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Cleveland will pick him up and pay him 8 mill a year, seems to be the trend with our cast off linemen.
I agree that the competition is a good thing, but only if it nets us a legitimate Center.Jville":1r1bk57d said:I don't know where Joey Hunt ranks athletically. I have not see anything posted along those lines. He is undersized so his NFL level durability figures to be tested.
I am not sure what to make of the perception that Drew Nowak was more athletic than Patrick Lewis. I thought they were similar athletically. I did think Nowak was longer and better at getting to the second level .... so maybe that had something to do with it.
I liked Patrick Lewis two years ago when he made his first appearances. I thought he brought a different, though more limited, look to the center position. However, he looked slower and heavy footed going into his second season in Seattle. Patrick is someone whose conditioning and movement needs to be at its best for 2016. And althought his range is limited and durability is questionable, they need him to compete regardless of his fate.
Hold over center project Will Pericak is the biggest unknown factor. Although, it's is my understanding that his athleticism is better than both Lewis and Novak.
There is also the often discussed Kristjan Sokoli project. The state of his development is a mystery for most of us.
And now added to the list is .net's designated 2016 punching bag ..... Justin Britt
All in all ... the competition at center appears to be wide open! That's never a bad thing. :th2thumbs:
Jville":kiwmivtx said:I don't know where Joey Hunt ranks athletically. I have not see anything posted along those lines. He is undersized so his NFL level durability figures to be tested.
I am not sure what to make of the perception that Drew Nowak was more athletic than Patrick Lewis. I thought they were similar athletically. I did think Nowak was longer and better at getting to the second level .... so maybe that had something to do with it.
I liked Patrick Lewis two years ago when he made his first appearances. I thought he brought a different, though more limited, look to the center position. However, he looked slower and heavy footed going into his second season in Seattle. Patrick is someone whose conditioning and movement needs to be at its best for 2016. And althought his range is limited and durability is questionable, they need him to compete regardless of his fate.
Hold over center project Will Pericak is the biggest unknown factor. Although, it's is my understanding that his athleticism is better than both Lewis and Novak.
There is also the often discussed Kristjan Sokoli project. The state of his development is a mystery for most of us.
And now added to the list is .net's designated 2016 punching bag ..... Justin Britt
All in all ... the competition at center appears to be wide open! That's never a bad thing. :th2thumbs:
Pandion Haliaetus":323kg4gk said:Jville":323kg4gk said:I don't know where Joey Hunt ranks athletically. I have not see anything posted along those lines. He is undersized so his NFL level durability figures to be tested.
I am not sure what to make of the perception that Drew Nowak was more athletic than Patrick Lewis. I thought they were similar athletically. I did think Nowak was longer and better at getting to the second level .... so maybe that had something to do with it.
I liked Patrick Lewis two years ago when he made his first appearances. I thought he brought a different, though more limited, look to the center position. However, he looked slower and heavy footed going into his second season in Seattle. Patrick is someone whose conditioning and movement needs to be at its best for 2016. And althought his range is limited and durability is questionable, they need him to compete regardless of his fate.
Hold over center project Will Pericak is the biggest unknown factor. Although, it's is my understanding that his athleticism is better than both Lewis and Novak.
There is also the often discussed Kristjan Sokoli project. The state of his development is a mystery for most of us.
And now added to the list is .net's designated 2016 punching bag ..... Justin Britt
All in all ... the competition at center appears to be wide open! That's never a bad thing. :th2thumbs:
Id think Hunt would be more like the Russell Wilson of Center. For some reason the short and stout have the better injury luck.
My own thoughts on Britt, is thier 5 reasons this could work.
Reasoning:
1. Maybe its not Britt in the doghouse but Patrick Lewis once again. Or Both.
2. I feel like the team thinks Glowinski is the best OG on the team, but they are also adamant about starting Ifedi with Odhiambo, and probably Sokoli at that spot too.
3. And why not see what Britt has to offer at OC, its pretty much drafting Connor McGovern or Joe Dahl, except Britt has 36 starts of NFL experience out of 37 possible games, knows the system, playbook, QB, players as well as Cable.
Fits:
1. Not too long ago in 2009, the Seahawks drafted a 2nd round collegiate LT and immediately moved him RG with mixed results. In 2010, Carroll moved this player to OC but that player suffered a season ending injury. One could say that thus player wasnt valuable his first two years. In 2011, took a hold of this player and by 2012 this player was considered one of the best at his position. Obviously this player is Max Unger. Im just saying Unger took the long road as well before finding his way. Britt could be a similar player, he has experience at LT, LG, RG, RT. Hes played them the throughout his collegiate and Pro career. Thats experience that could be taught in a classroom but having a center that has lived it and understands all positions imo has much better chance of being a quality conductor
2. Britt has consistently excelled at only two things, 1. Combo Blocks, 2. Being a Hunter in the 2nd Level. Both are two things that are important traits in the ZBS especially at OC and Britt does them well. If Britts positives in Run Blocking is severely outweighed by his negatives in Pass-Protection then moving to OC will consistently help his flaws.
