Coach of the Year

[Rat]

A very good reason, thee reason these awards should not be handed out until AFTER the Super Bowl.

This particular race was close enough that winning the SB should have been the difference maker.

I don't agree with this at all. First of all, it's supposed to be a regular season award, and for good reason, but setting a precedent where the award is simply handed to the coach of the team that wins the Super Bowl is even lazier than what they do now, given that they don't all have the same players and circumstances. Like if you put Mac on this year's Jets team, I'm sure they do better, but they're not winning the Super Bowl.

 

[Rat]

Being that the measurement is for one season, in particular the difference in the regular season W/L records, 4-13 to 14-3 is more impressive than 10-7 to 14-3, while not necessarily agreeing, I can understand voters choosing Vrabel.

That's certainly a point in Vrabel's favor, but I hate that it's become the only thing they factor in. Vrabel was hardly the only reason they improved. Even if they had kept Mayo, having a second-year QB they drafted third overall with an experienced OC alone likely would have seen a considerable win increase, although not likely as big as they had under Vrabel.

 

[pmedic920]

I don't agree with this at all. First of all, it's supposed to be a regular season award, and for good reason, but setting a precedent where the award is simply handed to the coach of the team that wins the Super Bowl is even lazier than what they do now, given that they don't all have the same players and circumstances. Like if you put Mac on this year's Jets team, I'm sure they do better, but they're not winning the Super Bowl.

I don’t give a rat’s ass if you agree or not.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
We’re both equally entitled

 

[Azvacar]

Let's not get big headed here. Vrabel deserved it. That team won 4 games last year and went to the Super Bowl the next. He deserves it.

With the easiest schedule in the Super Bowl Era

 

[SmokinHawk]

But.. But... But... They went 14 and 3 a year after going 3 and 14 in their super soft, cupcake conference.

 

[Sperrydogg]

100%. Macdaddy coached circles around "Verbel" in the SB. Vrabel only won it because they had 4 wins last year without him. Mike was punished for winning last year and of course for being in the PNW

He was also punished for taking over Pete’s decent roster

 

[Rat]

I don’t give a rat’s ass if you agree or not.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
We’re both equally entitled

Omg....

Ok, let's not debate anything then. I'll make a mental note that you don't enjoy discussions, and I can know not to waste my time again.

All I did was say I disagreed, and then backed up why. I didn't demean you or call you names. Wow.

 

[James in PA]

1) MM
2) Shanny
3) Vrabel
4) Coen
5) Ben Johnson

 

[Sperrydogg]

That's certainly a point in Vrabel's favor, but I hate that it's become the only thing they factor in. Vrabel was hardly the only reason they improved. Even if they had kept Mayo, having a second-year QB they drafted third overall with an experienced OC alone likely would have seen a considerable win increase, although not likely as big as they had under Vrabel.

Yeah the reward seems like it’s for whatever coach isn’t from Seattle and does the most with the least…

 

[Sperrydogg]

1) MM
2) Shanny
3) Vrabel
4) Coen
5) Ben Johnson

I like this list except mcvay is good too

 

[Seahawker]

Hell let Vrabel have it, we know better.
Besides, it just puts a little more sting into that SB loss for him and that elite legacy crowd.
PARTICIPATION TROPHY.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[RiverDog]

That's certainly a point in Vrabel's favor, but I hate that it's become the only thing they factor in. Vrabel was hardly the only reason they improved. Even if they had kept Mayo, having a second-year QB they drafted third overall with an experienced OC alone likely would have seen a considerable win increase, although not likely as big as they had under Vrabel.

Likewise, Macdonald is "hardly the only reason we improved." John Schneider, for example, was named "Executive of the Year" this season. Trading Metcalf and Geno while acquiring players like Sam Darnold, Rashid Shaheed, and moving up in the draft to take Nick E at #35, signing Cooper Kupp, were all huge moves that worked out inexplicitly well and arguably put this team over the top. Those are all some huge tools Mac had to work with this season that wasn't there last year.

I don't get too emotionally caught up in these individual awards, and I doubt that it makes Mac lose much sleep over it, either.

 

[pmedic920]

Omg....

Ok, let's not debate anything then. I'll make a mental note that you don't enjoy discussions, and I can know not to waste my time again.

All I did was say I disagreed, and then backed up why. I didn't demean you or call you names. Wow.

Not everything has to be a debate.

Nothing wrong with stating your opinion without expecting arguments, a discussion can certainly take place without.

Hence my point, don’t care if you disagree

 

[GemCity]

Although there's obviously a good case for Macdonald, there's also a very strong case for Vrabel.

In one year, Vrabel took a team that was 4-13 and led them to a 14-3 and one win away from the Lombardi. Macdonald, on the other hand, took a team that in the year prior to his arrival was 9-8, improved to 10-7 but missed the playoffs, then had a slam dunk Lombardi season this year.

Being that the measurement is for one season, in particular the difference in the regular season W/L records, 4-13 to 14-3 is more impressive than 10-7 to 14-3, while not necessarily agreeing, I can understand voters choosing Vrabel.

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Ofc, we’re all team MM and are happy with winning the big one.

But, I can totally see how it went to Vrabel.

With that said…who won Coach of the Year in 2018? Don’t remember do ya?

 

[Sperrydogg]

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Ofc, we’re all team MM and are happy with winning the big one.

But, I can totally see how it went to Vrabel.

With that said…who won Coach of the Year in 2018? Don’t remember do ya?

Shoot… I didn’t even know Mike vrabel won it this year… what a travesty…

 

[RiverDog]

This might not be the thread for it, but I was astounded when Vrabel did not go for two on the Patriots' first TD. 4th quarter, down 19-6. He goes for the 2-point conversion and gets it, making it an 11 point deficit, meaning that he can tie the game with a FG and TD. If he misses on the 2 point conversion, no biggie as he's still down the two TD's just like he would have been by kicking the XP.

That decision alone should disqualify Vrabel from COTY. Instead of pissing and moaning about some of the bad calls during the game, he should be slapping himself in the face for such a stupid mistake that every armchair quarterback like me could have figured out in an instant.

 

[Hawkinaz]

My vote would have been for Shanahan. To have all the Injuries they had and keeping the team competitive in the toughest division goes a long way. Any other team would have finished with a bottom 5 finish

 

[glenwo2]

Is that Biscuit they're hugging?

 

[Rat]

Likewise, Macdonald is "hardly the only reason we improved." John Schneider, for example, was named "Executive of the Year" this season. Trading Metcalf and Geno while acquiring players like Sam Darnold, Rashid Shaheed, and moving up in the draft to take Nick E at #35, signing Cooper Kupp, were all huge moves that worked out inexplicitly well and arguably put this team over the top. Those are all some huge tools Mac had to work with this season that wasn't there last year.

Absolutely. Mac got some HUGE advantages.

I'm not even claiming he should have gotten it, just that there's a number of variables to isolate that go beyond "who beat the Vegas over under odds most?".