Hawk Finn
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Johnny Football. Congrats!
Hawk Finn":2jymxtwv said:He's a freaking frosh, J. A&M isn't even in the discussion without this kid. That said, you'll get no argument from me on Lee's talent.
Carmon1274":1471u8js said:He had 3 picks and 0 TD against LSU and don't know much about college football heisman stuff but why didn't geno smith get invited ?
kearly":4c0vnvvm said:I'm glad Manziel won from that group. Mariota should have been nominated though. It makes no sense for Klein to be a finalist and not Mariota. It's one of the lame things about any awards process. If not for an overtime loss to a very tough Stanford team, Oregon is #1 and Mariota is almost certainly a finalist (and maybe the winner) in that scenario.
Also, Braxton Miller was snubbed horribly as well. Should mention that too. It's kind of insulting that some of the best Heisman candidates in the country were not even finalists, which is even worse since they only had 3 options this year instead of the usual 5-6.
SharkHawk":3h317rz9 said:Compare Manziel's numbers to every other Heisman winning QB out of the SEC over the years. He beats them pretty badly in a few key areas, and he did that as a FRESHMAN. This wasn't like he stepped into a juggernaut of a team either. A&M is always up and down, and he came in and got progressively better as the year went on, just as RG3 did last year. You can't overlook what he did. There probably isn't a team I dislike more than Texas A&M, but I can't deny that this kid was a one man show. He didn't have the support staff that guys like Mariota had, or the coaching, or talent surrounding him. This was supposed to be a very down year for them, and he came out and lit it up. He's a real phenom and as cool of a freshman as I've seen in quite some time, at a much more difficult position to play than WR or RB.
SEC FAN":375yrgk2 said:Cool, I'm glad he won it. I think I got too wrapped up in the Te'o story. I didn't watch the show but did they bring up Johnny Footballs crappy game against LSU?
SeatownJay":2dkwnqip said:If JSeahawks had his way the three players invited to NYC would've been Mariota, Barner, and Lyerla.
JSeahawks":2l1btt5v said:Manziel vs Mariota
First of all let me make it very clear that i'm not saying Mariota should have won the Heisman, i wouldnt have even put him in my top 5 if I had a vote. I'm just saying that he's a better QB.
Manziel had 88 more pass attempts then Mariota. But Mariota had 6 more TD's (30 to 24). Mariota had a 5:1 Td/Int ratio while Manziel's was 3:1. Mariota had a slightly higher completion percentage while Manziel had a slightly higher average yards per completion. Mariota's QB rating was 10 points higher.
Manziel had 96 more rushing attempts then Mariota. But Mariota averaged 7.04 on his rush attempts while Manziel averaged 6.46. Manziel did have a huge advantage in rushing Tds: 19 to 4.
I would argue that Manziel had a much better offensive line and slightly better receiving core. Mariota had the advantage of a much better running game (which is why he had so many fewer rushing tds) and better overall offensive system.
It seems clear to me that the only reason Manziel had better numbers is because he had greatly more opportunity.
Mariota was the victim of his own success. He, and his teammates were so good in the first half of games that he didnt get the chance to build up stats in the 2nd halves on many occasions.
I would also argue that Mariota makes his teammates better by sticking with the play and trusting the play and only takes off as a last option, rather then Manziel who takes off at the first sign of trouble and does the rest on his own. Mariota is Russell Wilson, Manziel is a young Michael Vick. Both great and dynamic players but which would you rather have running your team?
One final stat. Against top 25 opponents Mariota threw for 12 td's and 3 interceptions with a record of 4-1. Against top 25 opponents Manziel had 5 td's and 4 int's with a 2-2 record.
And a question for Kearly, every time you talk about Mariota you mention questionable decision making, can you point to an example? (not arguiing, just trying to have a friendly debate and trying to understand).
p.s. I promise this will be my last Mariota post until next season, cuz i'm even annoying myself with them.