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[suppaball]

Russ Wilson is still a guy that can drive down field in the 4th for a go-ahead score as well as anybody.

Sorry he doesn't put up fantasy points, but I live in reality. I know that if we're close in the 4th, Russ is a guy that can get it done.

:2thumbs:

aside from a couple games Russ will get you 20-50 a game. I have had him in my keeper league senses day one.

 

[bmorepunk]

Russ is worth 30 million a year because he can go 14-17 for 250 and 3 TDs

And..

He can throw 35 times for 350 and 4 tds... as he has in the past. Hes already proved he can throw with the best qbs in the modern nfl.

Today they needed him to throw 17 times

You can argue whether you want to pay 30 year old Russ that much for thst kind of balance... but if you choose to go the other way the team better have the right qb in mind to replace him.

And he can escape sacks like few (if anybody else) and he did that today. And he can ball out in the fourth quarter like few others. And he can recover bad or bobbled snaps and turn them into first downs and touchdowns instead of turnovers. And he can throw an insane deep ball with touch. And he rarely makes really stupid decisions. And most importantly, he's a winner, dude has intangibles off the chart.

I'm really interested to hear about who these other QBs we can get that can do some or all of these things at a cut rate. Because when it comes to contract time, all the guys I can think of that do Wilson things are getting paid at the top rate.

Kirk Cousins' cap hit is nearly $30 million next year, and so is Staffords'. Matt Ryan's is in two years. The league is full of dudes making $20 million - $30 million in the next few years, and only a few of them are in Wilson's class or better. Sure, you can get a Tyrod Taylor or Case Keenum for half or 2/3rds the price, but those guys are not Russell Wilson. They're not even really NFL starters.

The guy isn't perfect, but the probability that this offense is going to do just as well if not better without him behind center is stupid low. I don't like that QBs eat up so much of the cap, but when you have someone like Wilson you have to pay them the going rate. It could be a decade or two before you find someone that valuable.

 

[MD5eahawks]

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

You're right, other QBs have run this offense. Chad Pennington, Favre, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Kellen Clemens, and Austin Davis to name most. Only one of those broke a 90 rating. Bradford in 2013. A 90.9. The next highest was 86.1 from Pennington in 2007. We should exclude Favre and his one year 'I-just-want-to-play-for-a-year-til-I-can-play-for-the-Vikes'

Do you seriously want one of those type QBs because they would be cheaper?

None of those would take this team to the playoffs.

 

[bmorepunk]

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

You're right, other QBs have run this offense. Chad Pennington, Favre, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Kellen Clemens, and Austin Davis to name most. Only one of those broke a 90 rating. Bradford in 2013. A 90.9. The next highest was 86.1 from Pennington in 2007. We should exclude Favre and his one year 'I-just-want-to-play-for-a-year-til-I-can-play-for-the-Vikes'

Do you seriously want one of those type QBs because they would be cheaper?

None of those would take this team to the playoffs.

The problem is that people see some first contract QBs tearing it up, then think it's easy to get one of those guys. You're not getting a cheap winner in free agency. The Seahawks got lucky with Wilson, and those other teams got lucky with the players they got. But that's very few teams.

 

[IndyHawk]

That is statistically a perfect game for a QB. I’m sorry for the haters but game managers don’t enter the 7th game of the season with a 104.8 QB rating and then put up a perfect rating. Game managers are lucky if they have a QB rating around 80-85. Game managers don’t hover around 100 QB rating after 6 1/2 years in the league.

Most people don't have much a problem with Wilson. What they have a problem with is a 30 million dollar QB that only throws the ball 16 times a game. Can he do more? Absolutely. That being said, if we're going to be paying a QB, the return on investment is extremely low for an offense that only is passing the ball around 45% of the time. We also don't want Carroll feeling forced to hand Wilson the ball either, because that is when we get wacky schemes.

Oh my goodness give it a rest. You guys rip him when he struggles. Rip him when he runs for his life. Now that he’s throwing efficiently you’re ripping him for not throwing enough.

