2011 Seahawks misinformation

[BASF]

I have seen a recurring theme from a few posters here giving out misinformation regarding the 2011 Seahawks mostly to put down Pete Carroll and put over Russell Wilson. I don't know where the misinformation is coming from, but here is evidence that the Seahawks did not have the number one scoring defense. They ranked number seven. In yards they were a respectable ninth. It was not some storied defense until our future first ball hall of fame middle linebacker Bobby Wagner took over control of the defense.

The misinformation that we had some really good rushing attack is even worse. We ranked fifteenth in attempts. We were a relatively poor twenty-first in yards. We were tenth in rushing touchdowns, which is not exactly something to hang your hat on. The offense was not very good with Jackson limited to almost always using one side of the field. The fact that we had two rookies on the offensive line and a needing to retire Robert Gallery did not help matters at all.

In the end, it seems as though the misinformation is just to push an agenda, but this site would be better off with the real information being presented.

			Tot					Pass							Rush					Pena						Aver
Player	PF	Yds	Ply	Y/P	TO	FL	1stD	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	NY/A	1stD	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	1stD	Pen	Yds	1stPy	#Dr	Sc%	TO%	Start	Time	Plays	Yds	Pts
Team Stats	321	4861	1003	4.8	23	9	265	299	509	3105	15	14	5.6	153	444	1756	15	4.0	89	138	1047	23	198	27.8	11.6	Own 31.3	2:18	5.22	24.4	1.44
Opp. Stats	315	5315	1049	5.1	31	9	310	324	543	3518	18	22	6.1	174	473	1797	10	3.8	96	96	907	40	196	28.6	14.8	Own 26.8	2:38	5.5	27.1	1.43
Lg Rank Offense	23	28			11	16	30		25	22	28	12	26		15	21	10	25						25	19	2	29	28	30	25
Lg Rank Defense	7	9			5	19	15		19	11	6	4	12		25	15	6	4						27	7	10	21	16	9	4

Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 8/17/2021.

 

[John63]

I have seen a recurring theme from a few posters here giving out misinformation regarding the 2011 Seahawks mostly to put down Pete Carroll and put over Russell Wilson. I don't know where the misinformation is coming from, but here is evidence that the Seahawks did not have the number one scoring defense. They ranked number seven. In yards they were a respectable ninth. It was not some storied defense until our future first ball hall of fame middle linebacker Bobby Wagner took over control of the defense.

The misinformation that we had some really good rushing attack is even worse. We ranked fifteenth in attempts. We were a relatively poor twenty-first in yards. We were tenth in rushing touchdowns, which is not exactly something to hang your hat on. The offense was not very good with Jackson limited to almost always using one side of the field. The fact that we had two rookies on the offensive line and a needing to retire Robert Gallery did not help matters at all.

In the end, it seems as though the misinformation is just to push an agenda, but this site would be better off with the real information being presented.

			Tot					Pass							Rush					Pena						Aver
Player	PF	Yds	Ply	Y/P	TO	FL	1stD	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	NY/A	1stD	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	1stD	Pen	Yds	1stPy	#Dr	Sc%	TO%	Start	Time	Plays	Yds	Pts
Team Stats	321	4861	1003	4.8	23	9	265	299	509	3105	15	14	5.6	153	444	1756	15	4.0	89	138	1047	23	198	27.8	11.6	Own 31.3	2:18	5.22	24.4	1.44
Opp. Stats	315	5315	1049	5.1	31	9	310	324	543	3518	18	22	6.1	174	473	1797	10	3.8	96	96	907	40	196	28.6	14.8	Own 26.8	2:38	5.5	27.1	1.43
Lg Rank Offense	23	28			11	16	30		25	22	28	12	26		15	21	10	25						25	19	2	29	28	30	25
Lg Rank Defense	7	9			5	19	15		19	11	6	4	12		25	15	6	4						27	7	10	21	16	9	4

Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 8/17/2021.

ahh I don't know who you are talking about I said top 1o scoring defense and run game which they had So thanks for showing what we already knew. I mean if the supposed great PC cant do better than 7-9 witt a top 10 defense and run game well I guess as some said not just any QB woudl do would they now, as he had just any Qb. oh and so you knwo the difference between 2011 scoring defense adn 2012 is 4 points, 4 points. that is not much. Also the Hakws offense was scoring more than the defense was giving up in 2011 on avg. This is not about putting PC down as much as factually making it clear that not just any QB would do despite what some here think. The FACT is PC is a sub 500 coach without Wilson and over 600 coach with Wilson. In addition, before anyone says it Wilson without the LOD and a consistent run game is 65%

 

[sdog1981]

The legend of the 2011 team was what the team COULD look like. Chris Clemmons, Earl, Kam, Sherman, Browner and KJ were all key additions and played better as the season went on. The LOB started to look like the LOB. It would take until late 2012 for the defense to look like the defense everyone remembers in 2013 and 2014.