Im not rooting for Britt by any means but if OC can be his best position im rooting for that. Seahawks seem to be done with long-term projects at O-Line in Wilsons Franchise era they still have 3 in Sokoli, Perciak, and Schwenke. But they now seemed to be investing in short-term projects that have actual O-Line acumen.
If thats the plan to stabilize the O-line long term , im all for it.
We'll see how it shakes out.
hawkfan68":ccehnj96 said:Pandion Haliaetus":ccehnj96 said:Jville":ccehnj96 said:I don't know where Joey Hunt ranks athletically. I have not see anything posted along those lines. He is undersized so his NFL level durability figures to be tested.
I am not sure what to make of the perception that Drew Nowak was more athletic than Patrick Lewis. I thought they were similar athletically. I did think Nowak was longer and better at getting to the second level .... so maybe that had something to do with it.
I liked Patrick Lewis two years ago when he made his first appearances. I thought he brought a different, though more limited, look to the center position. However, he looked slower and heavy footed going into his second season in Seattle. Patrick is someone whose conditioning and movement needs to be at its best for 2016. And althought his range is limited and durability is questionable, they need him to compete regardless of his fate.
Hold over center project Will Pericak is the biggest unknown factor. Although, it's is my understanding that his athleticism is better than both Lewis and Novak.
There is also the often discussed Kristjan Sokoli project. The state of his development is a mystery for most of us.
And now added to the list is .net's designated 2016 punching bag ..... Justin Britt
All in all ... the competition at center appears to be wide open! That's never a bad thing. :th2thumbs:
Id think Hunt would be more like the Russell Wilson of Center. For some reason the short and stout have the better injury luck.
My own thoughts on Britt, is thier 5 reasons this could work.
Reasoning:
1. Maybe its not Britt in the doghouse but Patrick Lewis once again. Or Both.
2. I feel like the team thinks Glowinski is the best OG on the team, but they are also adamant about starting Ifedi with Odhiambo, and probably Sokoli at that spot too.
3. And why not see what Britt has to offer at OC, its pretty much drafting Connor McGovern or Joe Dahl, except Britt has 36 starts of NFL experience out of 37 possible games, knows the system, playbook, QB, players as well as Cable.
Fits:
1. Not too long ago in 2009, the Seahawks drafted a 2nd round collegiate LT and immediately moved him RG with mixed results. In 2010, Carroll moved this player to OC but that player suffered a season ending injury. One could say that thus player wasnt valuable his first two years. In 2011, took a hold of this player and by 2012 this player was considered one of the best at his position. Obviously this player is Max Unger. Im just saying Unger took the long road as well before finding his way. Britt could be a similar player, he has experience at LT, LG, RG, RT. Hes played them the throughout his collegiate and Pro career. Thats experience that could be taught in a classroom but having a center that has lived it and understands all positions imo has much better chance of being a quality conductor
2. Britt has consistently excelled at only two things, 1. Combo Blocks, 2. Being a Hunter in the 2nd Level. Both are two things that are important traits in the ZBS especially at OC and Britt does them well. If Britts positives in Run Blocking is severely outweighed by his negatives in Pass-Protection then moving to OC will consistently help his flaws.
Im not rooting for Britt by any means but if OC can be his best position im rooting for that. Seahawks seem to be done with long-term projects at O-Line in Wilsons Franchise era they still have 3 in Sokoli, Perciak, and Schwenke. But they now seemed to be investing in short-term projects that have actual O-Line acumen.
If thats the plan to stabilize the O-line long term , im all for it.
We'll see how it shakes out.
Great post but I don't believe the comparison of the situation between Unger and Britt fits here. Max Unger was a center at Oregon. Actually he was rated an elite center along with Alex Mack in the 2009 draft. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/520658. It was Jim Mora who drafted him and I thought it was also Mora who shifted him to guard. Center seemed to be Unger's natural position from the get go. Not sure if Britt ever played center in college.
hawknation2016":2ftc3vp9 said:Britt has never played center before.
Mojambo":37s7q0uu said:hawknation2016":37s7q0uu said:Britt has never played center before.
Is this true? I have read otherwise.
RichNhansom":g87zugtg said:I can't shake the feeling this guy is going to become a good lineman. Definitely makes sense as an all around backup if he can learn the center position. He would have extensive training at tackle and guard and be able to use that experience to learn the center position.
