JSN on Shane Waldron

Maelstrom787 said:

Only a few things really stayed the same forever. I mean, we can point to the evolution of early down passing tendencies, passing frequency in neutral situations, the evolution of their average depth of target under different coordinators, and the frequency of screen passes for a few key indicators of a different approach to passing.

I know a lot of people will point to the predisposition to go routes, but that's league wide. Most common route there is, just a streak. We can't even point to a consistent lack of tight end usage because Zach Miller and Jimmy Graham existed here.

I dunno, man. I don't see it.

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90% of the time over the past decade, we ran very simplistic offensive formations and route trees in terms of what we actually did on the field. Sure, there were variances to it, but that stuff is essentially irrelevant because it was consistently basic, predictable, and made the job of the opposing defenses easier. If you don't see that, then IMO, reconsider how you interpret what you've seen over the past decade. Let me put it another way - we may have been trying different math equations, but 90% of them came from 3rd-grade math books.

cymatica said:

Looks like he had to keep himself from saying what he really thought

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Yeah, JSN is still officially a rookie until next training camp, it looks like he is just trying to think what the professional and somewhat truthful thing to say here is. It did take until mid-season for Geno to start finding JSN with any regularity. It could also have been JSN's problem adjusting to the speed of the NFL game and the nuances of the Seahawks offense, knowing where to be in various situations. Also could have been Waldron not understanding JSN's game enough to put him in the situations where he wins. Wouldn't be surprised if JSN is still mentally reviewing and sorting it all out, and will clarify things in his mind after working with next OC.

Probably some combination of all of the above, plus other factors. That said, JSN seemed to "get it" and be more regularly targeted the second half of the season. That game-winning, back-half of the ball TD catch vs Philly was sure a thing of beauty. Hoping for great stuff from JSN next season.

The coverage of this incident makes me wonder if we're approaching an even lower low in sports journalism. Every headline is a variation of "JSN's [Awkward, Weird, Telling, Shade-throwing] response to question about Shane Waldron." Meanwhile, it looks like the kid couldn't think of what to say for a moment before giving a thoughtful answer. Ten years ago, this is a complete non-story. But things are so bad that this tabloid-level coverage is considered newsworthy.

Society is doomed.

SoulfishHawk said:

Not bold at all. The way they used him much of the season was a joke.

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He had 93 targets, over 600 yards receiving, and 4 TD's as a rookie #3. Not sure how much more you were expecting. What the hell do I know though. I think Bobo should be our starting #1. LOL

That's pretty funny. But after a 3rd watch through, as well as thinking back on some other JSN interviews/recorded speaking clips, it looks more like a kid that just took a second to gather his thoughts and convey them with "diplomacy". It likely is a combo down the middle of the two polar interpretations.

One thing's for sure; Jaxon won't be picked to do any public speaking on the team's behalf, and he could probably use a year of Toastmasters.

I love the kid Jaxon, or "Jiggy Boy" as my son calls him, though, and I hope he becomes an absolute BEAST for DCs to game plan for for the next decade+

I don’t think he was trying to be disrespectful. Maybe gathering his thoughts? I wouldn’t blame him if he was taking a dig at him though…

He’s easily capable of 1000+ yards and I still think he will be the best receiver on this team in the very near future.

Yes, he had decent numbers for a rookie…but he’s far from being satisfied.

He was underutilized. Hopefully, the new OC will prove that statement to be true within the first few games of next season.

The kid is a phenom.

pittpnthrs said:

He had 93 targets, over 600 yards receiving, and 4 TD's as a rookie #3. Not sure how much more you were expecting. What the hell do I know though. I think Bobo should be our starting #1. LOL

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5-6 targets a game should be more like 10-12

Cyrus12 said:

Jsn was so under utilized...he should really say what he thinks...

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With Dk and Locket there are just too many options in our offense. You could say the same thing about the TEs.

Lords of Scythia said:

With Dk and Locket there are just too many options in our offense. You could say the same thing about the TEs.

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And somehow none of them seemed to be utilized like they should have been..

GemCity said:

5-6 targets a game should be more like 10-12

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Not enough balls to go around. #3's don't usually get 10-12 passes a game.

pittpnthrs said:

Not enough balls to go around. #3's don't usually get 10-12 passes a game.

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I think he’ll be #1 soon enough. I know what you’re saying…and agree with some of it.

Just saying…the guy has potential to be a top tier receiver.

Cyrus12 said:

He must of been pissed when he saw how Nacua and Dell were being used...

