Chase and Higgins signed by Bengals

[Scout]

I wouldn't say it is about paying both WRs but you have to pay at least one WR in the modern NFL if you want a top flight offense.

 

[bileever]

I wouldn't say it is about paying both WRs but you have to pay at least one WR in the modern NFL if you want a top flight offense.

I get what you're saying. It's definitely a plus to have a dominant WR. But I don't think there are many in the NFL that are worth paying $30 million per year to. I would pay Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson, and maybe CeeDee Lamb, but that's about it for me. I feel like the Seahawks made the right decision in not paying DK.

 

[evergreen]

I never want the highest paid player on my team.

 

[Scout]

I get what you're saying. It's definitely a plus to have a dominant WR. But I don't think there are many in the NFL that are worth paying $30 million per year to. I would pay Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson, and maybe CeeDee Lamb, but that's about it for me. I feel like the Seahawks made the right decision in not paying DK.

Not paying DK and letting Lockett go will haunt them because the Titans did that and they ended up with an offense that D. Henry wanted no more to do with. There is more to it but the Titans FO slowly let a lot of their OL hit the road too which was the breaking point for Henry. Plus, an injry prone, older Tannehill behind a weakened OL and weapons that couldn't win downfield on the outside at boundary WR was a factor too for the Titans decline. Henry seems to be doing just fine now with the Ravens OL, but it goes to show even elite players need help. Football is a team game and you need to be able to stack talent at all spots.

There is a cascading effect by not re-signing Metcalf and that is that if the OL isn't upgraded the pressure for Walker to perform magnifies. And that may be unfair for the RB room if they are constantly seeing 8 in the box. Walker may not want to re-sign with the Seahawks if things may go south.

 

[IndyHawk]

A lot of NFL teams have increased the value and importance of WRs due the rule changes. Traditionally QB, OT, CB and Edge rushers were considered the premium positions. But now WR has entered the conversation.

That is why losing Metcalf and Lockett in one off season is brutal and a big gamble by the team. Worse, is that you have no one that is truly an anchor on offense signed long term. The defense has long term anchors signed on every level of the defense. Why does this matter? Continuity and also the changing of OCs year to year hurts the young players on offense with their current rookie deals.

I disagree, losing Metcalf and Lockett isn't brutal at all.
WRs come out of the draft that are ready from game 1, with all that passing
Grubb did you'd think those two would have massive numbers and yet they
don't.
Tyler plays old and fragile while DK is extremely overrated and is only elite at
being a decoy.

As for the Bengals, how much of their cap is tied into just QB and two WRs?
It's very stupid to have all that cap going to just 3 spots.

 

[Scout]

I disagree, losing Metcalf and Lockett isn't brutal at all.
WRs come out of the draft that are ready from game 1, with all that passing
Grubb did you'd think those two would have massive numbers and yet they
don't.
Tyler plays old and fragile while DK is extremely overrated and is only elite at
being a decoy.

As for the Bengals, how much of their cap is tied into just QB and two WRs?
It's very stupid to have all that cap going to just 3 spots.

Both Grubb's WR in college that went into Pros had different outcomes year 1 as rookies. The Patriots Polk wasn't ready to go for game 1 for the Patriots as he had a learning curve and the same with the Bucs McMillan. McMillan showed more down the stretch but took Godwin being injured as well as Evans to show his worth. But while both Evans and Godwin were out McMillan didn't do it alone because the Bucs running game carried the team with rookie Bucky Irving running behind an OL centered by first round rookie G. Barton. Meanwhile Polk saw sporadic playing time with Baker for the Patriots but there was no Evans or Godwin to take coverage away from them and to learn faster. And the Patriots OL was so bad that the WRs simply did not have enough looks and the rookie QB Maye took over which compounded all that.

So, no most WRs that come into the NFL year one are not ready to go unless we are talking about some special players as there is a learning curve. And two, it requires the right team set up to nurture and grow these WRs as the NFL is a team game.

 

[IndyHawk]

Both Grubb's WR in college that went into Pros had different outcomes year 1 as rookies. The Patriots Polk wasn't ready to go for game 1 for the Patriots as he had a learning curve and the same with the Bucs McMillan. McMillan showed more down the stretch but took Godwin being injured as well as Evans to show his worth. But while both Evans and Godwin were out McMillan didn't do it alone because the Bucs running game carried the team with rookie Bucky Irving running behind an OL centered by first round rookie G. Barton. Meanwhile Polk saw sporadic playing time with Baker for the Patriots but there was no Evans or Godwin to take coverage away from them and to learn faster. And the Patriots OL was so bad that the WRs simply did not have enough looks and the rookie QB Maye took over which compounded all that.

So, no most WRs that come into the NFL year one are not ready to go unless we are talking about some special players as there is a learning curve. And two, it requires the right team set up to nurture and grow these WRs as the NFL is a team game.

I didn't mean every WR comes out and flashes but more RBs and WRs are
ready than most other positions.
Ironically offenses were way down last season, defenses are catching up to
the spread so a lot WRs including ours last season were meh.

 

[bileever]

I didn't mean every WR comes out and flashes but more RBs and WRs are
ready than most other positions.
Ironically offenses were way down last season, defenses are catching up to
the spread so a lot WRs including ours last season were meh.

I think your original point about the availability of WRs is correct. It's not just that there are always good receivers coming out of college, but there are often other competent veteran alternatives.

Some rookie WRs are ready from year one. Every year, there are more than a few rookie WRs that play very well. Here are the top ten rookie WRs from last season:



I think WR is very different from other positions like QB, OL and CB where finding even one NFL-level player can be very difficult.

 

[toffee]

The wisdom of .NET experts:

• Our John Schneider has such good eyes that finding replacements for DK and Lockett would be easy.
• With the upgrade in the QB department from geNO to Darnold, even journeymen WR will look great with Darnold targeting them.
• The Schneider line, it was coaches that kept the line from performing to max, with Kobiak and his hand-picked OL coach, Schneider line will open so many boulevards that K9 and company will rush for 250+ yards a game, passing is merely complimentary.

Nothing to worry about here.