I get the feeling Lewis and Nowak both struggled with either attitude or personality problems that make them a potential liability. Britt while struggling to take advantage of the opportunities he has had, does seem to have the favor of the coaches and they genuinely seem to want him to succeed.
I'm still pulling for the guy and will until I have a good reason not to. Would hate to see him cut and then catch on another team just as he gets it figured out.
“The thing I love about it is we’re going to be spaced right in our level of maturity in the system and our background of it,” Cable said, “and then we plug in some young guys with it. It should be fantastic.” ..........................
............................ Cable said it was Britt’s experience with the Seahawks that led the move.
“I think that’s what enables us to do it, the fact that he is well-versed in our system two years now,” Cable said. “He’s played tackle, he’s played guard, kinda understands it. The issue for him will be getting him comfortable and confident snapping.” link >>> [urltargetblank]http://sports.mynorthwest.com/124408/seahawks-shifting-justin-britt-to-center-from-right-guard/[/urltargetblank]
Jville":2tbjdjbx said:Tom Cable framed the announcement today as follows .......
“The thing I love about it is we’re going to be spaced right in our level of maturity in the system and our background of it,” Cable said, “and then we plug in some young guys with it. It should be fantastic.” ..........................
............................ Cable said it was Britt’s experience with the Seahawks that led the move.
“I think that’s what enables us to do it, the fact that he is well-versed in our system two years now,” Cable said. “He’s played tackle, he’s played guard, kinda understands it. The issue for him will be getting him comfortable and confident snapping.” link >>> [urltargetblank]http://sports.mynorthwest.com/124408/seahawks-shifting-justin-britt-to-center-from-right-guard/[/urltargetblank]
Furthermore ..... candidate right tackle Webb played every snap last year. And ...... candidate left tackle Gilliam played all but 21 snaps last year. And candidate center Britt played all but one snap last year. That features some nice experience and durability for young guards trying to establish themselves in the NFL.
hawknation2016":1n6tf22n said:Jville":1n6tf22n said:Tom Cable framed the announcement today as follows .......
“The thing I love about it is we’re going to be spaced right in our level of maturity in the system and our background of it,” Cable said, “and then we plug in some young guys with it. It should be fantastic.” ..........................
............................ Cable said it was Britt’s experience with the Seahawks that led the move.
“I think that’s what enables us to do it, the fact that he is well-versed in our system two years now,” Cable said. “He’s played tackle, he’s played guard, kinda understands it. The issue for him will be getting him comfortable and confident snapping.” link >>> [urltargetblank]http://sports.mynorthwest.com/124408/seahawks-shifting-justin-britt-to-center-from-right-guard/[/urltargetblank]
Furthermore ..... candidate right tackle Webb played every snap last year. And ...... candidate left tackle Gilliam played all but 21 snaps last year. And candidate center Britt played all but one snap last year. That features some nice experience and durability for young guards trying to establish themselves in the NFL.
The difference, of course, is that Gilliam and Webb are being slotted in with the first team as tackles. Britt is way behind Lewis in showing a command of the center position. And until he proves he can snap the ball and pass protect, he will probably be behind Hunt, as well.
Jville":2h0jpieo said:hawknation2016":2h0jpieo said:Jville":2h0jpieo said:Tom Cable framed the announcement today as follows .......
“The thing I love about it is we’re going to be spaced right in our level of maturity in the system and our background of it,” Cable said, “and then we plug in some young guys with it. It should be fantastic.” ..........................
............................ Cable said it was Britt’s experience with the Seahawks that led the move.
“I think that’s what enables us to do it, the fact that he is well-versed in our system two years now,” Cable said. “He’s played tackle, he’s played guard, kinda understands it. The issue for him will be getting him comfortable and confident snapping.” link >>> [urltargetblank]http://sports.mynorthwest.com/124408/seahawks-shifting-justin-britt-to-center-from-right-guard/[/urltargetblank]
Furthermore ..... candidate right tackle Webb played every snap last year. And ...... candidate left tackle Gilliam played all but 21 snaps last year. And candidate center Britt played all but one snap last year. That features some nice experience and durability for young guards trying to establish themselves in the NFL.
The difference, of course, is that Gilliam and Webb are being slotted in with the first team as tackles. Britt is way behind Lewis in showing a command of the center position. And until he proves he can snap the ball and pass protect, he will probably be behind Hunt, as well.
Cable was clear about how he sees the challenge Britt is facing. I was only pointing out the snap counts as an attempt at enhancing the remarks of Cable.
This is very early in the process of putting together a 2016 roster. Nothing is set in stone. This is just day two of a very fluid competition.