Byron Gonna Be A Problem

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If we didn't get a QB, this is the pick that I wanted us to end up with. He looked dominant in ways that I haven't seen a Seahawk defensive lineman be since Michael Bennet was when he was kicked inside on passing downs. Granted, he was playing against backups, even still, Murphy looks like he's going to be a problem.

I look forward to him reenacting the terrible things that Donald did to us over the years when we play the Rams.
 

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Kid is strong af, and plays relentless. Love it.

As a UW fan, watching him play against us in back-to-back big bowl games........dude was a game wrecker. And that includes the playoff. The Dawgs had the #1 ranked o line in the country. He stood out on several plays.
 

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Imagine Williams and/or Reed lining up with Murphy. Can't double everyone. Nwosu, Mafe, Hall, Spoon, Dodson and the rest of the gang should feast.


I honestly think we snagged the top D player in the past 2 drafts. I know Anderson took DROY...but the stats below show on-field production. Had to use a fantasy site for the comps...but clearly Spoon provided higher value. Granted, these are just stats...but we all saw the impact he had. In this situation, the stats tell a pretty accurate story.


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Sorry

I didn't mean to spin this thread into a Spoon versus Carter debate.

I wanted Murphy in the worst way, When the Draft SIM had the kid from Illinois as the number one tackle I was trading down and taking Murphy. I am thrilled that he is turning out to be exactly what we thought he would be and maybe more.

I am not down on Spoon. I love the kid and he was high on my radar. It's just a roster construction thing for me. I want my dominating players to be on the line of scrimmage. If I have a top five pick he better be 270 lbs or better. Dominant line play just makes everyone better

No you are all good, I wasn't aiming that comment at you or anyone in particular.
 

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And as @Maelstrom787 pointed out, Murphy's performance was good for a 55 pass-rush rating and a 26 tackling rating for the game from PFF. This is why PFF is pronounced "pfffffff!" That sound is the correct response any time anyone cites that source of completely subjective and no-more-useful-than-tables-of-random-numbers player ratings as evidence of anything other than "somebody at PFF likes this guy" or "somebody at PFF doesn't like this guy."
Murphy only played 19 snaps. That 55 pass-rush grade (not bad for a DT, btw) is based on 12 total snaps, and his tackling grade is based on a sample size of 7 snaps.

Do you think maybe the sample size contributed to such a low score? As evidenced by the fact that his overall grade is 68, which, by PFF's metrics, is slightly above average.
 

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Damn that's a great point .

I'm so happy Seattle waited for Byron Murphy III .

D00d, Byron Murphy III, if he comes to exist and decides to play gridiron football, will be ready for NFL football 20-odd years from now. I don't think the Seahawks should wait for him.

Let's just be happy the Seahawks got his (future) father Byron Murphy II.

Yes, I know it was a typo.

EDIT: and @12AngryHawks beat me to this one by about eight hours. 😬
 
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Murphy only played 19 snaps. That 55 pass-rush grade (not bad for a DT, btw) is based on 12 total snaps, and his tackling grade is based on a sample size of 7 snaps.

Do you think maybe the sample size contributed to such a low score? As evidenced by the fact that his overall grade is 68, which, by PFF's metrics, is slightly above average.

We're talking about PFF grades, which are based on the opinions of people desperate enough for fifty bucks per complete game that they're willing to waste at least six hours every Saturday watching and charting college-football games in addition to the hours they spend on NFL-game evaluation.

I'm not saying there isn't useful information that could be extracted from PFF grades if you had nothing else, but I would be utterly shocked if it turned out that PFF grades are a leading indicator of, well, anything at all. I suspect they're much more trailing indicators of player stats and reputations. Since player stats and player reputations can be obtained directly via other means, PFF grades are nothing but redundant trailing indicators.
 

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I don't know how I got that wrong . Does have a nice ring to it though? If everything goes as planned, Murphy has a HOF Seahawk career , marries , has offspring who attends UW, selected by Seattle in the 2048 NFL draft . 😆

Byron Murphy II is the guy ( Lagartixa and 12 AngryHawks ) we've been waiting for.
 

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We're talking about PFF grades, which are based on the opinions of people desperate enough for fifty bucks per complete game that they're willing to waste at least six hours every Saturday watching and charting college-football games in addition to the hours they spend on NFL-game evaluation.

I'm not saying there isn't useful information that could be extracted from PFF grades if you had nothing else, but I would be utterly shocked if it turned out that PFF grades are a leading indicator of, well, anything at all. I suspect they're much more trailing indicators of player stats and reputations. Since player stats and player reputations can be obtained directly via other means, PFF grades are nothing but redundant trailing indicators.
"PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review."

1) You are making assumptions about the roles of part-time employees and applying them to the entire company.

2) PFF grades over a trailing period are good predictors of their future PFF grades—on par with EPA, QBR, etc.


3) The real issue is that most people don't understand how to read PFF grades. For example, 50 is the normalized expected average—such that a player average of 50 over the season would be neither a positive nor negative to their team. Thus, the further away from 50 in the positive direction, the more impactful the player.

A quality starter typically falls around 65 (This is roughly Jarran Reed's career average), so Murphy being a 68 is actually a good sign. Again, though, the sample size from one game is mostly useless.
 

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