Belicheat confirmed...Deflate-gate

[volsunghawk]

Because throwing 14 games is on par with deflating balls by 2 PSI. Notice that every time you hear about cheating, it's in an attempt to WIN games. You never hear about cheating with the goal of losing games and very likely your job along with them. Coaches lost jobs. Players got cut. Polian got fired and so did his son. I'm sure that was their goal. :roll:

Yeah, because it'd take a concerted effort to lose 14 games with Curtis Painter at QB all year and a mediocre defense. Otherwise, hell, they'd have just stumbled onto a 16-0 season, right?

Also, way to imply that they wouldn't win by losing in the form of being able to draft Andrew Luck. Yep, no upside to it at all. Keep it comin', Volsung; I love it! :lol:

No upside to it for Polian, the coaching staff, the other QBs on the roster. You do get the concept that losing badly tends to cost folks their jobs, right? So all those people were fine with the possibility of losing their jobs just so the guys who replaced them could draft Luck?

Oh, and now you admit that the team had poor QBs and a mediocre defense. Those were essentially all the same players they had the year before when they went 10-6. The 2010 team had an awful defense and an awful rush offense, and the Colts were a team that was starting to decline some from their height. The only thing keeping them relevant was a weak AFC South and Peyton Freaking Manning. And when the one player keeping the Colts in contention went down, the steep drop off to becoming a really bad team somehow indicates "tanking"?

Think of it this way. The Colts were a racecar with subpar tires, suspension, transmission, etc. But that car had an INCREDIBLE engine. Just phenomenal. And the only reason it was winning races was because of that great engine. And so everything about that car was tweaked just so to complement the engine. Plus, the engine was really expensive, so the racing team had to skimp on improving those other parts of the car, and the replacement engines they had available weren't much to speak of. Now, when that engine breaks down and the racing team is forced to put a crap engine in there with all the other subpar components, and that car loses race after race... is the racing team TANKING the races, or is it just a case of "well, yeah, when you take away the one thing that made that car competitive, no wonder it loses"?

I have no idea why so many people love to jump to conspiracy when all the evidence available points to poor planning or just plain human incompetence.

 

[minormillikin]

I think a lot of you guys aren't privy to all the new stuff. The refs checked the balls, thought they were fine and it's believed they deflated the balls after the check. The most suspicious element to me is that of the 11 of 12 that were deflated, they were all deflated the same amount.

If the refs thought the footballs were fine they are either incompetent and it's a league issue where refs are ill trained and many teams do this or the refs allow this for all teams or they're in cahoots with the Pats.

The refs being incompetent is a distinct likelihood. If Belichick wasn't known to bend the rules, we'd probably all be more focused on the ref issue.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Your refusal to think it's even a possibility is what I laugh at, Volsung.

 

[Our Man in Chicago]

Teams get caught cheating often but either their local media won't report it or it's put on the back pages. For example I bet you at least 95% of americans have no idea the Cleveland Browns coaches or players or both were using cellphones and texting during the game...

I read that, but it's the Browns. No one cares about the Browns.

Seriously, though: I figured that fines would be levied, and then poor Cleveland would have even less money to sign Manziel to an big extension in 3 years. It's not like they're playing in the Super Bowl.

 

[bmorepunk]

If you inflate a ball at 70 degrees and take it outside in 40 degree weather the pressure will decrease. Ever leave a properly inflated basketball outside in the cold overnight? How does it bounce in the morning. Like its flat. Ever check the tire pressure on your car before and after driving on them? big difference.

This sounds like much ado about nothing.

If you have a ball inflated at 12.5 psi at 72 F and get it down to settled ambient temperature of 40 F, the temperature will drop 0.7 psi, not 2.0. For that to occur it would have to settle at at temperature below -10 F.

 

[Pats fan1]

If the Pats wouldn't have used those questionable "eligible/non-eligible" play formations against the Ravens and wouldn't have beat the Ravens and if the Pats wouldn't have played the Colts and wouldn't have beat the Cotls I bet you none of this would have been reported or exposed.

The problem is the Colts and Ravens have serious hate for the Pats. It's personal. Many teams conspire against the Pats especially in the AFC.

If the Pats would have beaten the Chargers or Bengals or Browns if they were met in the playoffs I highly doubt anything would have been reported.

After the Ravens/Pats game there were reports that coach Harbaugh and coach Pagano contacted each other to talk about "things."

It's almost as if the Colts knew they would lose this game and instead of game planning to try to beat the Pats they showed up as detectives to try to find anything they could to catch the Pats.

 

[volsunghawk]

Your refusal to think it's even a possibility is what I laugh at, Volsung.

Okay, fine. I will ignore the concepts of cause-and-effect and basic logic to allow that there is a very remote, less than 1% possibility, that lots of folks in the Colts organization - players, coaches, and front office personnel - decided to sacrifice their job security in order to tank a season so they could draft a QB who might or might not actually pan out for the people who would potentially take their jobs. :roll:

 

[NFSeahawks]

Seahawk fans should chill on this.

Because you know the NFL is coming after us next... They want parody, and the Patriots have messed up their parody scheme and now the Seahawks are threatening it.