As for 2011 they gave up over 110 yards rushing every game from week 12 onwards. They gave up 416 yards a Rex Grossman led 5-11 WFT.

After 2011 it was clear the team needed a new QB and people were really believing in the PC/JS machine with the players that had been added in two seasons.

 

[John63]

The legend of the 2011 team was what the team COULD look like. Chris Clemmons, Earl, Kam, Sherman, Browner and KJ were all key additions and played better as the season went on. The LOB started to look like the LOB. It would take until late 2012 for the defense to look like the defense everyone remembers in 2013 and 2014.

As for 2011 they gave up over 110 yards rushing every game from week 12 onwards. They gave up 416 yards a Rex Grossman led 5-11 WFT.

After 2011 it was clear the team needed a new QB and people were really believing in the PC/JS machine with the players that had been added in two seasons.

Yes they needed a new Qb but not just any QB a Qb that can run, make big throws and perform magic when needed. Not just any Qb would do. That has been the point of all this. IF you have a top 10 run game and scoring defense you should do better than 7-9.

You want to argue the defense got better I agree but so did the offense and that was due to the QB.

Our Scoring went up almost t6 points and our passing and running yards went up.

So that is the point. this all started on a thread were a few said any Qb would have gotten the Hawks to the Sb and won it. So IF true you would think any QB can get a top 10 run game and top 10 scoring defense to the Sb too or at least the NFC champ game. But they could not. The difference in scoring defense from 2011-2012 is only 4 point, and from 2012 to 2013 1 point. IN that same time frame the offense jumped up scoring wise by 7 points and both the passing and running game jump up in yardage, and before anyone says yeah the run game the jump in run game is directly proportional to the yards form the Qb. 2011 QB rushing 121 yards, 2012 Qb rushing 489 yards, 2013 qb rushing 539 yards. So as I said not just any QB would do, any more than just any RB would do, any CB would do, any MLB would do etc etc.

 

[sdog1981]

The legend of the 2011 team was what the team COULD look like. Chris Clemmons, Earl, Kam, Sherman, Browner and KJ were all key additions and played better as the season went on. The LOB started to look like the LOB. It would take until late 2012 for the defense to look like the defense everyone remembers in 2013 and 2014.

As for 2011 they gave up over 110 yards rushing every game from week 12 onwards. They gave up 416 yards a Rex Grossman led 5-11 WFT.

After 2011 it was clear the team needed a new QB and people were really believing in the PC/JS machine with the players that had been added in two seasons.

Yes they needed a new Qb but not just any QB a Qb that can run, make big throws and perform magic when needed. Not just any Qb would do. That has been the point of all this. IF you have a top 10 run game and scoring defense you should do better than 7-9.

You want to argue the defense got better I agree but so did the offense and that was due to the QB.

Our Scoring went up almost t6 points and our passing and running yards went up.

So that is the point. this all started on a thread were a few said any Qb would have gotten the Hawks to the Sb and won it. So IF true you would think any QB can get a top 10 run game and top 10 scoring defense to the Sb too or at least the NFC champ game. But they could not. The difference in scoring defense from 2011-2012 is only 4 point, and from 2012 to 2013 1 point. IN that same time frame the offense jumped up scoring wise by 7 points and both the passing and running game jump up in yardage, and before anyone says yeah the run game the jump in run game is directly proportional to the yards form the Qb. 2011 QB rushing 121 yards, 2012 Qb rushing 489 yards, 2013 qb rushing 539 yards. So as I said not just any QB would do, any more than just any RB would do, any CB would do, any MLB would do etc etc.

I guess the counterpoint to that would be Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens and Brad Johnson and the 2002 Buccaneers.

Jimmy G got SF to a Superbowl, Joe Flacco won a SB and fell off a cliff.

