49ers car crash continues

[Marvin49]

Will Mike Shananhan accept the lowest salary in the NFL? Probably. He's been out of coaching for two seasons, and he did so well with the Redskins.

He won't even commit to an interview in person...classic. I think that is how all the "big fish" coaches will treat the niners as long as Baalke is there.

lol...nice "spin".

Interview was to take place in New York where York will be for owners meetings. Meeting is on hold now. Who knows why and who knows who put the talks on hold.

Of COURSE YOU guys will say its Shanahan who doesn't want to be there because you're Seahawks fans and that's what you do in all things Niner. No Shame.

As a NINER fan you could very easily spin it that they put Shanahan on hold why they try to negotiate for Payton and interview Lynn to satisfy Rooney Rule.

Who knows who's right, but my guess is we'll find out pretty quick here.

BTW...Won't commit to meeting in person? Uh...right. That's why he spilled it to the media he was interested in the job before Tomsula was even fired...and for 2 years in a row now.

I'm gonna laugh when the niners hire Jim Mora. That's the biggest fish they'll be able to land.

We'll see.

 

[Jville]

Although the bubble crowd chronically objects to some of these sources, below is an uncensored list of possible 49er candidates. >>>

Resources: MMQB | Tim Kawakami | Cam Inman

Teryl Austin - Detroit Lions DC
Darrell Bevell - Seattle Seahawks OC
Tom Cable - Seattle Seahawks OL coach
Adam Gase - Chicago Bears OC
Todd Haley - Pittsburgh Steelers OC
Mike Holmgren - unemployed
Hue Jackson - Cincinnati Bengals OC
Chip Kelly - unemployed
Dirk Koetter - Tampa Bay Buccaneers OC
Doug Marrone - Jacksonville Jaguars assistant HC/OL coach
Josh McDaniels - New England Patriots OC
Sean McDermott - Carolina Panthers DC
Jim Mora, Jr. - UCLA HC
Matt Patricia - New England Patriots DC
Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints HC
Jim Schwartz - unemployed
Kyle Shanahan - Atlanta Falcons OC
Mike Shanahan - unemployed
Mike Shula - Carolina Panthers OC

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The worst case scenario would be if their search were hobbled by a fear of rejection. At the very least, the list serves as useful window dressing in an era of historically poor public relations.

 

[Marvin49]

Although the bubble crowd chronically objects to some of these sources, below is an uncensored list of possible 49er candidates. >>>

Resources: MMQB | Tim Kawakami | Cam Inman

Teryl Austin - Detroit Lions DC
Darrell Bevell - Seattle Seahawks OC
Tom Cable - Seattle Seahawks OL coach
Adam Gase - Chicago Bears OC
Todd Haley - Pittsburgh Steelers OC
Mike Holmgren - unemployed
Hue Jackson - Cincinnati Bengals OC
Chip Kelly - unemployed
Dirk Koetter - Tampa Bay Buccaneers OC
Doug Marrone - Jacksonville Jaguars assistant HC/OL coach
Josh McDaniels - New England Patriots OC
Sean McDermott - Carolina Panthers DC
Jim Mora, Jr. - UCLA HC
Matt Patricia - New England Patriots DC
Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints HC
Jim Schwartz - unemployed
Kyle Shanahan - Atlanta Falcons OC
Mike Shanahan - unemployed
Mike Shula - Carolina Panthers OC

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The worst case scenario would be if their search were hobbled by a fear of rejection. At the very least, the list serves as useful window dressing in an era of historically poor public relations.

No issues with King or Inman...

I'd cross Gase off that list. He probably feels burned by the Niners as he was very close to getting the job last year.

I'd also guess they are looking for an experienced offensive coach.

 

[Jville]

I would think the guys in the know would be Harbaugh and Tomsula.

Only they would know which prospects have sought counsel with regards to actual working conditions under York.

 

[Laloosh]

How would Niner fans react to Bevell getting the job?

 

[rideaducati]

How would Niner fans react to Bevell getting the job?

Bevell is too smart to even consider going there.

 

[TheRealDTM]

How would Niner fans react to Bevell getting the job?

Bevell is too smart to even consider going there.

Oh man, how things change on this forum

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Everyone should pay attention to Tim Kawakami.

He'll have the inside scoop.

I noticed that Jim Harbaugh, who actively hates doing any media, made a point of going on Tim's podcast in pre-season to talk about Michigan and the Niners. Tim starts a podcast and his first guest is Harbaugh. What does that tell you?

Clearly the guy is a little more respected in the Bay Area than one or two want you to believe...

