Danny O'Neil is an idiot

[ivotuk]

At about the 4:45 mark, he asks "did Tate have control of the ball with his one hand before MD Jennings got his two hand around it." O'Neil swears that the ref got it wrong and basically says anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid. This guy has no clue.

http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_player_sports/?a=9958496&p=1025&n=Brock and Danny Blue 42

 

[bellingerga]

"someone said something I don't agree with. Obviously an idiot."

 

[FlyingGreg]

I'm so beyond over this debate it's not even funny. It's been beaten to death, brought back to life, killed, buried, brought back to life...on and on.

Just let it go...there will always be two sides.

The record book says "touchdown Seahawks", so there it is! Lol.

 

[Hawks46]

Yup. The record book says touchdown Seahawks.

Just like the record book said TD Steelers on Roethlisberger's attempted 1 yard dive. We've had to get over it, and it was a SB. The rest of the world can get over it as well, right or wrong.

 

[EastCoastHawksFan]

real refs or replacement refs I think its the same result. But this topic has to be thrown away. I'm Looking ahead towards greatness.

 

[Anonymous]

I might be able to get over one or two bad calls of that magnitude, but not five or more a year, for the last 20 years...

 

[Basis4day]

At about the 4:45 mark, he asks "did Tate have control of the ball with his one hand before MD Jennings got his two hand around it." O'Neil swears that the ref got it wrong and basically says anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid. This guy has no clue.

http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_player_sports/?a=9958496&p=1025&n=Brock and Danny Blue 42

At no point does he state or imply that people who think it's a catch are stupid, he only says that they are wrong. He merely states that unless you believe that Golden Tate controlled the ball with one hand before MD Jennings got his two then it can't be called a catch.

Though it is amusing to me that you're calling Danny O'Neal an idiot because you disagree with your inference that he thinks those who call it a catch are idiots.

 

[ivotuk]

"someone said something I don't agree with. Obviously an idiot."

Brilliant response! Did you listen to it? Danny is the one saying that anyone who thinks that was a touchdown is not thinking clearly. So he is saying that he knows what the outcome of that game should have been and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. I think that is ignorant thinking. He should have an open mind about it.

I think it was a TD but I don't know for sure because I'm no expert, just a fan. But hey, judge away.

edit: O'Neil is the one who brought this up on his radio show yesterday, I am responding to it. But if you guys think my responding to what they said is inappropriate, then why are you responding to what I said?

 

[SDHawk]

God I miss Mike Salk.

The show has gone to chit since Danny became co-host. I hate how he talks over ppl and he all to frequently goes off on a tangent.

 

[Floridahawk79]

After watching some of Tate's catches the rest of the year, I don't doubt he caught it. He's one of those guys that has the "it" factor IMO.

 

[kearly]

Receivers make 1 handed catches all the time. Unless you can prove that Tate didn't have control (for which I see no evidence), he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

[thebanjodude]

Yeah, Brock and Salk had good chemistry. O'Neil laughing his head off at the stupidest things bugs the hell out of me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt, holy crap. It's been so damn long since this happened. Time to move on.

 

[12thMan1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoFSXFUTH4o

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

The problem with this whole argument is that most of it seems to be based on incorrect understanding of the rules of the game. Possession in a catch must be established on the ground, and not in the air. It wouldn't matter if Jennings had both hands wrapped around the ball with it shoved clear down his pants as soon as he left the ground. Possession doesn't happen until they hit the ground, and when they landed, they both had their hands on it. Tie goes to the receiver. To say nothing of the fact Jennings didn't get both feet down to establish possession until well after Tate was on the ground, so it wasn't even a tie.

But yea, it's ancient history. Just don't lump it in with other calls like Roethlisburger's "touchdown" or Testeverde's helmet because you don't understand the rules.

 

[mikeak]

At no point does he state or imply that people who think it's a catch are stupid, he only says that they are wrong. He merely states that unless you believe that Golden Tate controlled the ball with one hand before MD Jennings got his two then it can't be called a catch.
.

I really shouldn't do that but isn't that actually the incorrect method to determine simoultaneous catch? He doesn't need to have control BEFORE Jennings. He needs to get his hand on the ball and then jennings gets his hands on the ball and then they come down to the ground with control of the ball.....

 

[AVL]

The problem with this whole argument is that most of it seems to be based on incorrect understanding of the rules of the game. Possession in a catch must be established on the ground, and not in the air. It wouldn't matter if Jennings had both hands wrapped around the ball with it shoved clear down his pants as soon as he left the ground. Possession doesn't happen until they hit the ground, and when they landed, they both had their hands on it. Tie goes to the receiver. To say nothing of the fact Jennings didn't get both feet down to establish possession until well after Tate was on the ground, so it wasn't even a tie.

But yea, it's ancient history. Just don't lump it in with other calls like Roethlisburger's "touchdown" or Testeverde's helmet because you don't understand the rules.

Ya, it's not like breaking the plane when rushing. The media and most others wanted the replacement/ scab refs gone, creating the noise.

 

[hawker232]

When we get cheated out of a Super Bowl victory, the world calls us babies and to suck it up. One of the nations favorite teams, the Packers, gets "duped" out of a week 3 regular season game, we're the bad guys, they're the victims. Smh.

 

[Seafan]

It looked like a simultaneous catch to a single ref and there was not enough video evidence to overturn it. Really simple. The fact that Tate touched the ground first which the ref likely didn't see and no one in the national media talked about tells me all I need to know. Tate "earned" the catch. It wasn't a mere reffing error that "gave" the Hawks the victory. O'Neil's argument is that Tate didn't have possession but that's simply his opinion. It makes a radio show like that work and gets listeners fired up to call in. I miss Salk but Danny has been a decent replacement. Brock and Danny is still the best show on Seattle radio. Salk definitely had a great personality but Danny brings a lot of NW sports knowledge to the table.

 

[Chrome_Seahawk]

He merely states that unless you believe that Golden Tate controlled the ball with one hand before MD Jennings got his two then it can't be called a catch.

I still maintain, after watching the replay a million times, that it is possible that Jennings misses the catch altogether if Tate hadn't reached up and caught the ball with his left hand.....Jennings fingers close around the ball FROM THE TOP a split second AFTER Tate catches it with his left hand....unless Jennings ended up trapping it with his body. I don't see how he would have been able to make the catch...to me it was only because Tate caught and stopped it that Jennings was able to close his fingers around it.....and Jennings was not in a position to trap it with his body.