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If the Rams had 2 top 40 WRs who had prior history with the QB then Nacua might not have seen much early playing time. Much of it is down to how circumstances play out. Injuries could have pushed Smith-Njigba into an prominent early role. 'Fortunately' they didn't. No disrespect to any Seahawks player is intended.

pittpnthrs said:

Never said he complained about it or threw tantrums like the other receiver on the team, just said he probably thinks he should have gotten the ball a lot more just like every other receiver in the league. Seriously, does anybody really think the offense was the real problem for Seattle? The red zone offense was a joke yes, but how much of that was because they couldn't run the ball? How much was due to the QB? How much was it Waldron? Lot of variables to consider.

Just seems to me that JSN believes Waldron should have looked his way a lot more and that's bold coming from a rookie #3. Just my opinion.

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You're making a lot of assumptions here off of a short clip like that.

Lets assume he really didn't like waldron (I didn't either), how do you know he thought the answer was that he personally needed the ball more?

Maybe geno and him fought during the season, maybe some hot girl walked behind the camera and he lost his train of thought, maybe he was holding back tears he's gone and was trying to play it down, maybe it's what you said.

My point is, I don't know how you can watch that 7 second clip and jump straight to "he must dislike waldron because he wanted the ball more, he should shut up and be carrying locketts bag, 3rd wr rook."

Maybe I'm missing context or something since I can probably count how many times I've heard him talk on one hand, but otherwise I don't know why your first thought would be to judge him, when the guy he's apparently upset with or whatever was very intentionally let go from the team and didn't exactly have a line of suitors waiting for a shot. Maybe nobody on the team liked him and he's following the leaders.

I hope you're not right at least, because it'd be pretty weird to bag the OC because he didn't get looks, but not the guy throwing the ball....wouldn't particularly bode well for this year.

A lot of talk about Jaxson not getting targeted early in the year....

He went down week one of his junior year, he tried the next two games and barely saw the field the next 2 games before he it was shut down.

So he affectively went into this year not having played since the end of the 2021 season.

Make of that what you will in either jsn or waldron defense, just wanted to point out the dude started 13

flv2 said:

If the Rams had 2 top 40 WRs who had prior history with the QB then Nacua might not have seen much early playing time. Much of it is down to how circumstances play out. Injuries could have pushed Smith-Njigba into an prominent early role. 'Fortunately' they didn't. No disrespect to any Seahawks player is intended.

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So in other words you're saying, "For JSNs sake, Tyler, go break a leg!"
Tyler: "No thanks, been there, done that, did the rehab!"

(Recall when Tyler DID break his leg on a TD catch years ago)

bigcc said:

You're making a lot of assumptions here off of a short clip like that.

Lets assume he really didn't like waldron (I didn't either), how do you know he thought the answer was that he personally needed the ball more?

Maybe geno and him fought during the season, maybe some hot girl walked behind the camera and he lost his train of thought, maybe he was holding back tears he's gone and was trying to play it down, maybe it's what you said.

My point is, I don't know how you can watch that 7 second clip and jump straight to "he must dislike waldron because he wanted the ball more, he should shut up and be carrying locketts bag, 3rd wr rook."

Maybe I'm missing context or something since I can probably count how many times I've heard him talk on one hand, but otherwise I don't know why your first thought would be to judge him, when the guy he's apparently upset with or whatever was very intentionally let go from the team and didn't exactly have a line of suitors waiting for a shot. Maybe nobody on the team liked him and he's following the leaders.

I hope you're not right at least, because it'd be pretty weird to bag the OC because he didn't get looks, but not the guy throwing the ball....wouldn't particularly bode well for this year.

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Yes, it's assumptions, but isn't that what everybody in this thread is doing? How many posters thought it was a slight towards Waldron and that JSN disliked him? Seems to be a lot of them. None of us has a definitive answer. Assuming is all we can do.

toffee said:

Well, Waldron can show his true color next season, so could JSN.

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We are pretty optimistic about Waldron over here in Bears world. I know for sure he can’t be as bad as Getsy!

pittpnthrs said:

Yes, it's assumptions, but isn't that what everybody in this thread is doing? How many posters thought it was a slight towards Waldron and that JSN disliked him? Seems to be a lot of them. None of us has a definitive answer. Assuming is all we can do.

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Honestly the video does seem kind of like a slight at first glance, even re-watching it, I don't know if it was, but I certainly understand why people think it was, regardless of whether it's fair or not.

But moving from that to "he probably wanted the ball more and is just another entitled wr despite being a rookie #3" seemed way over the top a leap to make for a quick video clip lol.

But again, I don't know much about the guy.... quick Google search shows Todd Mcshay quite literally saying he's heard from scouts that in the 2023 season that JSN was probably healthy enough to play in the playoffs, but ducked to preserve his draft stock.

So maybe there's something there about his character I'm unaware of, just seemed like a leap.

Bear-Hawk said:

We are pretty optimistic about Waldron over here in Bears world. I know for sure he can’t be as bad as Getsy!

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At the very least he didn't make geno look like old geno so there's that.

Lock still sucked but he was a lost cause from the get go.