Coach of the Year

[Ycrew]

This might not be the thread for it, but I was astounded when Vrabel did not go for two on the Patriots' first TD. 4th quarter, down 19-6. He goes for the 2-point conversion and gets it, making it an 11 point deficit, meaning that he can tie the game with a FG and TD. If he misses on the 2 point conversion, no biggie as he's still down the two TD's just like he would have been by kicking the XP.

That decision alone should disqualify Vrabel from COTY. Instead of pissing and moaning about some of the bad calls during the game, he should be slapping himself in the face for such a stupid mistake that every armchair quarterback like me could have figured out in an instant.

The offense was not working. The Seahawks got distracted when a streaker came on the field. Also with no communication going on and Woolen was confused.


But you are saying go for 2..... And because of that he should not be COTY.



You know that COTY awards are before playoffs right?

Do you also think Darnold should had gotten NFL MVP because he beat Stafford 2x?

 

[glenwo2]

The offense was not working. The Seahawks got distracted when a streaker came on the field. Also with no communication going on and Woolen was confused.


But you are saying go for 2..... And because of that he should not be COTY.



You know that COTY awards are before playoffs right?

Do you also think Darnold should had gotten NFL MVP because he beat Stafford 2x?

I think Darnold should get the MVP because I said so.

So there.


(so what was the argument about again? I just butted in and replied based only on your question. )

 

[Ycrew]

I think Darnold should get the MVP because I said so.

So there. View attachment 78701


(so what was the argument about again? I just butted in and replied based only on your question. )

I don't........ because after 3 years he will be paid 60 mill a year.

 

[glenwo2]

I don't........ because after 3 years he will be paid 60 mill a year.

Not your money, though.

 

[Ycrew]

Not your money, though.

Of course but there are more players that the money go to.

 

[RiverDog]

The offense was not working. The Seahawks got distracted when a streaker came on the field. Also with no communication going on and Woolen was confused.


But you are saying go for 2..... And because of that he should not be COTY.



You know that COTY awards are before playoffs right?

Do you also think Darnold should had gotten NFL MVP because he beat Stafford 2x?

I was commenting that a great coach, deserving of COTY, would have understood that the smart play in that situation would have been to go for 2.

And no, I don't think that Darnold should have gotten MVP simply because he beat the Rams twice.

 

[RiverDog]

Absolutely. Mac got some HUGE advantages.

I'm not even claiming he should have gotten it, just that there's a number of variables to isolate that go beyond "who beat the Vegas over under odds most?".

I agree.

That's one of the reasons why I don't get too caught up in this individual stuff. There's so many variables, and it's too opinionated.

 

[glenwo2]

I was commenting that a great coach, deserving of COTY, would have understood that the smart play in that situation would have been to go for 2.

And no, I don't think that Darnold should have gotten MVP simply because he beat the Rams twice.

It's really hilarious that he even suggested you would think that.

 

[RiverDog]

It's really hilarious that he even suggested you would think that.

He's a troll, that's why.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yeah so? Macdonald came in first yr had this team a mere decimal points from a playoff appearance. In a “rebuild” the this offseason gets rid of DK and Geno and Grubb.. all while hitting on the draft and acquisition. They would’ve won 4 games this yr if they had that same schedule. Coach Macdonald had one of more difficult schedules both seasons. Vrabel is an experienced HC already from his time in Tennessee. This is Coach Macdonalds 2nd yr as HC. I’m sure now if I actually tried I could keep going however, you enjoy downplaying a lot of what the team does.

You kind of made my point for me. We were mere decimal points from the playoffs last season compared to a team that only won 4 games last season and was easily one of the worst teams in the league.

Now i'm not ragging on anybody thinking MM deserved it as he's a freak, but he has a better GM and his team has more talent and is just legitimally better across the board than the Patriots.

I can't argue against points that other people are making -
1. Easiest schedule - check
2. Horrible division (Bills were a mess this season) - check
3. Easy road through the playoffs (If Stroud wasn't the worst QB ever during that game they lose to the Texans, if Nix plays they lose to the Broncos) - check
4. They got destroyed in the Super Bowl and exposed - check

I'm not hating or downplaying anybody or anything, but giving a coach the COY award for taking a 4 win team the previous year to the Super Bowl is fine to me.

 

[Grahamhawker]

"Coach Macdonald, what are your feelings about the COY award?"