Aaron Rodgers had teams with both top 10 scoring O and D and lost in the wild card round giving up 51 points

That's one of the funny things about football, sometimes the numbers don't add up and sometimes the right player has to be on the right team.

 

[John63]

The legend of the 2011 team was what the team COULD look like. Chris Clemmons, Earl, Kam, Sherman, Browner and KJ were all key additions and played better as the season went on. The LOB started to look like the LOB. It would take until late 2012 for the defense to look like the defense everyone remembers in 2013 and 2014.

As for 2011 they gave up over 110 yards rushing every game from week 12 onwards. They gave up 416 yards a Rex Grossman led 5-11 WFT.

After 2011 it was clear the team needed a new QB and people were really believing in the PC/JS machine with the players that had been added in two seasons.

Yes they needed a new Qb but not just any QB a Qb that can run, make big throws and perform magic when needed. Not just any Qb would do. That has been the point of all this. IF you have a top 10 run game and scoring defense you should do better than 7-9.

You want to argue the defense got better I agree but so did the offense and that was due to the QB.

Our Scoring went up almost t6 points and our passing and running yards went up.

So that is the point. this all started on a thread were a few said any Qb would have gotten the Hawks to the Sb and won it. So IF true you would think any QB can get a top 10 run game and top 10 scoring defense to the Sb too or at least the NFC champ game. But they could not. The difference in scoring defense from 2011-2012 is only 4 point, and from 2012 to 2013 1 point. IN that same time frame the offense jumped up scoring wise by 7 points and both the passing and running game jump up in yardage, and before anyone says yeah the run game the jump in run game is directly proportional to the yards form the Qb. 2011 QB rushing 121 yards, 2012 Qb rushing 489 yards, 2013 qb rushing 539 yards. So as I said not just any QB would do, any more than just any RB would do, any CB would do, any MLB would do etc etc.

I guess the counterpoint to that would be Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens and Brad Johnson and the 2002 Buccaneers.

Jimmy G got SF to a Superbowl, Joe Flacco won a SB and fell off a cliff.

Aaron Rodgers had teams with both top 10 scoring O and D and lost in the wild card round giving up 51 points

That's one of the funny things about football, sometimes the numbers don't add up and sometimes the right player has to be on the right team.

Actually the point is the Ravens another team top 10 defense and run game and avg at best qb. So why couldn't the 2011 team do.ot? Answer they needed a way better than avg qb. one that could make magic on command that was needed for this team to make it to the SB.

 

[LTH]

The legend of the 2011 team was what the team COULD look like. Chris Clemmons, Earl, Kam, Sherman, Browner and KJ were all key additions and played better as the season went on. The LOB started to look like the LOB. It would take until late 2012 for the defense to look like the defense everyone remembers in 2013 and 2014.

As for 2011 they gave up over 110 yards rushing every game from week 12 onwards. They gave up 416 yards a Rex Grossman led 5-11 WFT.

After 2011 it was clear the team needed a new QB and people were really believing in the PC/JS machine with the players that had been added in two seasons.

Yes they needed a new Qb but not just any QB a Qb that can run, make big throws and perform magic when needed. Not just any Qb would do. That has been the point of all this. IF you have a top 10 run game and scoring defense you should do better than 7-9.

You want to argue the defense got better I agree but so did the offense and that was due to the QB.

Our Scoring went up almost t6 points and our passing and running yards went up.

So that is the point. this all started on a thread were a few said any Qb would have gotten the Hawks to the Sb and won it. So IF true you would think any QB can get a top 10 run game and top 10 scoring defense to the Sb too or at least the NFC champ game. But they could not. The difference in scoring defense from 2011-2012 is only 4 point, and from 2012 to 2013 1 point. IN that same time frame the offense jumped up scoring wise by 7 points and both the passing and running game jump up in yardage, and before anyone says yeah the run game the jump in run game is directly proportional to the yards form the Qb. 2011 QB rushing 121 yards, 2012 Qb rushing 489 yards, 2013 qb rushing 539 yards. So as I said not just any QB would do, any more than just any RB would do, any CB would do, any MLB would do etc etc.

I guess the counterpoint to that would be Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens and Brad Johnson and the 2002 Buccaneers.

Jimmy G got SF to a Superbowl, Joe Flacco won a SB and fell off a cliff.