It's like Sherman says -- every time a Seahawk has a good game, they test for PED's...

I bet tons of teams mess with the game balls to give them an advantage, but the Patriots are under way more scrutiny, just as Seattle has been.

Life Lesson:

Don't get involved in witch hunts because sooner or later they'll be at YOUR door with the pitchforks and the bonfire.

I will take you serious when you learn how to spell. Don't use a $5 word like PARITY unless you can at least spell it properly. 'Parody' is a form of comedy, although it does fit what you are telling Seahawk fans to do. :roll:

I'll take you seriously when you learn how to behave like an adult instead of a deranged spoiled child.

I've not slept one wink in over 48 hours - I can barely even see the effing computer screen at this point and I could give a rats ass if you want to correct a misplaced word. Why don't you call 911 over it?

I'm sick of the incessant mass hysteria that's plagued damn near the entire NFL season and now the playoffs as well. It's Rice, it's Peterson, then it's a bad call with the Lions, then it's Dez Bryant, now the Packers "shouldn't have lost" which is quickly overshadowed by the Patriots are not putting enough air in footballs.

This crap has been going on in the NFL for damn near a hundred years - but suddenly it's something to freak out about?

If Vince Lombardi were alive today - you all would hate his guts, and demand that he be "banned for life" for effing up the field prior to the Ice Bowl.

The issue here is social media and the inability of the population to handle it. The technology has outclassed the intellect.

You're fully of hypurbuly, oh wait, I'm sorry, hyperbole. Gotta be careful on those words, lest I be BANNED from posting.

To be fair your first post was very poor, you can't really be surprised by the response.

 

[SnoCoHawk]

I think a lot of you guys aren't privy to all the new stuff. The refs checked the balls, thought they were fine and it's believed they deflated the balls after the check. The most suspicious element to me is that of the 11 of 12 that were deflated, they were all deflated the same amount.

If the refs thought the footballs were fine they are either incompetent and it's a league issue where refs are ill trained and many teams do this or the refs allow this for all teams or they're in cahoots with the Pats.

Yes, let's blame the refs for the cheating because hey - they should have caught the cheaters sooner. Because, you know, the refs don't just lightly pick up the balls and move them around during the game like it looks on TV - they secretly squeeze them for pliability with their magic PSI-measuring hands. Makes perfect sense.

All sarcasm aside - I hope they're closely checking that 12th ball for some kind of subtle mark indicating it was for kicking only.

 

[SomersetHawk]

If the Pats wouldn't have used those questionable "eligible/non-eligible" play formations against the Ravens and wouldn't have beat the Ravens and if the Pats wouldn't have played the Colts and wouldn't have beat the Cotls I bet you none of this would have been reported or exposed.

The problem is the Colts and Ravens have serious hate for the Pats. It's personal. Many teams conspire against the Pats especially in the AFC.

If the Pats would have beaten the Chargers or Bengals or Browns if they were met in the playoffs I highly doubt anything would have been reported.

After the Ravens/Pats game there were reports that coach Harbaugh and coach Pagano contacted each other to talk about "things."

It's almost as if the Colts knew they would lose this game and instead of game planning to try to beat the Pats they showed up as detectives to try to find anything they could to catch the Pats.

That's irrelevant. It looks very likely that you broke the rules and regardless of personal vendettas this is all on the Patriots.

I'll remind you of your previous comments in case you forgot them, because you're not sounding like the guy who wrote this...

"IF" the evidence clearly is shown and it's proven the Pats deliberately illegally screwed around with the footballs after they were inspected then yes the NFL should come down on them hard, fine them, take away draft picks and suspend Belichick for the entire season. As a Pats' fan I'll probably stop being a fan of them if the evidence is there and NFL's findings show the Pats are guilty.

 

[minormillikin]

Really, this has nothing to do with the Super Bowl or the Seahawks, since you can now guarantee that every football in Greater Glendale AZ will now be checked for proper inflation.

I'd hope the seahawks are more concerned with Belichick's use of eligible/ineligible receivers.

 

[Our Man in Chicago]

It's almost as if the Colts knew they would lose this game and instead of game planning to try to beat the Pats they showed up as detectives to try to find anything they could to catch the Pats.

Come, now. The provenance of the scam is being readily reported. Cheating is cheating. You're just upset that the Colts found it out.

 

[Pats fan1]

If the Pats wouldn't have used those questionable "eligible/non-eligible" play formations against the Ravens and wouldn't have beat the Ravens and if the Pats wouldn't have played the Colts and wouldn't have beat the Cotls I bet you none of this would have been reported or exposed.

The problem is the Colts and Ravens have serious hate for the Pats. It's personal. Many teams conspire against the Pats especially in the AFC.

If the Pats would have beaten the Chargers or Bengals or Browns if they were met in the playoffs I highly doubt anything would have been reported.

After the Ravens/Pats game there were reports that coach Harbaugh and coach Pagano contacted each other to talk about "things."

It's almost as if the Colts knew they would lose this game and instead of game planning to try to beat the Pats they showed up as detectives to try to find anything they could to catch the Pats.

