After Week 1: Hawks D vs NFCW

[MORGULON]

I don’t see anyone saying this is an end all rating here. It’s week 1 and everyone knows it. Even the OP said that we had an easier draw as far as matchups. I do find it ironic though that you say it’s too early to compare defenses then say we only played the 26th ranked offense. After week 1 all offenses are ranked where they are due to the defense they played. Just like all defenses will be ranked by the one team they played. I don’t look at these numbers and say our defense will be the best in the West this year, but it’s fun to see the stats each week and watch them move up and down the rankings.

Yeah . Doesn't that niner fan have his own forum to go to or do Santa Clara fans get on his nerves like they do ours ?

He's obviously a little concerned about Seattle. They better make it work this year because they won't have the money to go around next season.

 

[Double Tribble]

Why weren't the players on offense called for traveling though? They were holding the ball the whole time and didn't dribble it once. I don't get this whole football thingy.

 

[SNDavidson]

Also rather than just ints you probably should have total turnovers

maybe go tell a 9ers board?

 

[DarkVictory23]

Perhaps you might want to let things play out for a few weeks before comparing defenses? Hawks D looked awesome but it was against the 26th ranked offense starting a rookie qb. Got to let things play out for a few weeks to get the whole picture together . If the Seahawks still have great numbers after the week 3 test against Miami , then you got something

Also 49ers were blowing out the Jets and allowed a lot of yards in garbage time . It’s got to all play out for a few weeks

And the Niners played against the 30th-ish ranked offense starting a 40 year old man coming off an Achilles injury after finishing one of his worst seasons ever as a starter the year before. So, how much pro-rating do you really want to do here?

 

[Ostatehawk]

Niners are still the best team in the NFC. And there's no secret how I feel about them. Until someone knocks them off, they are the team to beat in the NFC.

Now, I'm gonna' go throw up.

I feel bad that you had to type that.

 

[94Smith]

That’s even worse since there is loss of players and additions of players, week 1 of this season really has absolutely nothing to do with last years ranking. All teams start fresh and rankings will be updated every week of this year which was kind of the point of this thread

I disagree with this. In general large transitions in offensive and defensive rankings are not the norm and last years ranking is most consistent with the week one ranking.

 

[94Smith]

And the Niners played against the 30th-ish ranked offense starting a 40 year old man coming off an Achilles injury after finishing one of his worst seasons ever as a starter the year before. So, how much pro-rating do you really want to do here?

I'm not. However the 49ers have had a top 10 defense for the last 5 years so I think they will probably end up there again

 

[94Smith]

Yeah . Doesn't that niner fan have his own forum to go to or do Santa Clara fans get on his nerves like they do ours ?

He's obviously a little concerned about Seattle. They better make it work this year because they won't have the money to go around next season.

I usually stay away from the threads just about the Seahawks. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate a dash of reality with your rose coloured tea

 

[94Smith]

Jets were the worst offense last year

Your right they did, but I didn't start the thread comparing defenses!

 

[DarkVictory23]

I'm not. However the 49ers have had a top 10 defense for the last 5 years so I think they will probably end up there again

That's nice but doesn't really have much relevance to your comment about where the Broncos offense ranked last year then.

The Seahawks defense looked really good against an offense that was 20-ish level the previous season. The Niners defense looked pretty good against an offense that was 30-ish level the previous season.

Saying 'let's wait to discuss football until week 4' makes no sense on a message board that exists to discuss football at basically all times.

 

[kidhawk]

I disagree with this. In general large transitions in offensive and defensive rankings are not the norm and last years ranking is most consistent with the week one ranking.

If that’s your argument then what’s your issue with the stats rankings? It’s not like the Jets were any better than the Broncos last year so it seems to be a wash really.

Besides, this thread isn’t even trying to say we are the best, it’s merely factual numbers after week 1. Threads like this are posted here all season long.

 

[94Smith]

If that’s your argument then what’s your issue with the stats rankings? It’s not like the Jets were any better than the Broncos last year so it seems to be a wash really.

Besides, this thread isn’t even trying to say we are the best, it’s merely factual numbers after week 1. Threads like this are posted here all season long.

The OP literallly said "Hawks had the most consistenly good D for week 1 in the NFCW", and you can't even say that because they did not all face the same competition. You can say they looked great, their ranking is X, but you can't compare anything because the sample size is too small

 

[kidhawk]

The OP literallly said "Hawks had the most consistenly good D for week 1 in the NFCW", and you can't even say that because they did not all face the same competition. You can say they looked great, their ranking is X, but you can't compare anything because the sample size is too small

He literally said FOR week 1. You seem to be the only one confusing that as claiming dominance or something.

 

[94Smith]

He literally said FOR week 1. You seem to be the only one confusing that as claiming dominance or something.

You can't even say that for week one though!

 

[LeveeBreak]

I usually stay away from the threads just about the Seahawks. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate a dash of reality with your rose coloured tea

Please explain the rose colored tea? What was posted were facts (stats) with some additional context that was grounding in nature.

You enter another teams board telling it's posters how/when/why to post with more than a little dash of condescension. That is the reality people are responding to. On most fan boards, you would get banned for trolling and ripping one in the middle of a room. For the most part, the admins on this board are pretty good at letting things go for a bit...but the posters, while mostly classy with high football IQ, are not saps and certainly don't like to be lectured to by any other fan base, especially the whiners.

