Cowherd says Waldron will ditch Seahawks for head coaching gig

[scutterhawk]

Not only do I think Waldron gets interviews, but I think he goes to the Broncos.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Pete's coaching tree reminds me of Bill Walsh's coaching tree JK

That's a valid comment. His tree hasn't been stellar. Two DCs that failed as HCs but are doing very well again as DCs. No OCs getting HC jobs. I can't remember the last time i herd Bevell's name, which i am ok with. Regardless of the revelations (or confirmation for some) of 3's proclivities, Bevell still failed miserably in the one time he needed to shine and that was way before 3's head and ego got too big. Homeboy had Lynch, backyard Russell, a decent OL and the LOB giving the ball back to him constantly. I feel like i could have 3/4 of his offensive success in those situations. Put him on the spot and it's dogshit, the only thing he had to say was "Pete's the HC, he could've changed the call".*


* and yes I know the "poor success rate" Lynch had at rushing with 1 yard to gain but that rate is largely due to the plays called in those situations that season. I remember one of those failures was shotgun with Lynch and the huge DL/FB we had whose name escapes me on either side of Russ. Ball is snapped, FB goes out to the flat, Lynch gets the ball on a delayed handoff right up the gut. Jim Brown wouldn't get a yard on that play.

 

[BASF]

Yeah, Denver thought that they had struck gold when they got Hackett to work with Wilson & run the big show in Denver.
How'd the Waldron & Russ gig work out last season?...Soured pretty damned quick when Shane tried to meld Wilson's scat about style with a conventional Quarterbacks system.
Look folks, Waldron did OK with Jarred Goff, but Shane being hired away by the Seahawks was a no big deal for the Rams, & winning the Super Bowl proves that point...The right Quarterback makes a big difference.
Now, Geno Smith WORKS VERY WELL with the Waldron system, just like I think he would have done EQUALLY AS WELL with the Schottenheimer system.
Believing that it was Shane Waldron who made Geno Smith a top ten Quarterback, is an insult to Geno's intelligence.
GENO & SHANE was a really good matchup, but Geno OBVIOUSLY has the moxie to run Waldrons system, again, "The right Quarterback makes a big difference."
Yes absolutely, Shane Waldron could theoretically get hired away for a HC job, BUT whoever he takes on @ Quarterback will not necessarily be "The right Quarterback" FOR HIS SYSTEM. (see Jarred Goff)

Considering Geno is a free agent, the team that wants to hire Waldron could sign Geno to keep him in Waldron's system since he is the right quarterback.

 

[Own The West]

Waldron’s a 2nd year OC under one of the most accomplished HC in history. Pete’s won with pretty meh OCs in the past, and now we’re finding out it wasn’t the QB making the difference, but just a solid top to bottom roster.

Even if we finish top 5 in Off. Scoring, would you want to bet your franchise that Waldron can replicate what PC and McVay have built? That seems like a big leap. And I don’t know that he has the gravitas to poach enough quality coaches from the Rams and Seahawks, making it a bigger stretch. We’ll see…

 

[Maelstrom787]

I think he's a fringe candidate as it stands. Should the offense continue trucking along like it is for the full season, I'd say 60/40 in favor of him landing a job. If he avoids meltdown, he'll certainly get interviews. There are a lot of good coordinators up for roles - DeMeco Ryans, Shane Steichen, Ejiro Eviro, Dan Quinn is probably going to get another chance but will decline any roles he doesn't see as advantageous to him, maybe Brian Callahan, Leslie Frazier is doing a hell of a job with that Bills 4-3... could be a crowded room, so not a sure thing Waldron wins out over any of those guys.

Assume a guy like Canales is probably next guy up for OC if Waldron departs. Probably want to promote from within considering how well the offensive staff is meshing together. He's the QB coach and has been around through different offensive staffs, obviously done a decent job with Geno.

 

[Maelstrom787]

If Waldron leaves, I think there's a big chance that he'd poach Dickerson. Dickerson and Waldron have been a combo for a very, very long time and go way back. Dickerson could even be his OC, but I think he'd leave even for a lateral move with Waldron. Food for thought.

 

[94Smith]

Pete's coaching tree reminds me of Bill Walsh's coaching tree JK

No

 

[Hollandhawk]

First step: Geno gets MVP

Second step: Waldron calls Russell and says, you know that thing you wanted more than anything, maybe you should have shut up and run my offense.

He will have to talk to team 3, nobody is allowed to contact Russell directly!

 

[keasley45]

Like Walter White (Breaking Bad) said, everything is negotiable. You don’t think Denver offering him say 90 mil for three years isn’t something he would go for?

Look, he’s the only coordinator who knows how to put personnel and scheme around Russ to give him the best chance to succeed.

He actually failed at trying to get Russ to succeed. The only OC marginally successful at getting to Russ was Schotty. It was with Schotty that he saw his most efficient, most effective season in 2019. Even in 2020 when he was cooking, the offense couldn't consistently move the chains through the air on 3rd down.