Aaron Rodgers had teams with both top 10 scoring O and D and lost in the wild card round giving up 51 points

That's one of the funny things about football, sometimes the numbers don't add up and sometimes the right player has to be on the right team.

Thats correct stats are very misleading and usually dont mean a whole lot they are more indicators


LTH

 

[John63]

The legend of the 2011 team was what the team COULD look like. Chris Clemmons, Earl, Kam, Sherman, Browner and KJ were all key additions and played better as the season went on. The LOB started to look like the LOB. It would take until late 2012 for the defense to look like the defense everyone remembers in 2013 and 2014.

As for 2011 they gave up over 110 yards rushing every game from week 12 onwards. They gave up 416 yards a Rex Grossman led 5-11 WFT.

After 2011 it was clear the team needed a new QB and people were really believing in the PC/JS machine with the players that had been added in two seasons.

Yes they needed a new Qb but not just any QB a Qb that can run, make big throws and perform magic when needed. Not just any Qb would do. That has been the point of all this. IF you have a top 10 run game and scoring defense you should do better than 7-9.

You want to argue the defense got better I agree but so did the offense and that was due to the QB.

Our Scoring went up almost t6 points and our passing and running yards went up.

So that is the point. this all started on a thread were a few said any Qb would have gotten the Hawks to the Sb and won it. So IF true you would think any QB can get a top 10 run game and top 10 scoring defense to the Sb too or at least the NFC champ game. But they could not. The difference in scoring defense from 2011-2012 is only 4 point, and from 2012 to 2013 1 point. IN that same time frame the offense jumped up scoring wise by 7 points and both the passing and running game jump up in yardage, and before anyone says yeah the run game the jump in run game is directly proportional to the yards form the Qb. 2011 QB rushing 121 yards, 2012 Qb rushing 489 yards, 2013 qb rushing 539 yards. So as I said not just any QB would do, any more than just any RB would do, any CB would do, any MLB would do etc etc.

I guess the counterpoint to that would be Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens and Brad Johnson and the 2002 Buccaneers.

Jimmy G got SF to a Superbowl, Joe Flacco won a SB and fell off a cliff.

Aaron Rodgers had teams with both top 10 scoring O and D and lost in the wild card round giving up 51 points

That's one of the funny things about football, sometimes the numbers don't add up and sometimes the right player has to be on the right team.

Thats correct stats are very misleading and usually dont mean a whole lot they are more indicators


LTH

Hence, my point from the banging not just any QB would have worked and Wilson was just as responsible for us getting to and winning an SB as the LOB, Lynch or anyone, This whole thins started because the OP in another thread said that Wilson was not needed and just along for the ride, and nothing but a game manager all of which are false. He then tried to come in here to prove his point because alot of people said we had a top 10 scoring defense and run game in 20111 and were 7-9. The examples of other avg Qbs getting a team to the Sb is valid, however you did not say they were along for the ride or anything you gave them credit. The OP and a few others were not giving our QB any credit at all. That is what started this. He took it to another thread hoping no one would remind everyone what started this. Now as to stats not meaning anything, okay then I guess that stats of who scored more points does not matter. Stats matter in that they can show you how a team or player performed. It is not always an indicator of wins and losses that is true.

 

[BASF]

To me, Russ has to make it past the divisional round without the LOB to be considered the goat.

The LOB was in place before Russell Wilson became a Seahawk. What did they do in the playoffs pre-Wilson?

They went 7-9, missed the playoffs w/Beast Mode in his prime, and the #1 scoring defense in the NFL.

This is the actual post that was the impetus of this thread. Not someone who is on my foe list. Others have made statements close to what fade said in this previous thread, so I thought someone should post the truth here.

 

[John63]

To me, Russ has to make it past the divisional round without the LOB to be considered the goat.

The LOB was in place before Russell Wilson became a Seahawk. What did they do in the playoffs pre-Wilson?

They went 7-9, missed the playoffs w/Beast Mode in his prime, and the #1 scoring defense in the NFL.

This is the actual post that was the impetus of this thread. Not someone who is on my foe list. Others have made statements close to what fade said in this previous thread, so I thought someone should post the truth here.

Ahh okay ly not in his prime and a top 10 scoring defense. And still 7-9. The point still stands. Contrary to what some say Wilson was just as important to getting to and winning the sb as LOB or Lynch. And in fact it was the LOB that cost us a chance to go to the sb in 2012.