DT Dexter Lawrence requests trade

[MORGULON]

Everyone has opinions. If the Bengals want to massively overpay in a trade then good for them. Personally I wouldn't trade for Lawrence's current contract for more than a 5th round pick, (with the expectation that he wants a new deal). Some Seahawks fans wouldn't want him at zero trade cost even if he would play on his current contract. Lawrence isn't a player i'd take a massive risk for.

The Bengals management makes me really appreciate John Schneider.

I'd take any of the front offices in our division, including Arizona over the nightmare in Cincinnati

 

[Trackhawk]

Imagine being unhappy playing for the Giants org, but then you get traded to Cinci. Ouch

 

[MORGULON]

Imagine being unhappy playing for the Giants org, but then you get traded to Cinci. Ouch

Cincinnati and Cleveland... The cradle of modern football.

 

[Hawkinaz]

Seems like an overpay to me... just sayin'.

Initially I thought the same thing but thought in this years weaker draft what would the #10 pick get you? Giants were lucky to get a 1st rd pick let alone a top 10

Lawrence is 28 and is approaching the twilight of his career, 340 lb DTs don’t age well. I was expecting a 2nd-3rd pick considering he is a potential contract holdout

 

[Dallashawksfan]

Everyone has opinions. If the Bengals want to massively overpay in a trade then good for them. Personally I wouldn't trade for Lawrence's current contract for more than a 5th round pick, (with the expectation that he wants a new deal). Some Seahawks fans wouldn't want him at zero trade cost even if he would play on his current contract. Lawrence isn't a player i'd take a massive risk for.

That’s just your opinion which is ok

But that’s not his value

His value is what a NFL team is willing to pay. It’s a lot more than what you think.

 

[flv2]

The Bengals management makes me really appreciate John Schneider.

I'd take any of the front offices in our division, including Arizona over the nightmare in Cincinnati

The Bengals, Browns, and Jets seem to take it in turns.

 

[flv2]

That’s just your opinion which is ok

But that’s not his value

His value is what a NFL team is willing to pay. It’s a lot more than what you think.

The Browns gave up 3 1st round picks and $230M over 5 years for Deshaun Watson. That wasn't his value, but it was what desperate people with more money than sense decided to do. The majority of fans and commentators are criticising the Bengals for this move, and rightly so. Even if someone thinks he's worth 600 points of Draft chart points, (and most don't), to give up 1300 points is idiotic. It's the Bengals. (Shrugs).

 

[GemCity]

The Bengals management makes me really appreciate John Schneider.

I'd take any of the front offices in our division, including Arizona over the nightmare in Cincinnati

This.

#10 pick is too high imo…Cincy trying to appeal to their fans..

The Browns gave up 3 1st round picks and $230M over 5 years for Deshaun Watson. That wasn't his value, but it was what desperate people with more money than sense decided to do. The majority of fans and commentators are criticising the Bengals for this move, and rightly so. Even if someone thinks he's worth 600 points of Draft chart points, (and most don't), to give up 1300 points is idiotic. It's the Bengals. (Shrugs).

Agreed. Cincy management has been horrible for the past 2-3 decades. I think they’re either A: doing normal Bengals shit or B: are thinking they’re within some type of ‘window’ with Joey B, Chase, Higgins.

With the way they’ve been drafting, perhaps this will end up being a good move for them. But, I’d never want to see a GM like JS do something like this. Not for Lawrence, not for Garrett…not for Crosby (not like those other guys would only net one pick ofc).

We’ve been on fire draft wise. Cincy on the other hand, straight garbage.

If they were thinking option B above, I kind of get it.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I am actually kind of liking this deal for Cincy. Cincy needs help now while Burrow, Chase and Higgins are still in their prime. Not sure what the #10 pick was going to give them this year. Slaw is playing 2 years on 0 guaranteed money. It may not work out but they are trying to improve that Dline adding DLaw, Mafe and Johnathan Allen. Allen is past his prime but still decent. Should open up things for Mafe and Stewart. I don’t think it’s as horrible as most

 

[Dallashawksfan]

The Browns gave up 3 1st round picks and $230M over 5 years for Deshaun Watson. That wasn't his value, but it was what desperate people with more money than sense decided to do. The majority of fans and commentators are criticising the Bengals for this move, and rightly so. Even if someone thinks he's worth 600 points of Draft chart points, (and most don't), to give up 1300 points is idiotic. It's the Bengals. (Shrugs).