And to that point, that is with all due respect lazy analysis. We are a run first team. But you know why teams can’t stack the box with 8-9 defenders consistently? Russell Wilson

You know why defenses have to assign one LB to spy and respect the read option? Russell Wilson. In other words, because of Russ that’s one less defender our offense has to worry about.

This team is still structured around Wilson. Teams have to game plan and can’t focus on stopping our running game. Because we have a top 5 QB. It’s a similar dilemma to what teams had to deal with last year with the Saints. How do you stop a running game when Brees can throw it over the top. As with us, how do you stop a running game when Russell can run it, throw it in tight spaces, and audible into better running/passing plays at the line. Our QB is worth every penny :177692:

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

He is an Elite Game Manager..This suits him really well which we all saw today.
However is he worth 30+million?Nobody in the game today is..All that does is cost you
Championships due to a weak overall team..The new powerhouse will be a team that refuses
to pay any position past a certain amount to have a strong team in all phases that beats
a couple of overpriced wows.

 

[DomeHawk]

Don't know what he's worth, that's for others to decide, but I know we are nothing without him.

 

[MD5eahawks]

Did I miss something? He's not getting $30 million a year is he? I can understand the argument but why now? The entire argument is about something that hasn't happened.

 

[Cartire]

That is statistically a perfect game for a QB. I’m sorry for the haters but game managers don’t enter the 7th game of the season with a 104.8 QB rating and then put up a perfect rating. Game managers are lucky if they have a QB rating around 80-85. Game managers don’t hover around 100 QB rating after 6 1/2 years in the league.

Most people don't have much a problem with Wilson. What they have a problem with is a 30 million dollar QB that only throws the ball 16 times a game. Can he do more? Absolutely. That being said, if we're going to be paying a QB, the return on investment is extremely low for an offense that only is passing the ball around 45% of the time. We also don't want Carroll feeling forced to hand Wilson the ball either, because that is when we get wacky schemes.

Oh my goodness give it a rest. You guys rip him when he struggles. Rip him when he runs for his life. Now that he’s throwing efficiently you’re ripping him for not throwing enough.

And to that point, that is with all due respect lazy analysis. We are a run first team. But you know why teams can’t stack the box with 8-9 defenders consistently? Russell Wilson

You know why defenses have to assign one LB to spy and respect the read option? Russell Wilson. In other words, because of Russ that’s one less defender our offense has to worry about.

This team is still structured around Wilson. Teams have to game plan and can’t focus on stopping our running game. Because we have a top 5 QB. It’s a similar dilemma to what teams had to deal with last year with the Saints. How do you stop a running game when Brees can throw it over the top. As with us, how do you stop a running game when Russell can run it, throw it in tight spaces, and audible into better running/passing plays at the line. Our QB is worth every penny :177692:

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

Would it help if you didnt think of it as $30 million? When Russ earned the Y/A $22million on his first contract, the Salary Cap was $143M. The 2019 Salary is estimated to be $187M.

His current contract has been relatively 15% of the cap.
If he gets $30 next year, it will be 16%.

Are we really quibbling over 1%? The guy has proven for almost 7 years he's a winner. He's our QB.

 

[strohmin]

Lets put things into perspective, the running game is the 2nd best in the league the past 3 weeks. The defense has been playing exceptionally well giving second chance opportunities. His O-line is playing much better and his receivers are actually making plays when he trusts them. Russ is playing much better but lets not act like Russ is carrying this team on his shoulders.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

I like the vision I'm seeing from Russ at the LOS. He's made some great audibles and play calls at the line. His decision making has been very good. To hell with the naysayers. Go Russ! Thank god Cabevell is gone.

 

[chris98251]

That is statistically a perfect game for a QB. I’m sorry for the haters but game managers don’t enter the 7th game of the season with a 104.8 QB rating and then put up a perfect rating. Game managers are lucky if they have a QB rating around 80-85. Game managers don’t hover around 100 QB rating after 6 1/2 years in the league.