Now, I get the awful feeling you had when we entered the NFCW and proceeded to essentially take over the division, winning it 4x in the 1st 6 years and 9 for 22 over the entire duration with a SB victory. Add the inability of the 9ers to win a SB since the restructure, including the period where we both sat atop the NFC and the hawks essentially b!tch-slapped a Kaepernick led team back into mediocrity.

Now, in the last few years, SF has turned things around and the Hawks declined. I think some whiner fans feel it is their time and have the right to behave like a jackoff. Every families odd cousin who can't help bragging about everthing w/o understanding that his company is not wanted at gatherings.

But hey...its just week 1. Cheers!

 

[94Smith]

Please explain the rose colored tea? What was posted were facts (stats) with some additional context that was grounding in nature.

You enter another teams board telling it's posters how/when/why to post with more than a little dash of condescension. That is the reality people are responding to. On most fan boards, you would get banned for trolling and ripping one in the middle of a room. For the most part, the admins on this board are pretty good at letting things go for a bit...but the posters, while mostly classy with high football IQ, are not saps and certainly don't like to be lectured to by any other fan base, especially the whiners.

Now, I get the awful feeling you had when we entered the NFCW and proceeded to essentially take over the division, winning it 4x in the 1st 6 years and 9 for 22 over the entire duration with a SB victory. Add the inability of the 9ers to win a SB since the restructure, including the period where we both sat atop the NFC and the hawks essentially b!tch-slapped a Kaepernick led team back into mediocrity.

Now, in the last few years, SF has turned things around and the Hawks declined. I think some whiner fans feel it is their time and have the right to behave like a jackoff. Every families odd cousin who can't help bragging about everthing w/o understanding that his company is not wanted at gatherings.

But hey...its just week 1. Cheers!

If you would have said the Seahawks defensive ranking was X, TO was X etc. I would have stayed out of it. Those are the facts. But to compare to other teams and say you "had the most consistent D" for week one is not true.

If I said the Minnesota Vikings had the more consistent pass offense over the Seattle Seahawks for week one, would you agree? The stats support it. 113.2 passer rating vs 87.2, 208 yds vs 171, 2TD vs 1TD. But they faced the New York Giants!

 

[kidhawk]

You can't even say that for week one though!

Those are week 1 stats. I don’t see an argument against that.

You seem to think that because they are only week 1 they won’t stand up. You can easily be correct. Things will continue to change as the weeks pass by. Better stats don’t mean better team, it’s just a talking point.

 

[LeveeBreak]

If you would have said the Seahawks defensive ranking was X, TO was X etc. I would have stayed out of it. Those are the facts. But to compare to other teams and say you "had the most consistent D" for week one is not true.

If I said the Minnesota Vikings had the more consistent pass offense over the Seattle Seahawks for week one, would you agree? The stats support it. 113.2 passer rating vs 87.2, 208 yds vs 171, 2TD vs 1TD. But they faced the New York Giants!

I say yes, for the NFL, based on the stats. Of course, it is just week 1 and that can all change...which I called out specifically. Personally, I don't think I should have to say that b/c everyone with a decent IQ understands it. I include it b/c I know there are people out there who Nit-Pik the $h!t Out Of Everything. So I add those disclaimers to try and avoid the petty BS.

Based on the stats I posted, the hawks had the most consistently good D of the NFCW in week 1! It's really not up for debate. I did not prognosticate anything in the future...I clearly stated it is only week 1 and more data will provide better understanding.

I see someone who is sitting on top of the hill not wanting to be pushed off and taking offense to anything that can even be slightly perceived as supporting the notion. Good luck with that. IMO, life's too short to worry about the little crap.

 

[DarkVictory23]

If you would have said the Seahawks defensive ranking was X, TO was X etc. I would have stayed out of it. Those are the facts. But to compare to other teams and say you "had the most consistent D" for week one is not true.

If I said the Minnesota Vikings had the more consistent pass offense over the Seattle Seahawks for week one, would you agree? The stats support it. 113.2 passer rating vs 87.2, 208 yds vs 171, 2TD vs 1TD. But they faced the New York Giants!

Well, first of all, it's pretty close to objectively true--he said 'for week 1' and everything pretty much agrees. I don't like volume stats (like most of the ones posted in the OP) as a good comparison and you can't make sweeping generalizations in week 1.

But to the degree we can, yeah, Seahawks defense posted the best game of Week 1 in our division:

Pts Per Drive:

Seahawks #6, Niners #20, Rams #23, Cardinals #30.

Scoring %:

Seahawks #8, Niners #10, Rams #23, Cardinals #27

Defensive DVOA:

Seahawks #1, Niners #8, Rams #19, Cardinals #32


This looks pretty 'consistent' about who had the better defense in our division. Will that stay as the weeks go forward? No idea. But c'mon man, you can't go 'but the Seahawks played the Broncos', who were merely a bad offense last year--and your team played the Jets, who were a TERRIBLE offense last year.

 

[MORGULON]

I usually stay away from the threads just about the Seahawks. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate a dash of reality with your rose coloured tea

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