whatsoever its as if..... if.. wait for it.... ...It's never Bevell's Fault. Yet at the same time you have blamed Penalties, the OLine, WRs, fellow fans, etc. So you obviously don't mind dolling out the blame, just not Bevell. ie It's Never Bevell's Fault.

Let me repost my thoughts BELOW on Darrell Bevell for you it might have gotten lost in the kerfuffle.

FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW
I think Bevell is a solid to at times good OC. I can live with his flaws, except his fatal one --> REDZONE <--.

I'm not asking for the #1 RZ Offense in the NFL. With RW & BeastMode last year I would have taken 17-22 ish. (more towards the middle of the pack.)
25th is unacceptable.

 

[rideaducati]

Not a fan of Bevell at all. The Super Bowl wasn't the first time Bevell called a pass play that turned into an interception late in a playoff game. Favre and the Vikings were in field goal range and had Adrian Peterson in the backfield vs. the Saints when they were tied late in the fourth quarter and Bevell called a pass play that was intercepted. He should have learned from that play, but he obviously didn't. He may be a really good OC, but maybe he shouldn't be allowed to call plays.

 

[LymonHawk]

LymonHawk wrote - First you show me the thread were I said he's never at fault
Unlike you, I do not seek to belittle my team or it's coaches. I'm not the one implying PC is an idiot for not firing Bevell. You do realize when you complain about Bevell's being what you consider lacking, you are also blaming the man who keeps him on this team.

In case you haven't noticed, this team lives by the mantra, 'Always compete!' PC has shown time and again, if you don't do your job properly you are gone. You and others have claimed Bevell is not fit to be OC...if so, why have you noticed this and not PC? Are you & Chris more knowledgeable about football than PC?

I haven't seen one 'fact' in this thread that leads me to believe Bevell is incompetent. Is Bevell perfect? I doubt it. But that doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. People in glass houses and all that stuff...

Fade Wrote -
Since you have 0 posts in the thread where you have found any fault in Bevell or even holding him acountable in anyway whatsoever its as if..... if.. wait for it.... ...It's never Bevell's Fault. Yet at the same time you have blamed Penalties, the OLine, WRs, fellow fans, etc. So you obviously don't mind dolling out the blame, just not Bevell. ie It's Never Bevell's Fault.

Let me repost my thoughts BELOW on Darrell Bevell for you it might have gotten lost in the kerfuffle.

FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW
I think Bevell is a solid to at times good OC. I can live with his flaws, except his fatal one --> REDZONE <--.

I'm not asking for the #1 RZ Offense in the NFL. With RW & BeastMode last year I would have taken 17-22 ish. (more towards the middle of the pack.)
25th is unacceptable.[/quote]

What did you not understand when I said, "Is Bevell perfect? I doubt it." :roll:

 

[Fade]

I think your response was far more telling, and concise about me re-watching the game Lymon. Care to share it with the group?

I believe you rewatching the game to prove nothing at all is laughable.

LymonHawk wrote - You re-watched the Giants game? LOL! I could respond to your silly post, but I'm laughing too hard.

This quote proves my statement correct.

If you re-watch a game to point out specifics you should be laughed at.

You are correct. It's Bevell's fault a player jumped because the play had too many motions in it? That also is laughable. First we hear complaints about Bevell's playing calling being too vanilla, now he's blamed for being too complicated. Poor guy can't win for trying.

Why are you responding to my silly post regarding game specifics? I thought it was laughable.

However I will humor you.

A few points I was trying to make about that particular play call.

1. There was no need to get cute in that situation you're on the 1/2 yard line. Why do all that motioning when you know you have an offensive unit that is one of the league leaders in pre-snap penalties? Or are you claiming Bevell was ignorant to this fact?

2. You had a play that was working the whole game. Why go away from it? Bevell & the Hawks wisened up quickly and returned to that play for essentially the rest of the game. (inside zone/read)

3. It is a small sample you can glean that shows a pattern, that builds as you watch more of the games from last season and culminates in the Superbowl. These redzone issues are backed up by stats (ranked 25 out of 32), and the fact Seattle traded for Jimmy Graham. The Pete Carroll interview I posted earlier has Carroll raving about Jimmy Graham's redzone ability.

 

[Fade]

LymonHawk wrote - First you show me the thread were I said he's never at fault
Unlike you, I do not seek to belittle my team or it's coaches. I'm not the one implying PC is an idiot for not firing Bevell. You do realize when you complain about Bevell's being what you consider lacking, you are also blaming the man who keeps him on this team.

In case you haven't noticed, this team lives by the mantra, 'Always compete!' PC has shown time and again, if you don't do your job properly you are gone. You and others have claimed Bevell is not fit to be OC...if so, why have you noticed this and not PC? Are you & Chris more knowledgeable about football than PC?

I haven't seen one 'fact' in this thread that leads me to believe Bevell is incompetent. Is Bevell perfect? I doubt it. But that doesn't mean he's not fit for the job. People in glass houses and all that stuff...

