With their first round pick the Seahawks select….

It doesn't matter who we pick at 18 or anywhere else for that matter...because the damn networks ALWAYS cut to commercial when the Seahawks pick...

.....A football player

We are going defense with the first pick. BOOK IT. The only way we go offense is if we trade up because a blue chipper like Tyler Warren is within striking distance, and therefore we wouldn't have to give up too much in a trade up. If we stay put, it'll be defense.

There was an article on Field Gulls about trading down.

Please…no. Quality over quantity when you already have 10 damn picks.

GemCity said:

There was an article on Field Gulls about trading down.

Please…no. Quality over quantity when you already have 10 damn picks.

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Watch Griff, Hawkblogger and Rob.
You don't want their picks trust me.

GemCity said:

There was an article on Field Gulls about trading down.

Please…no. Quality over quantity when you already have 10 damn picks.

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if we could add another 2nd round pick by trading down, along with wherever that team was picking in the 1st, it would be worth it as there are a lot of good fits for us between the 20-60 range, whereas at 18 we're hoping for a few players to fall for quality.

Can def. see both sides of it. Stay at 18, esp. since you have 10 picks. But also, if a team is desperate to move up, you listen.

You pick the probowler at 18. You only get so many bites at the apple. It's a defensive head coach. A lineman could take 3 years to show. We are in win now mode. Let the qb run for his life cause some of the guys we have in the oline are still growing.

I'm hoping O Line, but we all know how much JS loves to draft Defense. Build those trenches. If they go D Line, make sure one of those 2nd round picks is an interior O Lineman.

I am hoping that they take an OL such and Banks or Simmons (Campbell and Membou will be gone). We aren't good enough to win now and our OL is not good. Invest a couple of years into being mediocre and fix the trenches.

hieroglyphics said:

if we could add another 2nd round pick by trading down, along with wherever that team was picking in the 1st, it would be worth it as there are a lot of good fits for us between the 20-60 range, whereas at 18 we're hoping for a few players to fall for quality.

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Getting another second seems very unlikely unless it's a team with two and we're trading out of the first round entirely. You're not getting that for trading down from like 18 to 25 in this draft.

I see John as a Benihana Chef who is working with a cheap set of steak knives at this point.
Here is the deal, take it or leave it

Picking at #18 there will be 2, 3 or 4 IOL that will have a 60% chance of being a plug & play starter as a rookie and a solid+ starter as long as you keep them under contract.
If you wait until #50, 52 those options you had at 18 will be gone and those 32 picks later guys will have more of a 35% chance of being a starter out the gate.
By #82 in the 3rd its probably 25% at best and right in that sweet spot that John usually drafts IOL.
I think with our offensive line having been such a serious problem for such an extended period of time, it not only warrants taking OL at 18, its essential to do so.

Please save the best available player crap, you're just one of those guys who loves to go to Benihana several times a year.
I bet you'd love to see John chop-up a pile of WR or TE beef & veggies with a flourish and top it off with a little cloud of steam.

It's time to go to the best steakhouse in town or maybe a Brazilian steakhouse.
It's time to go rare.

Sadly John's probably taking us to Golden Corral and I wouldn't rule out an Impossible Burger at Burger King.

How I've learned to hate draft day, it's like a strong Thai fish sauce taste that I can't get out of my mouth.

James in PA said:

We are going defense with the first pick. BOOK IT. The only way we go offense is if we trade up because a blue chipper like Tyler Warren is within striking distance, and therefore we wouldn't have to give up too much in a trade up. If we stay put, it'll be defense.

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Interesting because I think the defense is set for the most part.

I would be shocked if they ignore offense in round 1. Now, if there is a run on offensive players which causes defensive players to free fall again then I can see JS going defense again for pure value and BAP.

My guess is Mike has his eye on at least one defensive player that would further elevate his defense... and for that reason, I see Mike using his top pick on his D... justifying the decision with a ... "you don't draft offensive linemen in Round One"... mentality.

JMG (Just my Gut)

I think one exercise we can do to spice this up is what 2 round combo would you prefer? Or come up with your own. A lot of times teams actually weigh this as they pick. We all want the BPA at all times but sometimes it's about the best combo of players. Some examples below:

Combo 1: T. Booker/D. Alexander/J. Bech

Combo 2: G. Zabel/J. Higgins/T. Robinson

Combo 3: K. Grant/T. Ratledge/H. Fannin

Combo 4: D. Harmon/J. Wilson/K. Williams

Combo 5: N. Emmanwori/D. Jackson/J. Wilson

I am leaning more towards Mykel Williams now, but I want Jalon Walker.

Rat said:

Getting another second seems very unlikely unless it's a team with two and we're trading out of the first round entirely. You're not getting that for trading down from like 18 to 25 in this draft.

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We could do pick swaps out of the 3rd to include a deal, anything is possible. All I'm saying is that the 20-60 range is where we want to be, if we could add one more pick in that area with a trade down to get to 4 picks in that zone, we'd be in great shape for next season. Theres a lot of talent in the positions we need in that zone.

All the discussion of whether the draft is a "crap shoot" or not.. There is a lot of impact from the organization starting the day after the draft. How is a rookie coached and how does the team provide player leadership? Sure some teams draft better but I think a large amount of that is that the organization has a program to integrate the rookies into an atmosphere that provides them the best chance to succeed. Sure it's a combination, but ONewsome isn't as good a GM with JHarbaugh as HeadCoach. The early PC/JS years don't work without the symbiosis they had together and with the player-leaders. It's not just hitting on picks.

Additionally, I think BMurhpy walked into a first year Head Coach and lots of other chaos because the OC was coloring outside the lines. I think BMurphy is a hit, not a miss. ...not just Murphy but all the rookies and even some other younger players. My belief is that MMac's 2nd year, with a competent OC and a year to build a culture and process, will see a positive step change in younger player impact, including draft picks.

To the direct point of the thread, I read the article back on the 2nd page suggesting a trade back. I hadn't realized that in each of those situations, the players eventually taken were pretty "meh" to me. Irvin was the best player, but he never really impressed... to me... like a huge difference maker. That's chicken-egg: did the the trade-backs result in players or JS not being sold on any available players at the original position result in the trade-back? dunno. Regardless, I hope there's a player he loves and takes because I think the organization has improved immensely and there's a reasonable chance that player is a difference maker in year 1.

Kelvin Banks is probably an automatic pick if he lasts to 18. I'd much prefer him to Grey Zabel.