Congrats to the NFL, you now have your first flopping team!

[Uncle Si]

I think the COLTs are paying big bucks to the NFL.. After a few calls yesterday and against us in our game against them, one can clearly see that the NFL want the colts and especially Luck to succed and be the face of the Organization. It used to be Manning, but Luck has replaced him for this role.

shhhhh.... their are black helicopters circing your house, listening devices in your moms coffee tin and a black suit Fed observing your internet usage...

 

[Seeker]

im really goin through all the colts games this year and I have yet to see a scoring colts drive that didn't involve a drive sustaining "controversial flag". usually on third down.
their recievers ALWAYS stand up with their hands out begging for a flag.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Even without the penalty on the flop, the Colts still have like a 95% chance of winning the game. Broncos would have needed to stop them on the next play, get the ball back, score, onside kick, recover, and score again.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I guarantee you if Wilson flopped, you guys would be praising how smart he is.......but because it's Luck the haters are out in force.

Sure he flopped, but Vickerson's still a monumental idiot.

 

[Cyrus12]

These soccer like dives and then penalty calls are one of the many reasons I stopped watching the NHL...There have been more than the Colts doing it. You can bet teams will do it agaisnt the Hawks d-backs and get the calls based on rep alone...

 

[plyka]

If you thought that penalty wasn't deserved, then you are nuts. He had no right to belly hit Luck from behind after the play. It was intentional that he wanted to hurt/mess with Luck. And would SEA be okay if that were Russell Wilson? That's what I thought...

Yes, you're right the Denver player shouldn't have bumped into him. But i'm talking about the mentality of flopping. This is not just one isolated instance, I'm seeing this more and more, and the Colts have turned it into a tactic.

Just watch that soccer clip of diving to see where you will finally get to if you justify diving/flopping. You just said the defensive player did something wrong so it somehow justifies Luck throwing himself to the turf like he was clocked in the face. This is a 6'4 240lb individual who is as strong as NFL LBs! Justify this disgusting behavior and it won't be long before you see this mentality infect the entirety of the league. Soccer players have their reasons as well. The video where you see a soccer coach and the player both throw themselves to the turf --they have a "justified" reason for that. Both will say that if they didn't do it, it was possible that the ref would throw them out of the game and thus cost their team the match. But this justification is what has turned this great sport into something I'm embarrassed to watch on occasion.

 

[Axx]

What about rg1knee?
He flops all the time also

 

[plyka]

Even without the penalty on the flop, the Colts still have like a 95% chance of winning the game. Broncos would have needed to stop them on the next play, get the ball back, score, onside kick, recover, and score again.

You guys are missing the point. I'm not talking about whether the Denver defender should be flagged for bumping into Luck --perhaps he should. Nor am I saying that Denver would have won if the flag did not happen.

I'm talking about the TACTIC of flopping/diving. You may think it's small now, but these things grow. Once all teams realize that there is a benefit to flopping/diving, you'll see more and more of it. Eventually you'll see players pretending as though they were punched in the face to get the opposing player kicked off, as happens all the time in Soccer. Even the NBA has passed anti-flopping rules, due to how much it has infected the NBA with Ginobli and his type of diving artist (Derick Fisher is another serial diver). It gets to a point that it becomes absolutely an embarrassment to watch.

These soccer like dives and then penalty calls are one of the many reasons I stopped watching the NHL...There have been more than the Colts doing it. You can bet teams will do it agaisnt the Hawks d-backs and get the calls based on rep alone...

You're absolutely right, it's not reserved for the Colts alone, a lot of different players have started the dive. I saw Vick do one on the sidelines (he did not get the flag because it was too obvious). But with the Colts, it's a repeat offense. The WRs flop every chance they get to get PI calls. And now i saw Luck throw himself to the turf dramatically. It's not a big stretch to say that the Colt coaches are now advising their players to flop/dive. "Hey, make sure the refs see it."

 

[Kixkahn]

Hey plyka, do you remember Bill Lambier (I don't remember how to spell it) he was back in the Larry Bird, Magic Johnson era.

 

[12thManHawkFan]

Man some of the justification comments from people advocating the obvious flop from luck last night is pretty damn surprising to me, I mean wtf is this WWF? No it's FOOTBALL, you shouldn't be flopping around like a little b$!@#!!

 

[HawkWow]

Man some of the justification comments from people advocating the obvious flop from luck last night is pretty damn surprising to me, I mean wtf is this WWF? No it's FOOTBALL, you shouldn't be flopping around like a little b$!@#!!

So, if it were Wilson and our Hawks, must win game, opposing player getting thuggish and attempting to intimidate RW, you'd rather us punt from the endzone than take the 15 yds and a 1st down?

Take all the time you need with this question.

Not only was Luck smart, he was brilliant and his Colts won the game.

The Colts, I guess because they beat us (?) are taking a ridiculous amount of abuse in here. I saw more wussy activity from the Denver receivers, constantly positioning themselves for contact, then begging for flags than I witnessed from the Colts last night.

And to the poster that is absolutely convinced Indy is buying the refs; you have got to be out of your mind. Believe me, the league would have loved nothing more than for Manning to win and his team to remain undefeated. The fact that didn't happen tells you there are no such shenanigans in the NFL. If there were, Denver would still be undefeated today. Don't let random poor calls of individual officials ruin the NFL for you. There is no fix.

 

[12thManHawkFan]

Man some of the justification comments from people advocating the obvious flop from luck last night is pretty damn surprising to me, I mean wtf is this WWF? No it's FOOTBALL, you shouldn't be flopping around like a little b$!@#!!

So, if it were Wilson and our Hawks, must win game, opposing player getting thuggish and attempting to intimidate RW, you'd rather us punt from the endzone than take the 15 yds and a 1st down?