Most people don't have much a problem with Wilson. What they have a problem with is a 30 million dollar QB that only throws the ball 16 times a game. Can he do more? Absolutely. That being said, if we're going to be paying a QB, the return on investment is extremely low for an offense that only is passing the ball around 45% of the time. We also don't want Carroll feeling forced to hand Wilson the ball either, because that is when we get wacky schemes.

Usually a QB has a lot of passing yards due to no running game or being behind and needing to play catch up.

We had the lead and a running game today. Yet he was very efficiant is his throws and got the most out of them, thats what you pay for, not 350 yards and losses.

 

[seahawkfreak]

Definitely too fat, definitely.

 

[sutz]

Did I miss something? He's not getting $30 million a year is he? I can understand the argument but why now? The entire argument is about something that hasn't happened.

He's not getting that now, but he's up for a new deal in a year or so, and the current market is around $30 mill per.

They're talking about whether he's worth re-signing at the market rate. That's a valid question in and of itself, but at least part of the answer has to take intangibles into account, too.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

He's not just being paid for his passing, but for his incredible mobility and pocket presence and threat he presents out there every time he takes a snap, even if it's a running play. The dollars-over-passes ratio argument is a flaccid fallacy.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hockey Guy]

Did I miss something? He's not getting $30 million a year is he? I can understand the argument but why now? The entire argument is about something that hasn't happened.

I was reading the thread to see if anybody had brought up this FACT yet. We need to maybe worry about it when it actually happens but, until then, he's a bargain which is kinda funny to hear myself say.

 

[Scorpion05]

That is statistically a perfect game for a QB. I’m sorry for the haters but game managers don’t enter the 7th game of the season with a 104.8 QB rating and then put up a perfect rating. Game managers are lucky if they have a QB rating around 80-85. Game managers don’t hover around 100 QB rating after 6 1/2 years in the league.

Most people don't have much a problem with Wilson. What they have a problem with is a 30 million dollar QB that only throws the ball 16 times a game. Can he do more? Absolutely. That being said, if we're going to be paying a QB, the return on investment is extremely low for an offense that only is passing the ball around 45% of the time. We also don't want Carroll feeling forced to hand Wilson the ball either, because that is when we get wacky schemes.

Oh my goodness give it a rest. You guys rip him when he struggles. Rip him when he runs for his life. Now that he’s throwing efficiently you’re ripping him for not throwing enough.

And to that point, that is with all due respect lazy analysis. We are a run first team. But you know why teams can’t stack the box with 8-9 defenders consistently? Russell Wilson

You know why defenses have to assign one LB to spy and respect the read option? Russell Wilson. In other words, because of Russ that’s one less defender our offense has to worry about.

This team is still structured around Wilson. Teams have to game plan and can’t focus on stopping our running game. Because we have a top 5 QB. It’s a similar dilemma to what teams had to deal with last year with the Saints. How do you stop a running game when Brees can throw it over the top. As with us, how do you stop a running game when Russell can run it, throw it in tight spaces, and audible into better running/passing plays at the line. Our QB is worth every penny :177692:

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

You can be as sorry as you want. It's still a ridiculously deluded opinion rooted very little in football knowledge. Sorry, but thinking we can get Russ' production off the street simply highlights the fact that you are incapable of judging him fairly. Which is what most of us have argued on this board. If you can't even have a reasonable opinion when we're winning then I'm not sure what else there is to say

Russell has been extremely efficient. In basketball, a player who shoots efficiently and finishes the game with 10 assists is more valuable than a player who gets more points but took 3x as many shots. The same concept applies to a QB. Russell is making efficient, accurate, tight window throws and his yards per attempt in recent games is off the charts. If you want a dink and dunker who throws the ball 40 times with less efficiency, go ahead. But don't get upset if people question your football knowledge as a result. No sane person can look at Russ' recent performances and come to your conclusion that he's not worth the money. That is lunacy, and no position determines wins and losses more than the Quarterback

 

[semiahmoo]

That is statistically a perfect game for a QB. I’m sorry for the haters but game managers don’t enter the 7th game of the season with a 104.8 QB rating and then put up a perfect rating. Game managers are lucky if they have a QB rating around 80-85. Game managers don’t hover around 100 QB rating after 6 1/2 years in the league.

