Daniel Jones released

[toffee]

Will you trade Geno to the Giants if they offer their 2025 second round pick?

 

[Sonichound16]

I think we definitely need to look into it and see what it would take to sign him. It looks like his contract bumps up to $38.5 million next year. The guy has talent, maybe a change of scenery will help, similar to what happened with Geno. It just depends on how much $$ it would take in my opinion.

 

[Sonichound16]

Will you trade Geno to the Giants if they offer their 2025 second round pick?

For sure but I don't think they would do that.

 

[toffee]

For sure but I don't think they would do that.

Geno is good for another couple three season, just in time to cover the development period for their QB of the future. A second rounder for 2 years of a veteran pro bowl QB? That's cheap.

12s on dot net will party all night for this trade, finally removing the road block to Howell leading the 12s to promised land!

 

[strohmin]

It still pisses me of we lost to that scrub

 

[AnimeAmore]

Jones' contract is guaranteed for 2024. He was going to be released before his 2025 guarantees kicked in on day 5 of the 2025 NFL year. Releasing him before the start of the 2025 NFL year means $11.1M of dead money due to be accounted for in 2026 will accelerate into 2025. For that reason alone I would not have released him before March. Maybe the Giants have an abundance of cap space, or maybe they don't care. I wouldn't have required him to attend team training and meetings between times. No team will claim Jones because doing so would mean picking up his $2M+ per game guarantees for this season. Once he clears wagers he will be free to play for minimum wage - but he'd be stupid to do so. (There will be offset guarantees in his current contract to stop him earning more). The risk from playing outweighs reward. Due to other impending QB retirements and a weak 2025 Draft for QBs he'll be seen as a cheap, ($10M+), starting QB option in free agency.

Spreading out the cap hit isn't that much different than payday loans. GMs like to think they are smart for spreading out cap hits, but unless you have a SB-caliber roster that you're trying to keep together 1 or 2 final years (before blowing it up and rebuilding) you are better off just taking the full cap hit up front.
What is NY going to do with the extra cap space they'd free up by spreading out the hit? Do they have a franchise QB that they need to pay? Do they have an elite unit whose contracts are expiring?
They aren't competing for anything this year or next year, so just rip the bandaid off and get the rebuild started in earnest.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

I wouldn't take a flier on him right now, but I don't think I can say any QB is done when their first team gives them the boot either. I'm a fan of a team with Geno Smith throwing the ball after all.

 

[Vesuve]

Talk about a guy who is laughing all the way to the bank. If someone is willing to pay stupid money for an average at best QB? More power to the player for getting that bag.

And just a year and a half ago, he signed the 4 year $160 million dollar deal.

Mara and the GM.....hmm...?

From Wiki:

Jones concluded his six-year tenure in New York with a 24–44–1 record as a starter, the lowest winning percentage among quarterbacks with at least 50 starts since 2019. He also recorded the lowest touchdown percentage (3.1%) among quarterbacks with at least 1,000 pass attempts in that span.[77]

Daniel Jones (American football) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bileever]

I think Jones is better than his record with the Giants suggests. I would take him over a bunch of QBs. I think there will be a strong market for him.

The Browns, Raiders, and Panthers could all use him. I would also take Jones, especially at a lower salary, over Trevor Lawrence, Will Levis, Derek Carr and maybe even Anthony Richardson.

Given the Purdy shoulder situation, and the fact that their backup is Brandon Allen, I think that the 49ers will try to sign Jones next week.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

I think Jones is better than his record with the Giants suggests. I would take him over a bunch of QBs. I think there will be a strong market for him.

The Browns, Raiders, and Panthers could all use him. I would also take Jones, especially at a lower salary, over Trevor Lawrence, Will Levis, Derek Carr and maybe even Anthony Richardson.

Given the Purdy shoulder situation, and the fact that their backup is Brandon Allen, I think that the 49ers will try to sign Jones next week.

I was just thinking some QB starving team will pray he is even just average.

Panthers I think will continue with Young, and Browns maybe willing to roll with Winston considering they beat the Steelers, but;

Dolphins
Raiders
Saints
Cowboys
Titans
Colts

Could all be contenders.