You have a point if you said he is worth a 2nd but no, you said he is worth a 4th. You are more way off than the Bengals

And yes the Browns made a bad trade but that’s what it costed to get him at the time. They paid the asking price.

It’s incredible fans on message boards think they know more about value than the NFL people who are actually making the trades

The value of the player at the time of the trade is what team paid for. It may go up or down later but that’s his value at that time

 

[onanygivensunday]

You have a point if you said he is worth a 2nd but no, you said he is worth a 4th. You are more way off than the Bengals

And yes the Browns made a bad trade but that’s what it costed to get him at the time. They paid the asking price.

It’s incredible fans on message boards think they know more about value than the NFL people who are actually making the trades

The value of the player at the time of the trade is what team paid for. It may go up or down later but that’s his value at that time

Well, I'm glad that we got THAT straightened out.

 

[CouchLogic]

 

[Wsumatt1982]

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This picture makes me think it’s the 2026 Disney remake of the “Ghostbusters”

 

[flv2]

You have a point if you said he is worth a 2nd but no, you said he is worth a 4th. You are more way off than the Bengals

And yes the Browns made a bad trade but that’s what it costed to get him at the time. They paid the asking price.

It’s incredible fans on message boards think they know more about value than the NFL people who are actually making the trades

The value of the player at the time of the trade is what team paid for. It may go up or down later but that’s his value at that time

...and it was a late 4th!

My valuation is based on what the money the Bengals will pay Lawrence would have got them in free agency. $28-30M gets them a player of similar value and they still have their pick. How much better is Lawrence vs what they could have done?

Trade valuations are extremely subjective. the Seahawks get a 3rd for Metcalf, (who was also paid $30M). The Rams got a 3rd for CB Ramsey a few years back. The Cowboys got a 6th for WR Cooper. The Rams couldn't even get a conditional 7th for Kupp with a $15M contract, and then another team paid Kupp $17.5M as a FA.

Gambling has taught me a lot about risk management. Analysis is cold-blooded. I'm willing to bet either side of a coin flip at +120 and i'm willing to lay bets on either outcome at -120. I'd rather have a 3rd round rookie for 4 years and plenty of leftover FA cash than 2 years of Lawrence. I'm happy with that valuation. The Bengals are making a bad bet. I won't wish them luck.

Slightly off-topic but I wouldn't have given up about 740 Draft chart points for Trent McDuffie, and I certainly wouldn't have signed him to a contract with 2-year rolling guarantees. I thought he was worth around 450 points.

 

[MORGULON]

It’s incredible fans on message boards think they know more about value than the NFL people who are actually making the trades

The value of the player at the time of the trade is what team paid for. It may go up or down later but that’s his value at that time

Yes it's true , we do sit here and second guess front office moves. It's what we do.

For the record , I thought the D Watson deal was insane when it happened. I'm not sure about the bengals latest move although I thought they grossly overpaid for Mafe who was a role player for Seattle. Winning a SB gets those types of players paid

But hey , I don't do this for a living.

 

[Hawkinaz]

It’s being reported that when Lawrence showed up in Cincy for his trade physical he weighed in at 398 lbs. He did pass the physical

 

[SoulfishHawk]

398? Dayum. Dude has his own zip code.

 

[Hawkinaz]

398? Dayum. Dude has his own zip code.

His listed playing weight is 340 lbs. I can totally see a player like him gaining 50 lbs in the offseason. I am guessing he has to work his ass off during the season to keep his weight under control

I am 6ft 4” 255 lbs which is me staying physically active I have had a winter when I stopped working out and not keeping an eye on my diet my weight crept up to 325. I was able to lose the weight just with a diet change and going back to being active

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. Easy to put it on. I can relate.

 

[glenwo2]

No doubt. Easy to put it on. I can relate.

I think just about every guy here can relate.