Tells it like it is -- Jed York and his minions don't want to hear it. Ditto Marvin and co. They'd rather live in a fantasy land where Sean Payton is a realistic option for the Niners. In reality they'll be left picking through the scraps nobody else wants. Chip Kelly, Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Jim Mora.

Embarrassing. Again.

 

[Laloosh]

How would Niner fans react to Bevell getting the job?

Bevell is too smart to even consider going there.

Oh man, how things change on this forum

I see what you did there.

 

[Scottemojo]

What kept Gase away from SF last year? He would not have real authority.

What will keep the good ones away now? Same thing.

 

[Marvin49]

What kept Gase away from SF last year? He would not have real authority.

What will keep the good ones away now? Same thing.

Power had nothing to do with it with Gase...well not directly anyway.

Rumors (unconfirmed of course) is that the 49ers had all but offered the job to Gase but at the last minute asked that Tomsula be kept on as the DC and Gase balked. It wasn't really negotiable for them so they never offered the job. They then later tried to bring him in as the OC to Tomsula, but he had already been burned at that point.

This is one reason why I never bought into the "they hired Tomsula because he's cheap" scenario. I think they genuinely loved the guy and wanted him to succeed and he failed spectacularly. Now, while Harbaugh got 20 mil for 4 years as HC, Tomsula walks away with 14 for a single season. Wasn't cheap to fire that guy.

Will power be an issue for some candidates? Maybe. I could see that happening. Then again I heard similar issues before Harbaugh was hired. I also heard that the York family and the state of the franchise would prevent that hire.

Who know. Hopefully we'll find out shortly.

 

[Laloosh]

What kept Gase away from SF last year? He would not have real authority.

What will keep the good ones away now? Same thing.

Power had nothing to do with it with Gase...well not directly anyway.

Rumors (unconfirmed of course) is that the 49ers had all but offered the job to Gase but at the last minute asked that Tomsula be kept on as the DC and Gase balked. It wasn't really negotiable for them so they never offered the job. They then later tried to bring him in as the OC to Tomsula, but he had already been burned at that point.

This is one reason why I never bought into the "they hired Tomsula because he's cheap" scenario. I think they genuinely loved the guy and wanted him to succeed and he failed spectacularly. Now, while Harbaugh got 20 mil for 4 years as HC, Tomsula walks away with 14 for a single season. Wasn't cheap to fire that guy.

Will power be an issue for some candidates? Maybe. I could see that happening. Then again I heard similar issues before Harbaugh was hired. I also heard that the York family and the state of the franchise would prevent that hire.

Who know. Hopefully we'll find out shortly.

So, they burned a bridge with Gase to hire a fall guy? You're not doing them any favors, Marvin.

 

[Marvin49]

What kept Gase away from SF last year? He would not have real authority.

What will keep the good ones away now? Same thing.

Power had nothing to do with it with Gase...well not directly anyway.

Rumors (unconfirmed of course) is that the 49ers had all but offered the job to Gase but at the last minute asked that Tomsula be kept on as the DC and Gase balked. It wasn't really negotiable for them so they never offered the job. They then later tried to bring him in as the OC to Tomsula, but he had already been burned at that point.

This is one reason why I never bought into the "they hired Tomsula because he's cheap" scenario. I think they genuinely loved the guy and wanted him to succeed and he failed spectacularly. Now, while Harbaugh got 20 mil for 4 years as HC, Tomsula walks away with 14 for a single season. Wasn't cheap to fire that guy.

Will power be an issue for some candidates? Maybe. I could see that happening. Then again I heard similar issues before Harbaugh was hired. I also heard that the York family and the state of the franchise would prevent that hire.

Who know. Hopefully we'll find out shortly.

So, they burned a bridge with Gase to hire a fall guy? You're not doing them any favors, Marvin.

Wasn't my intention to do them any favors. They screwed up big. They have to own it and move on.

As I've said on multiple occasions, I don't think it was about the money. I think they thought they were making the right move...and IMO, that's WORSE than being cheap.

 

[Scottemojo]

What kept Gase away from SF last year? He would not have real authority.

What will keep the good ones away now? Same thing.

Power had nothing to do with it with Gase...well not directly anyway.

Rumors (unconfirmed of course) is that the 49ers had all but offered the job to Gase but at the last minute asked that Tomsula be kept on as the DC and Gase balked. It wasn't really negotiable for them so they never offered the job. They then later tried to bring him in as the OC to Tomsula, but he had already been burned at that point.