 

[uncle fester]

Could easily see the Raiders picking him up. They’re not happy with either of their current QBs and the coach needs stability.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Watching the NFL behind the scenes of the giants it was clear to me that is a clown organization.

 

[flv2]

Spreading out the cap hit isn't that much different than payday loans. GMs like to think they are smart for spreading out cap hits, but unless you have a SB-caliber roster that you're trying to keep together 1 or 2 final years (before blowing it up and rebuilding) you are better off just taking the full cap hit up front.
What is NY going to do with the extra cap space they'd free up by spreading out the hit? Do they have a franchise QB that they need to pay? Do they have an elite unit whose contracts are expiring?
They aren't competing for anything this year or next year, so just rip the bandaid off and get the rebuild started in earnest.

Teams obviously aren't better off taking the cap hit immediately. Every team pushes cap hits back hits by using signing bonuses and restructure bonuses. This is because the cap hit payday loan is at 0% interest. It only makes sense to repay the cap hit loan early if you believe the salary cap will go down. By releasing Jones now the Giants management is restricting the 2025 options for the next management team by $11.1M. Effectively they gain a 2024 roster spot, but that spot is irrelevant if the team isn't trying to win.

The Giants management could have retained Jones but told him to go home for 3 months, (whilst allowing him to talk to other teams about a potential 2025 contract). Whatever. That team isn't going anywhere.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Well,.. We kinda already have a QB on the roster that didn't make it in the big apple, So. Sorry Danny Boy rosters full, but have fun on your path to employment....

 

[projectorfreak]

Just saw a jones to jets msn garbage , the jets might cuz they are not that good but it seems a coaching staff and gm /ownership are more to a TEAM than possibly the qb
as demonstrated by many teams over the years

 

[CPHawk]

Just saw a jones to jets msn garbage , the jets might cuz they are not that good but it seems a coaching staff and gm /ownership are more to a TEAM than possibly the qb
as demonstrated by many teams over the years

I don’t he stays in my. I think he wants far away from that city.

Places I could see him at
Pitt
Rams
Saints
Browns
Carolina
Dallas
Seattle

Probably in that order

 

[IndyHawk]

I think we definitely need to look into it and see what it would take to sign him. It looks like his contract bumps up to $38.5 million next year. The guy has talent, maybe a change of scenery will help, similar to what happened with Geno. It just depends on how much $$ it would take in my opinion.

He was waived and nobody claimed him so the Giants owe him all of this year's salary remaining.
They avoid paying him next year's salary but have 1 year of a dead cap hit on it.
Jones is free to sign with anyone now and the Giants save whatever amount it is
for this season.
Next season Jones is free to sign for whatever amount he gets as a FA and Giants
save zero but still have a that dead cap hit.

 

[IndyHawk]

I really don't understand the guy, he has all the tools (arm, height and body)
very mobile like Josh Allen but something is missing that coaching has not
fixed..
Is he short in the brain? slow processor? lack of will and fight? I mean these are
things you cannot coach so ehhh if that is the case, I pass..

 

[WmHBonney]

It is expected that he will clear waivers tomorrow.
It is expected that he wants to sign with a contender.
Ravens and Vikes are mentioned.

Sources: Ex-Giant Jones to eye playoff contender

Former Giants quarterback Daniel Jones is expected to clear waivers Monday and have a new home on a one-year deal soon, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[DarkVictory23]

I really don't understand the guy, he has all the tools (arm, height and body)
very mobile like Josh Allen but something is missing that coaching has not
fixed..
Is he short in the brain? slow processor? lack of will and fight? I mean these are
things you cannot coach so ehhh if that is the case, I pass..

It's something about decision making/vision. He's either missing things or afraid to pull the trigger. There was a trick play against Carolina this year that actually ended up working in the design, dude had two wide open receivers... and just stood there to take a sack.

Of the 32 active QBs who have seen the most snaps since Jones came into the league (I.E. the 'starters'), Jones has the third worst success rate and the second worst ANY/A. He has been a very bad starter.

Is this organizational? Can it be fixed? Sure, maybe. The two guys he's ahead of in Success Rate are Sam Darnold and Justin Fields and both of those guys are having near career years right now... (though Fields is doing it as the designated backup. Maybe that's what Jones needs?)