Last year Russ was near dead last in 3rd down passing and the O couldn't control the ball before or after his injury, until week 13 when the controls were taken from Russ's hands - and we know how Russ felt about that.

There isn't a coordinator that can fix Russ. He has one style of play. That's it. Bevell, Schotty, Waldron and now Hackett have all learned that the hard way.

What Russ needs is a HC who knows how to handle the circus swirling around #3 and in his head.

 

[keasley45]

The only reason Waldron would go to Denver would be for bags full of cash, because he'd likely be gambling that he may never coach in the league again after his run there.

 

[sutz]

Not all coordinators should be head coaches. We've seen that numerous times. In fact, I think that not all coodinators want to be head coaches. There's a comfort zone in being the #2 guy, assuming the HC treats him well. Is Waldron one of those guys? I don't think we know. I'd love to see him at least finish out his contract here, give it another couple of years. If we keep him and re-sign Geno to a decent deal (I'm thinking in the 3 year, $35-40 mill range) this could be a dominant offense for a while. Tie that to what the Defense is starting to look like and we could have a real powerhouse for the next few seasons.

 

[BASF]

If Waldron leaves, I think there's a big chance that he'd poach Dickerson. Dickerson and Waldron have been a combo for a very, very long time and go way back. Dickerson could even be his OC, but I think he'd leave even for a lateral move with Waldron. Food for thought.

You may be right and damn I hope not. I am starting to feel like a shill for Dickerson, but the man can flat out coach. I loved the vids from the preseason of what he was teaching.

 

[jammerhawk]

I think Cowturd is full of it.

Waldron’s season last year was a failure b/c of RWs unwillingness to play the scheme as coached. You saw only moments when the O was clicking. This season is different and he is showing us his scheme as Geno is executing the planned plays. I’d be wanting to see more evidence of real ability from Waldron before I’d hire him as a HC. I suspect he’s a few seasons away from that happening more seasoning and proof is needed.

 

[nwHawk]

Cowherd hates Pete as much as Fade, heck maybe same dude?

Waldron has been a “fresh” and welcome change compared to the past several years, but let’s be honest, moving Russ has made the biggest impact. That should scare a few teams. Does Shane need a system QB that fits his style or can he “coach” up any top flight QB? It didn’t work with Russ. Shane would be wise to stick around for a couple more years, grow and develop his tool bag and take over for Pete when he retires… (oh course after the next Lombardi !!)

 

[jammerhawk]

Nope, I truly believe Fade is a whole lot smarter than Cowturd, who posts and spews BS for clicks.

He’s Stephen A. Smith lite.

They are both best simply ignored.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

Not all coordinators should be head coaches. We've seen that numerous times. In fact, I think that not all coodinators want to be head coaches. There's a comfort zone in being the #2 guy, assuming the HC treats him well. Is Waldron one of those guys? I don't think we know. I'd love to see him at least finish out his contract here, give it another couple of years. If we keep him and re-sign Geno to a decent deal (I'm thinking in the 3 year, $35-40 mill range) this could be a dominant offense for a while. Tie that to what the Defense is starting to look like and we could have a real powerhouse for the next few seasons.

The way I view it is that Waldren is a NEW OC why would he give up on gaining a possible SB? Why would he give up the chance to learn under Carroll. If he had a SB or two his value would be greater.

 

[keasley45]

I think he's a fringe candidate as it stands. Should the offense continue trucking along like it is for the full season, I'd say 60/40 in favor of him landing a job. If he avoids meltdown, he'll certainly get interviews. There are a lot of good coordinators up for roles - DeMeco Ryans, Shane Steichen, Ejiro Eviro, Dan Quinn is probably going to get another chance but will decline any roles he doesn't see as advantageous to him, maybe Brian Callahan, Leslie Frazier is doing a hell of a job with that Bills 4-3... could be a crowded room, so not a sure thing Waldron wins out over any of those guys.

Assume a guy like Canales is probably next guy up for OC if Waldron departs. Probably want to promote from within considering how well the offensive staff is meshing together. He's the QB coach and has been around through different offensive staffs, obviously done a decent job with Geno.

Nice post. Makes sense.

 

[Torc]

It's hard to know what's going through Waldron's mind, but in my opinion he'd really help himself by getting a couple more years of experience as the OC under his belt. This is his first OC gig, and it's pretty clear what happens with unprepared candidates when they can't *cough* Hackett.

I'm sure it's hard to pass up the HC salary when you have a shot at it, but Pete believes in helping his coordinators prep for advancement. Waldron's situation will only improve IMO.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Pete is a branch of Walsh's tree, but Walsh place some importance in developing his 'tree'.

Pete is more Bud Grant than Walsh. Kind of like how Saleh is considered a Pete understudy and is part of the Pete tree, despite gaining notoriety as a Niner.

 

[Crizilla]

Well he eventually might be a HC but could be a successor to Pete