This is one reason why I never bought into the "they hired Tomsula because he's cheap" scenario. I think they genuinely loved the guy and wanted him to succeed and he failed spectacularly. Now, while Harbaugh got 20 mil for 4 years as HC, Tomsula walks away with 14 for a single season. Wasn't cheap to fire that guy.

Will power be an issue for some candidates? Maybe. I could see that happening. Then again I heard similar issues before Harbaugh was hired. I also heard that the York family and the state of the franchise would prevent that hire.

Who know. Hopefully we'll find out shortly.

What part of he would not have real authority and Tomsula would have to be kept on as DC is incongruous for you? That is exactly what I meant.

Trent put a power play on Gase. Did they really want Gase, or did Trent just want a guy who knew the power structure and Gase is the name that balked? Either way, it comes down to one commonality, Trent holds the reins. The coach is a passenger.

And that has not changed.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

'Hey Adam, would you like the job? By the way, Trent's staying and making all the personal decisions and you have to work with our hand-picked defensive coordinator'.

And Marvin is trying to argue it's not about authority.

Spin factor 1000.

 

[Marvin49]

What kept Gase away from SF last year? He would not have real authority.

What will keep the good ones away now? Same thing.

Power had nothing to do with it with Gase...well not directly anyway.

Rumors (unconfirmed of course) is that the 49ers had all but offered the job to Gase but at the last minute asked that Tomsula be kept on as the DC and Gase balked. It wasn't really negotiable for them so they never offered the job. They then later tried to bring him in as the OC to Tomsula, but he had already been burned at that point.

This is one reason why I never bought into the "they hired Tomsula because he's cheap" scenario. I think they genuinely loved the guy and wanted him to succeed and he failed spectacularly. Now, while Harbaugh got 20 mil for 4 years as HC, Tomsula walks away with 14 for a single season. Wasn't cheap to fire that guy.

Will power be an issue for some candidates? Maybe. I could see that happening. Then again I heard similar issues before Harbaugh was hired. I also heard that the York family and the state of the franchise would prevent that hire.

Who know. Hopefully we'll find out shortly.

What part of he would not have real authority and Tomsula would have to be kept on as DC is incongruous for you? That is exactly what I meant.

Trent put a power play on Gase. Did they really want Gase, or did Trent just want a guy who knew the power structure and Gase is the name that balked? Either way, it comes down to one commonality, Trent holds the reins. The coach is a passenger.

And that has not changed.

I don't think it was Trent. I think it was Jed. I don't think Trent was anywhere near as attached to Tomsula as Jed.

No worries tho on authority. I see your point. I just don't view it as much as "we will control you" as "we REALLY want to keep Tomsula, can you do that".

Not a huge difference tho.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^ That's definitely always been the rumor. Even lord and savior Tim Kawakami says that one.

(also supposedly why in Jed's presser this year he made a point to repeat that this year Baalke will have final say and full control over who the coach is, although TBF I don't necessarily think that's actually true)

 

[Marvin49]

^^^ That's definitely always been the rumor. Even lord and savior Tim Kawakami says that one.

(also supposedly why in Jed's presser this year he made a point to repeat that this year Baalke will have final say and full control over who the coach is, although TBF I don't necessarily think that's actually true)

I mean seriously...this fact should say something.

Last year when Harbaugh left, York and Harbaugh signed a contract that termed the separation a mutual parting. Now obviously, the 49ers were in effect firing him. The point here though is that they got Harbaugh to sign a contract that voided the remaining 5 million on his contract. Otherwise the team would be on the hook for it. While portrayed as cowardly because they didn't just come out and say he was fired, they HAD to portray it the way they did to recoupe the money.

This year, with a full 10.5 mill left on Tomsulas contract, they simply axed him. No deal. Tomsula gets his money. Jed repeatedly thanked Tomsula in the Press Conference and referred to him as Jimmy T.

More than any other facts, THAT tells me this was never about money and was really a personality conflict between Harbaugh and York. He wasn't going to give him his money.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin, you really believe any old shit that comes out of Jed and Trent's mouths, don't you? Take the blinkers off man, they're selling you snake oil. That whole organization is a shambles. Back to the basement for another 10 years or so.

Dude...

...what is it I'm "buying" exactly?

Pretty much everything I just said was that I don't think being cheap was the problem. Incompetence was. That's worse.

An owner fired his coach over personal differences and hired his friend. What am I "buying"?

Where have I quoted anything either one of them has said? I'm making comments based on their actions. They aren't complementary.

 

[Popeyejones]

I couldn't make heads or tails of what peaches was referencing (assuming he even knows, of course).