Take all the time you need with this question.

Not only was Luck smart, he was brilliant and his Colts won the game.

The Colts, I guess because they beat us (?) are taking a ridiculous amount of abuse in here. I saw more wussy activity from the Denver receivers, constantly positioning themselves for contact, then begging for flags than I witnessed from the Colts last night.

And to the poster that is absolutely convinced Indy is buying the refs; you have got to be out of your mind. Believe me, the league would have loved nothing more than for Manning to win and his team to remain undefeated. The fact that didn't happen tells you there are no such shenanigans in the NFL. If there were, Denver would still be undefeated today. Don't let random poor calls of individual officials ruin the NFL for you. There is no fix.

So basically your saying, if you can cheat and get away with it you're a genius? What ever happened to sportsmanship? if everyone else is cheating we should just start cheating too? Win at all costs, the biggest cheater is crowned in the Super Bowl?

 

[HawkWow]

I saw no "cheating" on that play. I'm not even sure Luck went down to draw the penalty. He may have just went down to avoid further impact. He's on a football field and there's big guys running all around him.

Regardless of the impact, as I said earlier, the ref flagged Vickerson for stupidity. He is a reputed cheap shot artist and the official basically said, " OK, thug, you wanna' play games? 15 yds, 1st down, now run over and explain your actions to your HC". Vickerson was flagged for being an A-hole. Not because he caused bodily harm to Andrew Luck. Again, had that been Wilson, and no flag thrown, this forum would be in an uproar. Am I wrong?

 

[Seahawks Guy]

My favorite flop of all time:

@ 2:30

[youtube]sUlrrmZAsRQ[/youtube]

 

[12thManHawkFan]

I saw no "cheating" on that play. I'm not even sure Luck went down to draw the penalty. He may have just went down to avoid further impact. He's on a football field and there's big guys running all around him.

Regardless of the impact, as I said earlier, the ref flagged Vickerson for stupidity. He is a reputed cheap shot artist and the official basically said, " OK, thug, you wanna' play games? 15 yds, 1st down, now run over and explain your actions to your HC". Vickerson was flagged for being an A-hole. Not because he caused bodily harm to Andrew Luck. Again, had that been Wilson, and no flag thrown, this forum would be in an uproar. Am I wrong?

Purposefully flopping on the ground and adding cheap dramatics to draw a flag in my opinion is cheating, and doesn't make you look like a genius, it makes you look like an actor cheating the system. Regardless if Luck actually did flop or not, I agree with the OP on the subject, I hope this kind of crap doesn't get out of control.

 

[HawkWow]

I saw no "cheating" on that play. I'm not even sure Luck went down to draw the penalty. He may have just went down to avoid further impact. He's on a football field and there's big guys running all around him.

Regardless of the impact, as I said earlier, the ref flagged Vickerson for stupidity. He is a reputed cheap shot artist and the official basically said, " OK, thug, you wanna' play games? 15 yds, 1st down, now run over and explain your actions to your HC". Vickerson was flagged for being an A-hole. Not because he caused bodily harm to Andrew Luck. Again, had that been Wilson, and no flag thrown, this forum would be in an uproar. Am I wrong?

Purposefully flopping on the ground and adding cheap dramatics to draw a flag in my opinion is cheating, and doesn't make you look like a genius, it makes you look like an actor cheating the system. Regardless if Luck actually did flop or not, I agree with the OP on the subject, I hope this kind of crap doesn't get out of control.

It can be avoided by players not taking cheap shots at other players. Whatever it was Luck did, it was legal. What Vickerson did was illegal. So by definition, who was the cheater on that particular play?

Let there be no mistake. I hate the acting and pansy antics more than most. But I also hate stupidity. What Vickerson did was absolute stupidity. He got flagged for it and I have no issue with the ref for throwing the flag.

Let me ask you this: How badly do you want guys of Vickerson's size, walking around and acting stupid? Be glad there's people out there reminding such behemoths that thug life is sometimes met with consequence. If he was willing to act the bully in front of millions of people, including the refs, he would do the same in a bar. Next thing you know, he's got a bottle over his head like what happened to a similar dolt, Trent Williams, here in Honolulu.

 

[HawkinNY]

LOL anyone that says the Vickerson call wasn't justified than I don't know what is wrong with you. He had NO reason at all to bump into Luck at all. The play was long over and done with and he had no forward momentum. Even if it was a flop, why did he chest bump luck from behind anyhow?

Dafilm enjoy watching the Whiners getting there ass dominated again this year and losing the division

I agree. Even if Luck "flopped" that was a completely unnecessary bump by the Colts defender, well after the play was over. It was a nice bump too. Completely stupid play by him.

And I'm not sure what you're referring to. The 49ers have won the division 2/2 years Harbaugh has been with the team. 1 play away from the super bowl one year and literally inches away from a SB win for the other. and as far as I can tell, the 49ers and Hawks have lost to the same team this year. The 49ers have the extra L after visiting Seattle, so we'll see how things fair in SF down the line.

btw, their/there/they're all mean different things. elementary school teaches you how to use them correctly, you might want to revisit that.

HAHA!

 

[twisted_steel2]

The flop was lame, dramatic and came off like a little sissy soccer player.

Not defending Vickerson, and I think Luck is a hell of a QB.

But the flop was pathetic. I really hope the NFL doesn't head down that road with rewarding flopping.

If Russell did the same dramatic comical flop, I'd say the same thing, and be embarrassed my QB did it.

 

[Scottemojo]

Let's leave flopping to the punters.

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

Hey is there a gif or a vid of this flip someone could point to? I can't find one, and all the convo makes me curious...