Fade Wrote -
Since you have 0 posts in the thread where you have found any fault in Bevell or even holding him acountable in anyway whatsoever its as if..... if.. wait for it.... ...It's never Bevell's Fault. Yet at the same time you have blamed Penalties, the OLine, WRs, fellow fans, etc. So you obviously don't mind dolling out the blame, just not Bevell. ie It's Never Bevell's Fault.

Let me repost my thoughts BELOW on Darrell Bevell for you it might have gotten lost in the kerfuffle.

FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW
I think Bevell is a solid to at times good OC. I can live with his flaws, except his fatal one --> REDZONE <--.

I'm not asking for the #1 RZ Offense in the NFL. With RW & BeastMode last year I would have taken 17-22 ish. (more towards the middle of the pack.)
25th is unacceptable.

LymonHawk wrote - What did you not understand when I said, "Is Bevell perfect? I doubt it." :roll:[/quote]

I was referring to the Bevell is incompetent line Lym. I just wanted to make sure you knew I did not post that he was incompetent, and thought he was solid to good.

 

[LymonHawk]

Bevell is a boob. I'm Hoping Jimmy Graham is enough to make up for his boobery.

It amazes how the Seahawks coaching staff gets raided every off-season, yet Bevell is still here.

Why do you think that is? Boob.

Are you the one who wrote this post?...or did the boogey man comes and post it? LOL!!!

 

[Fade]

Bevell is a boob. I'm Hoping Jimmy Graham is enough to make up for his boobery.

It amazes how the Seahawks coaching staff gets raided every off-season, yet Bevell is still here.

Why do you think that is? Boob.

Are you the one who wrote this post?...or did the boogey man comes and post it? LOL!!!

I should have been more specific on this post. The Boob part is referring to the red zone offensive woes, thus why I threw in Jimmy Graham hoping he could fix it, thus make up for his "Boobery" . I was trying to have some fun. but in hindsight the joke falls really flat.

 

[LymonHawk]

Bevell is a boob. I'm Hoping Jimmy Graham is enough to make up for his boobery.

It amazes how the Seahawks coaching staff gets raided every off-season, yet Bevell is still here.

Why do you think that is? Boob.

Are you the one who wrote this post?...or did the boogey man comes and post it? LOL!!!

I should have been more specific on this post. The Boob part is referring to the red zone offensive woes, thus why I threw in Jimmy Graham hoping he could fix it, thus make up for his "Boobery" . I was trying to have some fun. but in hindsight the joke falls really flat.

And so does your .net credibility. Check out your second comment about him not being offered another job...

 

[Fade]

Bevell is a boob. I'm Hoping Jimmy Graham is enough to make up for his boobery.

It amazes how the Seahawks coaching staff gets raided every off-season, yet Bevell is still here.

Why do you think that is? Boob.

Are you the one who wrote this post?...or did the boogey man comes and post it? LOL!!!

I should have been more specific on this post. The Boob part is referring to the red zone offensive woes, thus why I threw in Jimmy Graham hoping he could fix it, thus make up for his "Boobery" . I was trying to have some fun. but in hindsight the joke falls really flat.

And so does your .net credibility. Check out your second comment about him not being offered another job...

Its factual, being a solid to good OC isn't good enough to get a Head Coaching job.

You have to be very good to great. -->He would be an HC by now if he was.

 

[Fade]

Lymon what did you think about my 3 comments/points on that specific play? In the giants game i responded to you a few posts back.

 

[LymonHawk]

It's also factual that being a 'boob' in the red zone does not make you a solid to good OC...just the opposite. You can't have it both ways Fade. Either you called the guy a boob or you didn't. When you called the other poster a boob, did you also mean he was solid to good...except in the end zone?

BTW: There have been plenty of good OCs who were not good head coaches. One does not necessary morph into the other. Norv Turner for example.

 

[LymonHawk]

Lymon what did you think about my 3 comments/points on that specific play? In the giants game i responded to you a few posts back.

Oh, well.

How does a small sampling show a pattern? Now, a large sample...

PC raving about Jimmy's redzone ability only shows it's more about the quality of the players, not the OC. But thanks for making my point. 'preciate it.

Enough. I have other things to do in my life.

 

[Fade]

It's also factual that being a 'boob' in the red zone does not make you a solid to good OC...just the opposite. You can't have it both ways Fade. Either you called the guy a boob or you didn't. When you called the other poster a boob, did you also mean he was solid to good...except in the end zone?

BTW: There have been plenty of good OCs who were not good head coaches. One does not necessary morph into the other. Norv Turner for example.

He has a Fatal Flaw --> Redzone. What coaches aren't aloud to have strengths and weaknesses? They aren't just good at everything or bad at everything. No they have Strengths, and they have Weaknesses. Of course the key is to minimize your weaknesses 8)

The Very Good to Great Coordinaters are the ones that become the new HCs in the NFL. of course there are exceptions,

Pete Carroll was a great DC with the Niners,
Mike Holmgren was a great OC with the Niners.
Dan Quinn was a great DC with Hawks.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.... :roll: In the end some are good and some are bad as HCs, but they get their shot built off their reps as great coordinators.