He is playing very well right now.

I think the "game manager" tag is taken too negative by some.

RW is managing the offense at a level right now few QB's in the league could match.

He's not a pocket passing star, but when given a decent/good O-Line and running game he can ball in this league very well as this most recent performance shows.

If he helps us to get into the playoffs, which I thought would be impossible going into the season, I'm happy to admit I've been too critical of Russ at times.

The guy can ball.

 

[TreeRon]

Tiny hands er that's that other guy. Similar build, so easy to get them confused.

 

[doso]

That is statistically a perfect game for a QB. I’m sorry for the haters but game managers don’t enter the 7th game of the season with a 104.8 QB rating and then put up a perfect rating. Game managers are lucky if they have a QB rating around 80-85. Game managers don’t hover around 100 QB rating after 6 1/2 years in the league.

Most people don't have much a problem with Wilson. What they have a problem with is a 30 million dollar QB that only throws the ball 16 times a game. Can he do more? Absolutely. That being said, if we're going to be paying a QB, the return on investment is extremely low for an offense that only is passing the ball around 45% of the time. We also don't want Carroll feeling forced to hand Wilson the ball either, because that is when we get wacky schemes.

Oh my goodness give it a rest. You guys rip him when he struggles. Rip him when he runs for his life. Now that he’s throwing efficiently you’re ripping him for not throwing enough.

And to that point, that is with all due respect lazy analysis. We are a run first team. But you know why teams can’t stack the box with 8-9 defenders consistently? Russell Wilson

You know why defenses have to assign one LB to spy and respect the read option? Russell Wilson. In other words, because of Russ that’s one less defender our offense has to worry about.

This team is still structured around Wilson. Teams have to game plan and can’t focus on stopping our running game. Because we have a top 5 QB. It’s a similar dilemma to what teams had to deal with last year with the Saints. How do you stop a running game when Brees can throw it over the top. As with us, how do you stop a running game when Russell can run it, throw it in tight spaces, and audible into better running/passing plays at the line. Our QB is worth every penny :177692:

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

Okay let Russ walk. Who did you want to pick up to replace him? I’m sure Russ will get 30M somewhere else real quick.

 

[semiahmoo]

Most people don't have much a problem with Wilson. What they have a problem with is a 30 million dollar QB that only throws the ball 16 times a game. Can he do more? Absolutely. That being said, if we're going to be paying a QB, the return on investment is extremely low for an offense that only is passing the ball around 45% of the time. We also don't want Carroll feeling forced to hand Wilson the ball either, because that is when we get wacky schemes.

Oh my goodness give it a rest. You guys rip him when he struggles. Rip him when he runs for his life. Now that he’s throwing efficiently you’re ripping him for not throwing enough.

And to that point, that is with all due respect lazy analysis. We are a run first team. But you know why teams can’t stack the box with 8-9 defenders consistently? Russell Wilson

You know why defenses have to assign one LB to spy and respect the read option? Russell Wilson. In other words, because of Russ that’s one less defender our offense has to worry about.

This team is still structured around Wilson. Teams have to game plan and can’t focus on stopping our running game. Because we have a top 5 QB. It’s a similar dilemma to what teams had to deal with last year with the Saints. How do you stop a running game when Brees can throw it over the top. As with us, how do you stop a running game when Russell can run it, throw it in tight spaces, and audible into better running/passing plays at the line. Our QB is worth every penny :177692:

Russ is not worth 30 million dollars, I'm sorry. Especially not in this style of offense. There are other QB's that could run this style. Sure, they wouldn't post the same numbers, but they could get the job done.

Okay let Russ walk. Who did you want to pick up to replace him? I’m sure Russ will get 30M somewhere else real quick.

The question of Russ's next big contract is legit and posters should not be so quick to attack those who bring it up. The team is playing well, Russ is playing great.

We should enjoy it now, especially in honor of the great Paul Allen, and then when it's contract time, see how things shake out.

GO HAWKS!