That's irrelevant. It looks very likely that you broke the rules and regardless of personal vendettas this is all on the Patriots.

I'll remind you of your previous comments in case you forgot them, because you're not sounding like the guy who wrote this...

"IF" the evidence clearly is shown and it's proven the Pats deliberately illegally screwed around with the footballs after they were inspected then yes the NFL should come down on them hard, fine them, take away draft picks and suspend Belichick for the entire season. As a Pats' fan I'll probably stop being a fan of them if the evidence is there and NFL's findings show the Pats are guilty.

I didn't break any rules. I don't have to apologize for anything or to anybody. Take it up with the Patriots, refs and NFL. It's up to them to explain. Pats' fans aren't in on this.

Should you and Seahawks fans be held responsible for any Seahawks players using performance enhancing drugs or the Seahawks doing any illegal activity?

 

[bbsplitter]

This makes me like him even more. It's like Marshawn putting the gold on the BOTTOM of his cleats, but on a whole new level of 'screw you NFL'. The fact that the refs handle the balls all game long and it took a linebacker to tell the world it was under-inflated? If anything I would suspend the Refs. NFL is mainly mad cuz it makes them look like idiots.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Your refusal to think it's even a possibility is what I laugh at, Volsung.

Okay, fine. I will ignore the concepts of cause-and-effect and basic logic to allow that there is a very remote, less than 1% possibility, that lots of folks in the Colts organization - players, coaches, and front office personnel - decided to sacrifice their job security in order to tank a season so they could draft a QB who might or might not actually pan out for the people who would potentially take their jobs. :roll:

You believe it would take a concerted effort involving players, coaches, and front office personnel to lose a few extra games? Give me a friggin' break. A single coordinator can, and HAS, done it by ACCIDENT; see: Gus Bradley's prevent defense at the end of the Seahawks @ Falcons 2012 playoff game.

A little poor choice here or there once in a while by the right single individual can easily alter the outcome of a game.

It astounds me that you don't realize how easy it'd be to do that intentionally if one wanted to.

In any case, more on topic, The Onion has weighed in on DeflateGate.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation ... thi,37819/

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

If you inflate a ball at 70 degrees and take it outside in 40 degree weather the pressure will decrease. Ever leave a properly inflated basketball outside in the cold overnight? How does it bounce in the morning. Like its flat. Ever check the tire pressure on your car before and after driving on them? big difference.

This sounds like much ado about nothing.

Not 2lbs of psi that takes around an 80 degree drop in temperature to occur in the timeframe of a game. Unless there is outright cheating going on. It's all about the math and completely provable that's why the NFL couldn't dodge it, or deflect it.

 

[YYZHawksFan]

i wonder when the league will post something on its site. i'd say that this is a big problem for them. sounds like another person admitted to having done this before also...and during an SB game. did i read that right. yikes.

 

[StoneCold]

I was just getting ready to post that Marshawn grabs his balls and gets a fine and Bellicheat deflates his and may get nothing?

SC

 

[SomersetHawk]

If the Pats wouldn't have used those questionable "eligible/non-eligible" play formations against the Ravens and wouldn't have beat the Ravens and if the Pats wouldn't have played the Colts and wouldn't have beat the Cotls I bet you none of this would have been reported or exposed.

The problem is the Colts and Ravens have serious hate for the Pats. It's personal. Many teams conspire against the Pats especially in the AFC.

If the Pats would have beaten the Chargers or Bengals or Browns if they were met in the playoffs I highly doubt anything would have been reported.

After the Ravens/Pats game there were reports that coach Harbaugh and coach Pagano contacted each other to talk about "things."

It's almost as if the Colts knew they would lose this game and instead of game planning to try to beat the Pats they showed up as detectives to try to find anything they could to catch the Pats.

That's irrelevant. It looks very likely that you broke the rules and regardless of personal vendettas this is all on the Patriots.

I'll remind you of your previous comments in case you forgot them, because you're not sounding like the guy who wrote this...

"IF" the evidence clearly is shown and it's proven the Pats deliberately illegally screwed around with the footballs after they were inspected then yes the NFL should come down on them hard, fine them, take away draft picks and suspend Belichick for the entire season. As a Pats' fan I'll probably stop being a fan of them if the evidence is there and NFL's findings show the Pats are guilty.

I didn't break any rules. I don't have to apologize for anything or to anybody. Take it up with the Patriots, refs and NFL. It's up to them to explain. Pats' fans aren't in on this.

Should you and Seahawks fans be held responsible for any Seahawks players using performance enhancing drugs or the Seahawks doing any illegal activity?

Way to shirk my point.

 

[marymoorhawk]

I don't care much about deflated footballs either, as I'm pretty confident the 2 best teams in the NFL are in the Super Bowl.

Saying that, you gotta think this helps the Hawks. This HAS to be a major distraction for New England, right during the time that they're supposed to be putting their game plan together (assuming they have the same plan as Pete).

No more than the media firestorm last year about Sherman hurt our game planning. I would argue that was even bigger than this - only sports fans/media even care about this. The Sherman thing was much broader and was talked about in all forms of media due to the social impact and subsequent discussion.