"We did not care"

 

[bileever]

Mere excellence doesn't seem to be enough to win coach of the year. It's never about who's the best, but it's more about "most improved team." McVay also won his COTY award in his first season, when the Rams went from 4-12 to 11-5.

The Seahawks' transition under Pete was more gradual, so he never won COTY. Andy Reid only won the award once, in 2002 with the Eagles. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McDermott and Mike Tomlin
have never won COTY. Even HOF Tony Dungy never won the award.

Mike Vrabel's been around a long time as a player and a coach, so he's a known commodity and because he's a good guy, he's easy to vote for. He's won COTY twice already, the first time in 2021.

 

[Trackhawk]

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Ofc, we’re all team MM and are happy with winning the big one.

But, I can totally see how it went to Vrabel.

With that said…who won Coach of the Year in 2018? Don’t remember do ya?

Matt Nagy, yes I had to Google it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar thing happen to the Pats as happened to the Bears in 2019.

Nagy took a 5-11 team, with second-year QB Trubisky, to a fairy tale 12-4 record. The next year, Nagy's rigid, do it my way, in spite of the results, style, was the undoing of the relationship between the two, and they finished 8-8, just missing the playoffs. They made it to the playoffs the next year, but the relationship was soured, and Trubisky left in free agency.

While Maye strikes me as more compliant than Trubisky, there are some startling similarities. Vrabel seems to be a my way, or the highway coach, and it's unclear how their relationship will develop when faced with adversity.

Next year's schedule is going to be a much bigger challenge for them. Home games including Buffalo, Denver, Green Bay, and Minnesota are tough enough, but their road games will include Buffalo, Chicago Detroit, Kansas City, Los Angeles Chargers, Jacksonville, and Seattle. An 8 or 9 win season is not unlikely.

Coach of the year is an interesting list. Many failures on it.

2016 Garrett
2017 Mcvay
2018 Nagy
2019 John Harbaugh
2020 Stefanski
2021 Vrabel
2022 Daboll
2023 Stefanski
2024 O'Connell
2025 Vrabel

Only one subsequent Super Bowl winner in the bunch.

 

[bileever]

Matt Nagy, yes I had to Google it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar thing happen to the Pats as happened to the Bears in 2019.

Nagy took a 5-11 team, with second-year QB Trubisky, to a fairy tale 12-4 record. The next year, Nagy's rigid, do it my way, in spite of the results, style, was the undoing of the relationship between the two, and they finished 8-8, just missing the playoffs. They made it to the playoffs the next year, but the relationship was soured, and Trubisky left in free agency.

While Maye strikes me as more compliant than Trubisky, there are some startling similarities. Vrabel seems to be a my way, or the highway coach, and it's unclear how their relationship will develop when faced with adversity.

Next year's schedule is going to be a much bigger challenge for them. Home games including Buffalo, Denver, Green Bay, and Minnesota are tough enough, but their road games will include Buffalo, Chicago Detroit, Kansas City, Los Angeles Chargers, Jacksonville, and Seattle. An 8 or 9 win season is not unlikely.

Coach of the year is an interesting list. Many failures on it.

2016 Garrett
2017 Mcvay
2018 Nagy
2019 John Harbaugh
2020 Stefanski
2021 Vrabel
2022 Daboll
2023 Stefanski
2024 O'Connell
2025 Vrabel

Only one subsequent Super Bowl winner in the bunch.

Daboll LOL.

I feel like the Patriots are like last year's Commanders. They surprised people in 2024, but had fundamental flaws (and injuries) that derailed their season the next year.

 

[Natethegreat]

COY is almost always a which coach increased their win total the most award.
The point is to win the super bowl and guess what we did.
I could care less about coach of the year and I guarantee Mike doesn't either.

 

[RiverDog]

Mere excellence doesn't seem to be enough to win coach of the year. It's never about who's the best, but it's more about "most improved team." McVay also won his COTY award in his first season, when the Rams went from 4-12 to 11-5.

The Seahawks' transition under Pete was more gradual, so he never won COTY. Andy Reid only won the award once, in 2002 with the Eagles. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McDermott and Mike Tomlin
have never won COTY. Even HOF Tony Dungy never won the award.

Mike Vrabel's been around a long time as a player and a coach, so he's a known commodity and because he's a good guy, he's easy to vote for. He's won COTY twice already, the first time in 2021.

Exactly. This isn't like a player MVP where they look at the one season in a vacuum. IF that were the case, then Macdonald would have a much stronger case as his end product was by far the best in the league.